Tyson Fury is trying to cash out against Wilder

[apollo creed]

I mean Fury is unfit and out of shape and he'd probably get stopped by Wilder if they fight.

[jezzamundo]

I mean Fury is unfit and out of shape and he'd probably get stopped by Wilder if they fight.

He's overweight, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's unfit - Fury has shown good stamina before while looking flabby.

[Mexi-Box]

Fury schooled Hammer while looking ridiculously out of shape. Even a fat Fury can school Wilder.

[candyslim]

I think the timing of it stinks. Anybody think Sefer Seferi and a totally fukced Francesco Pianeta are adequate preparation for Deontay Wilder after three years out the ring, never mind three years of partying, abusing his body with booze, drugs and unhealthy food?.

Tyson is doing really well in his weight loss programme, and looking good in the gym but that's a world away from facing the hardest punching fighter in boxing.

Having said that it's probably catch 22 because if Tyson has a further two fights, beats good opposition and proves he's 90+% back to what he once was, he'll almost certainly find himself declared 'irrelevant in the division' and added to the list of opponents that Wilder wouldn't fight even for several times his biggest payday to date.

Thank the Lord we have a proper champion in AJ because Wilder is a tnuc

[KiwiRider]

At 29, I find it a little improbable for a HW to cash out.
If he wanted to cash out, why has he put in so much effort dropping all the weight? It isn't easy to do.
As for preparation, you don't lose the ring IQ that Tyson carries, hr is a smart fighter, no matter who he has fought recently.

[candyslim]

No it isn't, no you don't, yes it is.

You'd want to give yourself every chance though wouldn't you? Like stepping up the quality of your opponent in increments.

I keep remembering him lying on the canvas against itty-bitty Steve Cunningham. Then I think of that Wilder right hand against a rusty Tyson riding the crest of the wave of his own rhetoric, and I shudder.

[apollo creed]

I think the timing of it stinks. Anybody think Sefer Seferi and a totally fukced Francesco Pianeta are adequate preparation for Deontay Wilder after three years out the ring, never mind three years of partying, abusing his body with booze, drugs and unhealthy food?.

Tyson is doing really well in his weight loss programme, and looking good in the gym but that's a world away from facing the hardest punching fighter in boxing.

Having said that it's probably catch 22 because if Tyson has a further two fights, beats good opposition and proves he's 90+% back to what he once was, he'll almost certainly find himself declared 'irrelevant in the division' and added to the list of opponents that Wilder wouldn't fight even for several times his biggest payday to date.

Thank the Lord we have a proper champion in AJ because Wilder is a tnuc

IMO Fury is a winnable valuable scalp for Wilder. At the end of the day Fury is the " hw lineal champion". I 'd liked to see Fury facing top contenders like Pulev, Parker, Whyte and Miller to be in that tip-top fighting shape and see how much gas he has left in his tank before facing guys like Wilder and AJ. This is nothing but a money grab from Fury knowing he's still undefeated and "lineal".

[adislav123]

If it happens it will be the first & last really big moneyfight in wilder's career. If he retires (why should he, the opposition he faced he can go on fighting until he's 40+, but his belt will be gone and nobody will care)it will be his cashout. fury will unify against aj and defend 10 times until he retires as the best ever with 35.

[ewenhay]

What are people bothered about?

That Fury is looking at a title shot in his third fight back? A few days ago he was getting a hard time for taking easy fights whilst telling everyone he was after Wilder and Joshua. After being accused of talking the talk he's now planning to walk the walk.

Are people bothered that he's getting a title shot so soon? He's the ex champion. Vitali Klitschko got a title shot straight away after his period out of the sport.

That Wilder is taking on Fury? He gets plenty of criticism for easy defences. Taking on an ex champion is a potentially dangerous defence. What's the problem?

This is an excellent fight. Why are people complaining?

[keirw]

I think they see it as a calculated risk. If Fury wins he is in line for the Wembley date vs Joshua and can realistically demand 40-50%.

If he loses he already has a ready made excuse and can go back to fighting scrubs for a year whilst waiting for another opportunity (which is what he was planning to do anyway).

[vidal]

Why would he try to cash out against Wilder......... after 2 or 3 more fights he could get a much bigger pay day against Joshua.

My guess is, he doesn't fear Wilder. I'm not sure why he would.

[ewenhay]

Why would he try to cash out against Wilder......... after 2 or 3 more fights he could get a much bigger pay day against Joshua.

My guess is, he doesn't fear Wilder. I'm not sure why he would.

It's not all about Joshua though. Wilder and Fury could have a great fight then have a rematch that's even bigger making lots of money in the process. All roads don't lead to bending over and taking what you're offered by Hearn to fight Joshua.

Wilder v Fury is potentially a game changer at the top of the division. When the dust settles Joshua and Hearn may need the fight with the winner just as much as the other way round.

[vidal]

Why would he try to cash out against Wilder......... after 2 or 3 more fights he could get a much bigger pay day against Joshua.

My guess is, he doesn't fear Wilder. I'm not sure why he would.

It's not all about Joshua though. Wilder and Fury could have a great fight then have a rematch that's even bigger making lots of money in the process. All roads don't lead to bending over and taking what you're offered by Hearn to fight Joshua.

Wilder v Fury is potentially a game changer at the top of the division. When the dust settles Joshua and Hearn may need the fight with the winner just as much as the other way round.

The OP suggests Fury will take the money and run....... my contention is that, if that's his intention, a fight against Joshua would be more lucrative.

I actually agree, and I think he thinks he can beat Wilder and make an all British unification fight at H/W which would be huge.

[ewenhay]

Why would he try to cash out against Wilder......... after 2 or 3 more fights he could get a much bigger pay day against Joshua.

My guess is, he doesn't fear Wilder. I'm not sure why he would.

It's not all about Joshua though. Wilder and Fury could have a great fight then have a rematch that's even bigger making lots of money in the process. All roads don't lead to bending over and taking what you're offered by Hearn to fight Joshua.

Wilder v Fury is potentially a game changer at the top of the division. When the dust settles Joshua and Hearn may need the fight with the winner just as much as the other way round.

The OP suggests Fury will take the money and run....... my contention is that, if that's his intention, a fight against Joshua would be more lucrative.

I actually agree, and I think he thinks he can beat Wilder and make an all British unification fight at H/W which would be huge.

Aye if he beats Wilder then he can gate crash the party

[apollo creed]

Fury is not going to beat Wilder. After years of alcohol, parties, bad food and coke his body is damaged. You ain't gonna be prepared to beat the biggest puncher in your division by having two poor tune ups vs Saferi and Pianeta. If Fury was really serious he'd take some top contenders first for another year like Pulev, Whyte and Miller then go for Wilder. But this is nothing but a money grab due of his undefeated status.

[ewenhay]

Fury is not going to beat Wilder. After years of alcohol, parties, bad food and coke his body is damaged. You ain't gonna be prepared to beat the biggest puncher in your division by having two poor tune ups vs Saferi and Pianeta. If Fury was really serious he'd take some top contenders first for another year like Pulev, Whyte and Miller then go for Wilder. But this is nothing but a money grab due of his undefeated status.

Just because it's not the way you think he should do it doesn't make it the wrong thing to do.

I think both fighters should get some credit if this fight gets made.

[candyslim]

What are people bothered about?

That Fury is looking at a title shot in his third fight back? A few days ago he was getting a hard time for taking easy fights whilst telling everyone he was after Wilder and Joshua. After being accused of talking the talk he's now planning to walk the walk.

Are people bothered that he's getting a title shot so soon? He's the ex champion. Vitali Klitschko got a title shot straight away after his period out of the sport.

That Wilder is taking on Fury? He gets plenty of criticism for easy defences. Taking on an ex champion is a potentially dangerous defence. What's the problem?

This is an excellent fight. Why are people complaining?

You sound like a rotten chef: "Last week you were bitching about the chicken being black and charred to cinders. This week you're compaining about a bit of blood and how it's still frozen in the middle. Some people are just never happy".

I tell why I'm not happy. I'm not happy because Wilder v Fury has the potential to be a great fight provided both fighters are in good condition. I think Fury probably doesn't realize because of his ego but he is setting himself up to be a sacrificial lamb. Wilder will be crowing about defeating the linneal champion like it's a great achievement when all is done is take another easy option as per usual.

Do us all a favour big man and up your level of competition and prove you've still got it. Then we can see how interested Wilder is in fighting you if and when you've shown you are still formidable.

Not very I'd wager.

[apollo creed]

Fury is not going to beat Wilder. After years of alcohol, parties, bad food and coke his body is damaged. You ain't gonna be prepared to beat the biggest puncher in your division by having two poor tune ups vs Saferi and Pianeta. If Fury was really serious he'd take some top contenders first for another year like Pulev, Whyte and Miller then go for Wilder. But this is nothing but a money grab due of his undefeated status.

Just because it's not the way you think he should do it doesn't make it the wrong thing to do.

I think both fighters should get some credit if this fight gets made.

Props to both. My only concern is it would not be competitive.

[funso banjo baby]

Fury is the linear champ.

like him or loathe him.

if he wants to defend against Wilder....that's ok

[victor-romeo]

I think Fury wins if fight is in Nov or Dec even if he is not in top form..

[ewenhay]

What are people bothered about?

That Fury is looking at a title shot in his third fight back? A few days ago he was getting a hard time for taking easy fights whilst telling everyone he was after Wilder and Joshua. After being accused of talking the talk he's now planning to walk the walk.

Are people bothered that he's getting a title shot so soon? He's the ex champion. Vitali Klitschko got a title shot straight away after his period out of the sport.

That Wilder is taking on Fury? He gets plenty of criticism for easy defences. Taking on an ex champion is a potentially dangerous defence. What's the problem?

This is an excellent fight. Why are people complaining?

You sound like a rotten chef: "Last week you were bitching about the chicken being black and charred to cinders. This week you're compaining about a bit of blood and how it's still frozen in the middle. Some people are just never happy".

I tell why I'm not happy. I'm not happy because Wilder v Fury has the potential to be a great fight provided both fighters are in good condition. I think Fury probably doesn't realize because of his ego but he is setting himself up to be a sacrificial lamb. Wilder will be crowing about defeating the linneal champion like it's a great achievement when all is done is take another easy option as per usual.

Do us all a favour big man and up your level of competition and prove you've still got it. Then we can see how interested Wilder is in fighting you if and when you've shown you are still formidable.

Not very I'd wager.

Yeah but Fury fights Wilder when he thinks he's ready not when he ticks the preparation boxes of any of us who don't know what condition and frame of mind he's in.

It's very rare to have all conditions perfect for a fight. I'd rather they fight now while they're both quite young than watch them postulate for years like Pacquiao and Mayweather then fight when it's too late (or not at all)

[candyslim]

I get that but how is he going to know if he's ready, when his test is Francesco bloody Pianoshifter. This bloke got KTFOed by a not quite so knackered Kevin "Kingpin"Johnson, who as I recall was not exactly a murderous puncher in his prime.

And don't give me that about a fighter knowing his own body. David Haye thought he was in superb physical condition until he found he couldn't land a glove on Tony Bellew.

I'm not against this fight, quite the opposite, but hold-fire Tyson until you have shown you have a good chance of beating this delusional braggart, is all I'm saying.

[Thomastearns]

Tyson Fury's attempt at a quick cash grab against Wilder could be easy money if he avoids getting knocked out and dances (albeit ungainly) to a 12 rounds points decision. If anyone can, he can.

The only problem is that I doubt whether anything will be confirmed until Wilder comes over next month to work on the Joshua/ Povetkin fight. Fury's already stated he's looking forward to sitting down with Deontay and working things out.

Perhaps it could be televised, on second thoughts perhaps not.

[ewenhay]

Everyone seems to have ruled out the possibility of Fury stopping Wilder?

[lillywhite14]

Fury can stop Wilder imo.

Fury’s biggest problem, including the fact he’s abused his body and had a long lay off, is that Peter isn’t with him no longer. He’s current trainer is basically a fitness trainer it seems.