Paquiao fight was settled up...

[SFW]

Basically there's no proof of anything, and all that's been said is Manny has been suspicious based on timing and unrelated character flaws. Yet went to court against Floyd for accusing him of that exact issue, and easily won. Since there is no evidence to back up any real claim. Welcome to the Age of Spin. Where turning down conditions you never had to agree to, a decade prior no less, condemn you today lol.

Of course any dummy can see the red flags, Manny ain't no Angel he has looked suspect before. Fact remains, no proof has been known to exist that Pacquiao doped. Sadly, people's personal bias can't handle that.

[IKSRTFO]

he was always levels above mat and mat looked not hot at all in his fight before, struggling a lot with that thai guy kiram. i agree mannys history is ultra suspcious (id bet my house he was on a serious ped regiment ), but this fight wasnt imo , it was just one guy whose plain better vs a far more limited guy with a history of quitting

also lucas was much closer to mannys size then most pacs opponents over last several years, that helps with manny doing more damage

Disagree. While he beat up on many bigger guys, he had the most trouble even historically with fighters his size, Bradley and Marquez. Even Floyd isn't that much bigger.

[caldo2025]

Stupid fight, totally settled up/arranged. I bet that as many say because Manny was robbed vs Horn, now with 39, one year later, he buys his possibly his last bout to retire with a "clean" top/good last bout.

In no way Matthysse behavior like that in his career, in all his 5 star bouts vs A class boxers, I never saw he took a knee from a weak blow 2x... throwing slow jabs and straights, rare combinations, few decent moves.... There was a part in that he ducks and stay like 1 or half second to wait Pacman move, he let Pacquiao hit in many times and he wasn't tired...

Who follow Matthysse knows his boxing and this today wasn't him.

Paquiao said in the interview that he plans no next bout or opponent and only wants to rest... A possible retirement closing up?

What the heck are you talking about? Did you not see the Postol fight? He quit in the very same manner and then retired from the sport for a bit. The guy lost the hunger and began fight scared after the Danny Garcia fight. Danny ruined him in that fight and whatever transpired there between those 2 guys, we'll never know, something died in Matthysse.

But to deny Manny credit for an absolute gem of a fight is not fair to him. He looked absolutely fantastic. His combinations were like the old Manny where he had 4 punches coming instead of 1 or 2 like in recent fights. THIS Manny this past weekend would give any 147 pounder a tough night.

[jamamb]

he was always levels above mat and mat looked not hot at all in his fight before, struggling a lot with that thai guy kiram. i agree mannys history is ultra suspcious (id bet my house he was on a serious ped regiment ), but this fight wasnt imo , it was just one guy whose plain better vs a far more limited guy with a history of quitting

also lucas was much closer to mannys size then most pacs opponents over last several years, that helps with manny doing more damage

Disagree. While he beat up on many bigger guys, he had the most trouble even historically with fighters his size, Bradley and Marquez. Even Floyd isn't that much bigger.

and who did he get most of his stoppages against? they really dried up at 147 vs bigger guys then matt. even in the tough fights vs jmm he scored loads of kds and did big damage

[Best Coast]

Stupid fight, totally settled up/arranged. I bet that as many say because Manny was robbed vs Horn, now with 39, one year later, he buys his possibly his last bout to retire with a "clean" top/good last bout.

In no way Matthysse behavior like that in his career, in all his 5 star bouts vs A class boxers, I never saw he took a knee from a weak blow 2x... throwing slow jabs and straights, rare combinations, few decent moves.... There was a part in that he ducks and stay like 1 or half second to wait Pacman move, he let Pacquiao hit in many times and he wasn't tired...

Who follow Matthysse knows his boxing and this today wasn't him.

Paquiao said in the interview that he plans no next bout or opponent and only wants to rest... A possible retirement closing up?

You mean "set up"? No, you just needed to watch the Kiram fight to know your boy had NOTHING left. Thats your fault. Did you see that fight? LMM lost every round until Kiram took a dive.

Great points amigo!! Kiram was a joke and LMM looked terrible against him.

[Taansend]

Stupid fight, totally settled up/arranged. I bet that as many say because Manny was robbed vs Horn, now with 39, one year later, he buys his possibly his last bout to retire with a "clean" top/good last bout.

In no way Matthysse behavior like that in his career, in all his 5 star bouts vs A class boxers, I never saw he took a knee from a weak blow 2x... throwing slow jabs and straights, rare combinations, few decent moves.... There was a part in that he ducks and stay like 1 or half second to wait Pacman move, he let Pacquiao hit in many times and he wasn't tired...

Who follow Matthysse knows his boxing and this today wasn't him.

Paquiao said in the interview that he plans no next bout or opponent and only wants to rest... A possible retirement closing up?

You mean "set up"? No, you just needed to watch the Kiram fight to know your boy had NOTHING left. Thats your fault. Did you see that fight? LMM lost every round until Kiram took a dive.

I was getting excited in that fight thinking Thailand would have its heaviest ever Champion (I think).

[IKSRTFO]

he was always levels above mat and mat looked not hot at all in his fight before, struggling a lot with that thai guy kiram. i agree mannys history is ultra suspcious (id bet my house he was on a serious ped regiment ), but this fight wasnt imo , it was just one guy whose plain better vs a far more limited guy with a history of quitting

also lucas was much closer to mannys size then most pacs opponents over last several years, that helps with manny doing more damage

Disagree. While he beat up on many bigger guys, he had the most trouble even historically with fighters his size, Bradley and Marquez. Even Floyd isn't that much bigger.

and who did he get most of his stoppages against? they really dried up at 147 vs bigger guys then matt. even in the tough fights vs jmm he scored loads of kds and did big damage

Sure, but he struggled more with the speed of the smaller guys. All of his losses have come from guys who are either under 5'6 or started their career below 147.

[hoagylt]

Stupid thread!

Very.

Very,very.

[boxing_rocks]

Let's try to avoid ignoring the elephant in the room, shall we?

Was there any drug testing performed for this fight?

Like an overwhelming majority of fights, no. It really should be mandatory. Either way, Manny at no point would ever need help to beat who he just beat. Maybe a year off, being 100% healthy, and training right is the more likely answer to why that result happened. Are you insinuating he cheated? Based on not taking a test?

[Enlightened-One]

Let's try to avoid ignoring the elephant in the room, shall we?

Was there any drug testing performed for this fight?

Like an overwhelming majority of fights, no. It really should be mandatory. Either way, Manny at no point would ever need help to beat who he just beat. Maybe a year off, being 100% healthy, and training right is the more likely answer to why that result happened. Are you insinuating he cheated? Based on not taking a test?

I always believed that WADA doesn't actually perform any drug testing and all they were responsible for was the formulation of anti-doping rules, regulations and policies that were applied globally by third-party agencies?

Can anyone provide an example of when WADA actually performed the drug testing themselves?

Who actually administered the drug testing for Pacquiao's latest bout, because I don't believe that WADA would have done it themselves?

How reliable is a Tweet from someone that doesn't understand the purpose of WADA in the sport of boxing?

If the WADA code was indeed adhered to, was the drug testing random unnanounced blood based and performed at regular intervals from the start of training through until the day after the bout itself?

How reputable was the agency that administered the drug testing?

If both fighters were only tested once, by an anonymous agency that doesn't have a reputation, then Eric Gomez can indeed dishonestly claim that Pacquiao and Matthysee were tested under the WADA code.

You probably won't get any answers to those questions.

[imaioral]

On a recent allegation posted on a Cuban sports website tells that one of Matisse brothers told that "he was threatened of being killed if not give the win for Paquiao"....

https://noticias.cubitanow.com/polemica ... -pacquiao/

Another news says that recently Paquiao discovered a "heart failure" before the fight... And he fights like a beast? Already knowing that and without any care?

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2018/07 ... ysse-fight

How not to say that is was a set up? Sounds too weird, too many variables favoring a fake win for Pacman...

[jamamb]

i dont know why anyone on pacs side would think they need matt to dive when he looked as poor as he did vs kiram.

mannys just simply another level of fighter

[diddy]

i dont know why anyone on pacs side would think they need matt to dive when he looked as poor as he did vs kiram.

mannys just simply another level of fighter

Because they didnt actually see the Kiram disaster and just looked at the end result - which in itself looked shady as could be.