michael hunter

[jamamb]

the us olympian and former cruiser title challenger moved up to hw, easily and almost effortlessly stopped iago kiladze, who gave kownacki a war and sent kow to the hospital

i think hunter can beat guys like kownacki and gerald washington, szpilka, etc, prob make it into the top 20 if he gets the fights. as an amateur he also stopped andy ruiz. he might have a good chance to beat ruiz as a pro too.

[jamamb]

compared to this

[DrDuke]

i think hunter can beat guys like kownacki and gerald washington, szpilka, etc, prob make it into the top 20 if he gets the fights. as an amateur he also stopped andy ruiz. he might have a good chance to beat ruiz as a pro too.

Probably he can. On the other hand, Kiladze is chinny, so it could have been a pretty easy fight for Hunter because of that. And Kownacki can be too tough among the other guys you mentioned. He is durable, he can be losing to Hunter early and pull out a victory later.

[Cent0089]

He is very skilled. This makes Usyk victory over him more vvaluable, because Usyk dismantles Hunter pretty badly

[ValMar]

He is very skilled. This makes Usyk victory over him more vvaluable, because Usyk dismantles Hunter pretty badly

Usyk toyed with him, I remember that I felt sorry for poor Hunter. Simply, he did not deserve to fight Usyk, they are on the two very different levels. If Hunter can enter the top 20 HW society, it will tell us much more about current HW division than about Hunter.

[funso banjo baby]

they both stopped kiladze.

Kownaki is always going to get busted up...its just the way he fights.

im guessing if Kiladze could choose to fight one of them again...he'd pick Hunter over Kow.

As to how Hunter would do against Kow? id say Adam stops him mid.

[Cent0089]

He is very skilled. This makes Usyk victory over him more vvaluable, because Usyk dismantles Hunter pretty badly

Usyk toyed with him, I remember that I felt sorry for poor Hunter. Simply, he did not deserve to fight Usyk, they are on the two very different levels. If Hunter can enter the top 20 HW society, it will tell us much more about current HW division than about Hunter.

That fight should be stopped in last round, Hunter took punishment which could easily cause permament brain damage :-/

[jamamb]

He is very skilled. This makes Usyk victory over him more vvaluable, because Usyk dismantles Hunter pretty badly

Usyk toyed with him, I remember that I felt sorry for poor Hunter. Simply, he did not deserve to fight Usyk, they are on the two very different levels. If Hunter can enter the top 20 HW society, it will tell us much more about current HW division than about Hunter.

hunter did better then gassiev did vs usyk, and didnt you talk up gassiev as a hw?

and dont you also say usyk will beat aj? i mean, if usyks that great at hw, so what if hunter lost widely to him?

[Cent0089]

He is very skilled. This makes Usyk victory over him more vvaluable, because Usyk dismantles Hunter pretty badly

Usyk toyed with him, I remember that I felt sorry for poor Hunter. Simply, he did not deserve to fight Usyk, they are on the two very different levels. If Hunter can enter the top 20 HW society, it will tell us much more about current HW division than about Hunter.

hunter did better then gassiev did vs usyk, and didnt you talk up gassiev as a hw?

and dont you also say usyk will beat aj? i mean, if usyks that great at hw, so what if hunter lost widely to him?

It is about point of view. Gassiev was outboxer through the fight, but nowhere near stoppage or even hurt. Hunter won some of the first rounds, but was outboxed from 4th round and took some savage beating in last rounds and should be stopped if responsible referee was in the ring

[ValMar]

He is very skilled. This makes Usyk victory over him more vvaluable, because Usyk dismantles Hunter pretty badly

Usyk toyed with him, I remember that I felt sorry for poor Hunter. Simply, he did not deserve to fight Usyk, they are on the two very different levels. If Hunter can enter the top 20 HW society, it will tell us much more about current HW division than about Hunter.

hunter did better then gassiev vs usyk, and didnt you talk up gassiev as a hw?

and dont you also say usyk will beat aj? i mean, if usyks that great at hw, so what if hunter lost widely to him?

Hunter had no power to hurt Usyk, and no skills to outbox him. Gassiev had a lot of power, but not enough skills for Usyk.
Yes, I claim that Usyk is capable to defeat Joshua and Wilder. I claim that fit and healthy Fury (because of his style) would be the most dangerous oponent for Usyk. Speaking about Gassiev (and Briedis, too) at HW, I think both of them would be among the top 10 HWs (competitive with Povetkin, Ortiz, Parker, Whyte, Pulev and Miller).
These are my opinions, and I hope we will know soon if I am right.

[jamamb]

ya so gassiev won 0-1 rounds vs usyk, hunter won 3, if you think gass will be a top 10 hw i dont see why youd be so down on hunter, i think top 20 is realistic for him. btw he made the us olympic team as shw as a teenager, though he actually boxed in the olympics as a cruiser

[ValMar]

ya so gassiev won 0-1 rounds vs usyk, hunter won 3, if you think gass will be a top 10 hw i dont see why youd be so down on hunter, i think top 20 is realistic for him. btw he made the us olympic team as shw as a teenager, though he actually boxed in the olympics as a cruiser

Hunter's chances against Gassiev would be under 1%, it is not questionable for me...........

[dagilechia]

ya so gassiev won 0-1 rounds vs usyk, hunter won 3, if you think gass will be a top 10 hw i dont see why youd be so down on hunter, i think top 20 is realistic for him. btw he made the us olympic team as shw as a teenager, though he actually boxed in the olympics as a cruiser

Hunter's chances against Gassiev would be under 1%, it is not questionable for me...........

Id favour Gassiev but i could easily see Hunter as an top 10 CW ill give him 20-30% chances

[ValMar]

ya so gassiev won 0-1 rounds vs usyk, hunter won 3, if you think gass will be a top 10 hw i dont see why youd be so down on hunter, i think top 20 is realistic for him. btw he made the us olympic team as shw as a teenager, though he actually boxed in the olympics as a cruiser

Hunter's chances against Gassiev would be under 1%, it is not questionable for me...........

Id favour Gassiev but i could easily see Hunter as an top 10 CW ill give him 20-30% chances

Top 10 CW ? Maybe....
Top 20 HW ? I doubt it....
The victory against Gassiev ? Only by DQ...........

[dagilechia]

Hunter's chances against Gassiev would be under 1%, it is not questionable for me...........

Id favour Gassiev but i could easily see Hunter as an top 10 CW ill give him 20-30% chances

Top 10 CW ? Maybe....
Top 20 HW ? I doubt it....
The victory against Gassiev ? Only by DQ...........

Then how you rate Hunters chances vs Lebedev and Dorticos?

[jamamb]

look at the first page of hws on boxrec, after the top 10 or so it drops pretty hard, which 20 hws would defo be too much for hunter to rank ahead?

i mean i can easily see him surpassing a dimitrenko, or adamek, or garrold washington or kownacki type

wouldnt surprise me if he beat a guy like ruiz either, his old amateur stoppage victim

[ValMar]

Id favour Gassiev but i could easily see Hunter as an top 10 CW ill give him 20-30% chances

Top 10 CW ? Maybe....
Top 20 HW ? I doubt it....
The victory against Gassiev ? Only by DQ...........

Then how you rate Hunters chances vs Lebedev and Dorticos?

Is Lebedev active at all ?
Dorticos, definitely.

[ValMar]

look at the first page of hws on boxrec, after the top 10 or so it drops pretty hard, which 20 hws would defo be too much for hunter to rank ahead?

i mean i can easily see him surpassing a dimitrenko, or adamek, or garrold washington or kownacki type

wouldnt surprise me if he beat a guy like ruiz either, his old amateur stoppage victim

OK, you might be right here, but I will repeat : Hunter did not deserve to be on the same ring with Usyk.

[jamamb]

hunter gave usyk his 2nd toughest title fight

[DrDuke]

Talking about Usyk-Hunter fight, I believe, Hunter was able to trouble Usyk just because Usyk most likely didn't take that fight too serious. That obviously was a mismatch. So, I won't give too much credit to Hunter for that performance.

[Mexi-Box]

hunter gave usyk his 2nd toughest title fight

Gassiev would kill Hunter in the ring. It's no contest. Hunter is definitely a lot more skilled than people were giving him credit, and he's a lot bigger than people think. He's another HW that drains down to CW.

Gassiev can move up to HW and beat a lot of top guys. He's extremely skilled and durable. Usyk is just on another level to anything he'll see at CW or HW.

Remember, Usyk easily cleans out HW. That performance against Gassiev will be repeated against all the top 5 guys at HW.

[ValMar]

hunter gave usyk his 2nd toughest title fight

Gassiev would kill Hunter in the ring. It's no contest. Hunter is definitely a lot more skilled than people were giving him credit, and he's a lot bigger than people think. He's another HW that drains down to CW.

Gassiev can move up to HW and beat a lot of top guys. He's extremely skilled and durable. Usyk is just on another level to anything he'll see at CW or HW.

Remember, Usyk easily cleans out HW. That performance against Gassiev will be repeated against all the top 5 guys at HW.

Mexi-Box, I agree with you 90 %, but I feel that Usyk will not be able to beat Tyson Fury.

[Mexi-Box]

hunter gave usyk his 2nd toughest title fight

Gassiev would kill Hunter in the ring. It's no contest. Hunter is definitely a lot more skilled than people were giving him credit, and he's a lot bigger than people think. He's another HW that drains down to CW.

Gassiev can move up to HW and beat a lot of top guys. He's extremely skilled and durable. Usyk is just on another level to anything he'll see at CW or HW.

Remember, Usyk easily cleans out HW. That performance against Gassiev will be repeated against all the top 5 guys at HW.

Mexi-Box, I agree with you 90 %, but I feel that Usyk will not be able to beat Tyson Fury.

I was thinking about it. I agreed at first, but I started thinking about it.

I think he would beat Fury. Fury doesn't have much in the way of power. He's a lot slower and less athletic than Usyk and can struggle against smaller fighters (Cunningham fight). Fury will have to try and outbox a master boxer that is faster and more athletic.

I don't think Fury can do it. I'd say the Cunningham fight is a great indicator.

[ValMar]

Gassiev would kill Hunter in the ring. It's no contest. Hunter is definitely a lot more skilled than people were giving him credit, and he's a lot bigger than people think. He's another HW that drains down to CW.

Gassiev can move up to HW and beat a lot of top guys. He's extremely skilled and durable. Usyk is just on another level to anything he'll see at CW or HW.

Remember, Usyk easily cleans out HW. That performance against Gassiev will be repeated against all the top 5 guys at HW.

Mexi-Box, I agree with you 90 %, but I feel that Usyk will not be able to beat Tyson Fury.

I was thinking about it. I agreed at first, but I started thinking about it.

I think he would beat Fury. Fury doesn't have much in the way of power. He's a lot slower and less athletic than Usyk and can struggle against smaller fighters (Cunningham fight). Fury will have to try and outbox a master boxer that is faster and more athletic.

I don't think Fury can do it. I'd say the Cunningham fight is a great indicator.

The height, the reach, the skillset - this would be very difficult to beat Fury (and he is the only HW who would be the favourite against Usyk, this is my opinion).

[jamamb]

and now hunter goes over to the uk, as underdog, and beats hyped unbeaten favourite martin bakole illunga. hunter outclassed and then stopped the 6'6 252 bakole

dont sleep on this guy, at hw or cw

he was dominant on the us am scene, an olympian, and usyks 2nd toughest fight for a reason