Parker should retire

[Enlightened-One]

... give him an opportunity to practice against some B level fighters with his new team.

I've not been following developments relating to Joseph Parker since the weekend, so I'm curious to know why you think he's with a new team? Has he dropped all the members of his old entourage?

[joshj909]

... give him an opportunity to practice against some B level fighters with his new team.

I've not been following developments relating to Joseph Parker since the weekend, so I'm curious to know why you think he's with a new team? Has he dropped all the members of his old entourage?

Apologies for the confusion, i was referring to my suggestion earlier in that post, that he should get a new team then rebuild with those fights. He currently has no new team (i also don't think he's going to change teams anytime soon even though he should).

[Enlightened-One]

... give him an opportunity to practice against some B level fighters with his new team.

I've not been following developments relating to Joseph Parker since the weekend, so I'm curious to know why you think he's with a new team? Has he dropped all the members of his old entourage?

Apologies for the confusion, i was referring to my suggestion earlier in that post, that he should get a new team then rebuild with those fights. He currently has no new team (i also don't think he's going to change teams anytime soon even though he should).

OK, no worries. Thanks for the clarification.

[candyslim]

At the post fight press conference Joe said he was very happy with his team and would be continuing with them. I don't know if he'd benefit from a new trainer, I certainly don't think it would do him any harm, but even if Joe knew Barry was holding him back, I don't believe he'd have the heart ditch him.

Parker is a true gentleman, he's kind and he's chivalrous. I think that's a big part of his problem. It makes him a lovely human being but it's detrimental to a boxer who wants to be a champion.

At least that's the impression I get as an outsider - obviously I can't claim to really know him.

[ValMar]

At the post fight press conference Joe said he was very happy with his team and would be continuing with them. I don't know if he'd benefit from a new trainer, I certainly don't think it would do him any harm, but even if Joe knew Barry was holding him back, I don't believe he'd have the heart ditch him.

Parker is a true gentleman, he's kind and he's chivalrous. I think that's a big part of his problem. It makes him a lovely human being but it's detrimental to a boxer who wants to be a champion.

At least that's the impression I get as an outsider - obviously I can't claim to really know him.

Candyslim, I can not believe that you think about bolded as a "big part of his problem", His personality is a great advantage, for me.

[candyslim]

And for me too Valmar but is it for him?. Seems to me he needs a bit more dog in him ... like Dillian (or do i mean 'wolf'?)

[ValMar]

And for me too Valmar but is it for him?. Seems to me he needs a bit more dog in him ... like Dillian (or do i mean 'wolf'?)

They (Parker and Whyte) are quite different types of personality. Should I tell that I prefer Parker.
And there are/were so many gentlemen at the top level HW (Lewis, Holyfield, Klitschko brothers, just now - Joshua, Povetkin, Ortiz).
I can accept "wolfs" in boxing, but what about "hyenas" ?

[candyslim]

If I remember correctly, the thing about Hyenas is they are extremely aggressive when they have numerical superiority or they're up against a smaller creature, but when faced with something that can compete with them on an even footing, they retreat very quickly and wait for their prey to display vulnerability or pick a different less fearsome target.

Hyena's in boxing? I don't know who you mean. Do you know who he means, Deontay?

[ValMar]

If I remember correctly, the thing about Hyenas is they are extremely aggressive when they have numerical superiority or they're up against a smaller creature, but when faced with something that can compete with them on an even footing, they retreat very quickly and wait for their prey to display vulnerability or pick a different less fearsome target.

Hyena's in boxing? I don't know who you mean. Do you know who he means, Deontay?

Considering hyenas, you are absolutelly right, but, frankly, I thought about some other fighters.

[Espada]

He's a good talented, skilled boxer. But his heart really didn't seem to be in it against Whyte, he consistently failed to press any advantage, and gave away far too much, and from his engine I have doubts his heart was in his training.

I was routing for Parker, and at first some of the dirtiness and bias for Whyte really annoyed me, but he's obviously going to get a raw deal going to the UK, he should have been ready for that, and if your opponent is getting away with it, at some point you've got to be dirty back. Parker should have been able to win that. I think he's made enough money and lost the desire. Fairplay to Whyte in the end.

All the England team should retire and never touch a football again, as they failed to press against Croatia.?? Same thing or do u think he should be able to fight again and make a living if he wants to.

In the old days boxers used to fight each other 3 or more times, now if u lose or have a bad day at the office people are screaming for them to retire, I don't get it, if there is a fight to sell and people want to pay for it let it happen,

It wasn't the loss but the half assed nature of his performance

See what u mean mate apologies, but it is his fault if he don't get a good fight due to that

[IRLangmaid25]

Joseph Parker is only 26 years old, which is still young for a heavyweight and yes he has lost two at world level only to Anthony Joshua who by common consensus is the number one heavyweight in the division, and to Diliyan Whyte. So for me Parker can still come back, but he does need to make some changes to become the king of the hill in my eyes.

[keirw]

I see no reason why he can't come back.

A fight down under vs Browne should be a no brainer for a comeback.

After that, I'm sure he will be back in the rankings and one or two good wins away from another shot at one of the big boys.

I thought he finished really well against Whyte and could have stopped him if he had put his foot down a round or two earlier.

It is clear to me that he was suffering from the effects of the head clash early in the fight and took a few rounds to get himself back in the fight, by which time Whyte had built up a handy lead.

[Mexi-Box]

I can see a reason why he shouldn't come back. If he keeps his team, he's never going to be a top-level guy. He's too lax in that ring, and as I said, he comes in out of shape for a lot of his fights.

Fire everyone. He needs to fire everyone and start from square-one. He's talented, but he doesn't have the mindset of a world champion.

Needs a team behind him that will give him some fire.

[ewenhay]

I can see a reason why he shouldn't come back. If he keeps his team, he's never going to be a top-level guy. He's too lax in that ring, and as I said, he comes in out of shape for a lot of his fights.

Fire everyone. He needs to fire everyone and start from square-one. He's talented, but he doesn't have the mindset of a world champion.

Needs a team behind him that will give him some fire.

There's absolutely no reason for him to retire unless he wants to. He's 26 and he's lost a couple of fights. He can come again.

Should George Groves have quit after the Froch or Jack defeats? Should Frank Bruno given up after Witherspoon or Tyson?

A couple of defeats isn't the end of the world if you're willing to take on the top guys. In fact when the best fight the best you expect some defeats. I'd rather that than watch fighters cherry pick opponents their entire career.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I can see a reason why he shouldn't come back. If he keeps his team, he's never going to be a top-level guy. He's too lax in that ring, and as I said, he comes in out of shape for a lot of his fights.

Fire everyone. He needs to fire everyone and start from square-one. He's talented, but he doesn't have the mindset of a world champion.

Needs a team behind him that will give him some fire.

There's absolutely no reason for him to retire unless he wants to. He's 26 and he's lost a couple of fights. He can come again.

Should George Groves have quit after the Froch or Jack defeats? Should Frank Bruno given up after Witherspoon or Tyson?

A couple of defeats isn't the end of the world if you're willing to take on the top guys. In fact when the best fight the best you expect some defeats. I'd rather that than watch fighters cherry pick opponents their entire career.

Like Higgins said, Wlad had 3 losses, 2 recent ones before he had his 10 year long reign, It's never the end..

A much more recent example is Tevin Farmer. After 12 fights, at the age of 22, he was (7-4-1, 1 KO), last loss was to a then undefeated and rising contender Jose Pedraza (10-0), he also lost to Kamil Laszczyk (7-0), who I believe we saw on the AJ-Martin card, still undefeated. Farmer is now (26-4-1, 5 KOs).. Unbeaten in 6 years. 20 fights.

[ewenhay]

I can see a reason why he shouldn't come back. If he keeps his team, he's never going to be a top-level guy. He's too lax in that ring, and as I said, he comes in out of shape for a lot of his fights.

Fire everyone. He needs to fire everyone and start from square-one. He's talented, but he doesn't have the mindset of a world champion.

Needs a team behind him that will give him some fire.

There's absolutely no reason for him to retire unless he wants to. He's 26 and he's lost a couple of fights. He can come again.

Should George Groves have quit after the Froch or Jack defeats? Should Frank Bruno given up after Witherspoon or Tyson?

A couple of defeats isn't the end of the world if you're willing to take on the top guys. In fact when the best fight the best you expect some defeats. I'd rather that than watch fighters cherry pick opponents their entire career.

Like Higgins said, Wlad had 3 losses, 2 recent ones before he had his 10 year long reign, It's never the end..

A much more recent example is Tevin Farmer. After 12 fights, he was (7-4-1, 1 KO), last loss was to a then undefeated and rising contender Jose Pedraza (10-0), he also lost to Kamil Laszczyk (7-0), who I believe we saw on the AJ-Martin card, still undefeated. Farmer is now (26-4-1, 5 KOs).. Unbeaten in 6 years. 20 fights.

Absolutely. People complain when the top guys don't fight each other and when they do and one guy inevitably loses they want him to retire.

Some people have no idea what they want.

I want to see the best fight the best. In the long run if guys are prepared to do that they'll actually make more money and have a better legacy.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Absolutely. People complain when the top guys don't fight each other and when they do and one guy inevitably loses they want him to retire.

Some people have no idea what they want.

I want to see the best fight the best. In the long run if guys are prepared to do that they'll actually make more money and have a better legacy.

It's like you Groves example. He might have been stopped both times, but he did well in both fights. No one would have had a low opinion of him after the Froch fights.

[ewenhay]

Absolutely. People complain when the top guys don't fight each other and when they do and one guy inevitably loses they want him to retire.

Some people have no idea what they want.

I want to see the best fight the best. In the long run if guys are prepared to do that they'll actually make more money and have a better legacy.

It's like you Groves example. He might have been stopped both times, but he did well in both fights. No one would have had a low opinion of him after the Froch fights.

Totally. A lot of people are too interested in percentages, a sides and b sides and home advantage to see the bigger picture.

Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko all lost fights. Many of them came back from those to have more big fights to cement a greater legacy one way or another. Even the ones who didn't will all be remembered.

[Mexi-Box]

I can see a reason why he shouldn't come back. If he keeps his team, he's never going to be a top-level guy. He's too lax in that ring, and as I said, he comes in out of shape for a lot of his fights.

Fire everyone. He needs to fire everyone and start from square-one. He's talented, but he doesn't have the mindset of a world champion.

Needs a team behind him that will give him some fire.

There's absolutely no reason for him to retire unless he wants to. He's 26 and he's lost a couple of fights. He can come again.

Should George Groves have quit after the Froch or Jack defeats? Should Frank Bruno given up after Witherspoon or Tyson?

A couple of defeats isn't the end of the world if you're willing to take on the top guys. In fact when the best fight the best you expect some defeats. I'd rather that than watch fighters cherry pick opponents their entire career.

He needs a new team. A loss or two isn't bad, but he's obviously not working with a good team. Look at his in-ring shape for some of his big fights. He's going to be a high-level gatekeeper if he keeps this up. Not a good place for a guy with talent, and I really don't think there is much he'll do with the current team he's with.

George Groves changed teams after he lost to Jack by the way.

[SteveO]

Joseph Parker should definitely not retire. There is plenty more to come from him.
I think the clash of heads disorientated Parker and it took him a few rounds to get over it. These things happen in boxing sometimes.
I don't think the result should be overturned but maybe a rematch could be a possibility.

[ValMar]

Joseph Parker should definitely not retire. There is plenty more to come from him.
I think the clash of heads disorientated Parker and it took him a few rounds to get over it. These things happen in boxing sometimes.
I don't think the result should be overturned but maybe a rematch could be a possibility.

I rewatched the moment of clash several times, and I really think that Whyte did not do it intentionally. Bad luck for Parker, simply..............

[Enlightened-One]

"Joseph Parker ignores calls for retirement"

Parker doesn’t plan on hanging up the gloves anytime soon despite consecutive losses.

Former heavyweight champion Joseph Parker (24-2, 18 KOs) is only 26-years-old but he’s already started to hear the rumblings to walk away following his second consecutive defeat, the most recent to Dillian Whyte on July 28. “It’s time to call it quits,” some say, but Parker isn’t listening.

“A lot of people say I should give up and retire,” Parker said during a news conference at promoter Duco Events’ offices in his hometown of Auckland, New Zealand, on Tuesday. “I’m only 26 and I’ve only lost twice. It’s not the end of the world. I’m still learning. You look at [former] champions -- I’m not trying to compare -- but they were great fighters, and [Wladimir] Klitschko lost [five] times, Lennox [Lewis] lost [two] times, and were knocked out in their fights. No one told them to retire. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I think everyone should get behind us and support us.”

Parker’s promoter, David Higgins, backs his fighter by saying that he plans to fight for at least another five more years and that unifying the heavyweight division still their ultimate goal. To that end Higgins plans to have Parker back in action before the year is out, but is still assessing the right opponent for the former titleholder.

[IRLangmaid25]

"Joseph Parker ignores calls for retirement"

Parker doesn’t plan on hanging up the gloves anytime soon despite consecutive losses.

Former heavyweight champion Joseph Parker (24-2, 18 KOs) is only 26-years-old but he’s already started to hear the rumblings to walk away following his second consecutive defeat, the most recent to Dillian Whyte on July 28. “It’s time to call it quits,” some say, but Parker isn’t listening.

“A lot of people say I should give up and retire,” Parker said during a news conference at promoter Duco Events’ offices in his hometown of Auckland, New Zealand, on Tuesday. “I’m only 26 and I’ve only lost twice. It’s not the end of the world. I’m still learning. You look at [former] champions -- I’m not trying to compare -- but they were great fighters, and [Wladimir] Klitschko lost [five] times, Lennox [Lewis] lost [two] times, and were knocked out in their fights. No one told them to retire. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I think everyone should get behind us and support us.”

Parker’s promoter, David Higgins, backs his fighter by saying that he plans to fight for at least another five more years and that unifying the heavyweight division still their ultimate goal. To that end Higgins plans to have Parker back in action before the year is out, but is still assessing the right opponent for the former titleholder.

Quite right so, take some time to spend with his family and then come back refreshed, because with what is occurring in the heavyweight division at the moment he would be mad to retire in my eyes.

[ElJefe]

I think the people calling for him to retire are probably (and understandably) concerned by the lack of urgency and aggression that he showed against Whyte. Its one thing to be unable to be effective for technical reasons, i.e. struggling to get close to Joshua, but not working enough when you've got a guy in Whyte who is pretty much always in front of you isn't great to see. Like someone else said though, its very possible that the head clash had longer term effects than just dropping him to the canvas.

He should fight Browne next. If he can't look good against him then he'll have to look at packing it in or dropping a level. You'd fancy him to do a number on Browne though. If he does that then there's no reason why he can't be in plenty of good fights and make plenty of money at that B-level. Not everyone can be a long reigning world champion and there's no shame in being a top 10/15 HW rather than a top 3/5.

[Wales]

Was surprised Parker took the fight so soon after the AJ defeat (less than four months) and more surprised he took it at 7 weeks notice.

Mind you, like his promoter said when sky pay per view is offered you can’t turn it down, it’s like a golden ticket.