Joyce wants Ortiz “maybe not the next fight,” but soon

[joshj909]

Fair play to Joyce for calling him out. I think Joyce will defend his Commonwealth in September, hopefully against someone of improved competition like Simon Kean. Then Joyce v Ortiz i can buy into, it would definitely be a statement of intent. And Ortiz looks like he's trying to get a retirement payday so the money would have to be right and it would also have to look like he wont get another shot at Wilder.

What do people think of this? A classic "Youth" v Experience matchup

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[Enlightened-One]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

[Stuarty]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

There was a serious offer on the table to fight Chisora who admittedly isn't on the level of Ortiz but I think that shows Joyce's intent. I've no reason not to think he's serious about taking on these type of guys sooner rather than later. He's not the youngest and turned over late.

I agree thoug, there's no chance Ortiz would go backwards and fight Joyce unless he's offered funny money....

[candyslim]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

I don't agree with that at all and that seems an unfair slur when there is no evidence. Both Chisora and Miller are on record as having turned Joyce down, I don't blame them for that (Why should Miller risk his rating against someone with so few fights behind him?) but Joyce is aware he needs to move up quickly and he's doing his best. You can only fight those willing to face you.

I think he beats Ortiz now by outlasting him, in fact unless Ortiz can muster the power to stop Joyce (and I doubt that), then I see no other likely outcome.

[danconnollyeire]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

What?

[KiwiRider]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

What?

Isn't Joe "Brown Lurch" Joyce signed with Hayemaker?
If so, they definitely don't have "funny money"

[joshj909]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

What?

Isn't Joe "Brown Lurch" Joyce signed with Hayemaker?
If so, they definitely don't have "funny money"

Seems like there is some sort of deal going on. Eddie revealed he was going to step in on the Whyte/Parker card (apparently he wasn't) and Joyce has said that he will fight on the AJ/Povetkin card in September.

Haye doesn't seem to be making many plans with him so maybe they'll agree to co-promote or something? he would do a lot better with Hearn in my opinion

[Enlightened-One]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

What?

In order for Joe Joyce to appear on Sky Sports, which he does do, his handlers have to work with Eddie Hearn. DAZN has a contractual right to televise Sky's UK boxing events, as well as the American cards covered by Matchroom US.

Therefore, whilst there's an obvious lack of a direct contractual relationship between Joe Joyce and Eddie Hearn, he does promote the Olympian's fights, by proxy of his handlers relationship with Sky and Matchroom.

As Eddie Hearn has previously reiterated time-and-time again, Sky Sports cannot televise any British fight card without his involvement.

So for any British fighter competing on home soil that wants their bouts televised by Sky Sports, then all roads lead through Eddie Hearn.

[danconnollyeire]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

What?

In order for Joe Joyce to appear on Sky Sports, which he does do, his handlers have to work with Eddie Hearn. DAZN has a contractual right to televise Sky's UK boxing events, as well as the American cards covered by Matchroom US.

Therefore, whilst there's an obvious lack of a direct contractual relationship between Joe Joyce and Eddie Hearn, he does promote the Olympian's fights, by proxy of his handlers relationship with Sky and Matchroom.

As Eddie Hearn has previously reiterated time-and-time again, Sky Sports cannot televise any British fight card without his involvement.

So for any British fighter competing on home soil that wants their bouts televised by Sky Sports, then all roads lead through Eddie Hearn.

That's not true. The only time he fights on Sky is when Haye fought Bellew, as Bellew is promoted by Hearn and Haye asked Hearn to allow Joyce to fight on the shows. Joyce and Hearn have no link whatsoever except that

[Mexi-Box]

Oritz should stay far away. He was exhausted after a slow match with Wilder. Not a good look against a hungry lion like Joyce.

[Enlightened-One]

What?

In order for Joe Joyce to appear on Sky Sports, which he does do, his handlers have to work with Eddie Hearn. DAZN has a contractual right to televise Sky's UK boxing events, as well as the American cards covered by Matchroom US.

Therefore, whilst there's an obvious lack of a direct contractual relationship between Joe Joyce and Eddie Hearn, he does promote the Olympian's fights, by proxy of his handlers relationship with Sky and Matchroom.

As Eddie Hearn has previously reiterated time-and-time again, Sky Sports cannot televise any British fight card without his involvement.

So for any British fighter competing on home soil that wants their bouts televised by Sky Sports, then all roads lead through Eddie Hearn.

That's not true. The only time he fights on Sky is when Haye fought Bellew, as Bellew is promoted by Hearn and Haye asked Hearn to allow Joyce to fight on the shows. Joyce and Hearn have no link whatsoever except that

I've accurately described the situation and my words already cater for the points you've raised.

You need to read my post again, because Joe Joyce has appeared on Sky Sports in the past and he will inevitably do so again in the future, especially when he faces a half-decent opponent.

Hearn has recently tried to arrange fights for Joe on some of his cards, but Joyce has been looking for a new trainer.

[lillywhite14]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

He would 100% fight Ortiz. Just as he would 100% fight Chisora too. Why wouldn’t he? He’s been having unofficial pro fights against top class fighters for years now. He’s shared the ring with Uysk for example.
Joyce would give Ortiz plenty to think about imo.

Also, how has he been deeply unimpressive? He’s battered everyone he has fought.

[Pukka Cheese]

Joyce hasnt got time to waste.
Im not sure he would beat Ortiz but i do think that he could fight alot of these top 10 guys and it be competitive and entertaining....

Will be interesting to see if Joyce stays in America and fights on DAZN now that he has linked up with Abel Sanchez. Cant see Sanchez wanting to fly to the UK so Joyce can splat a journeyman in 1-2 rounds on a haymaker card

[BigBenHo]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

He would 100% fight Ortiz. Just as he would 100% fight Chisora too. Why wouldn’t he? He’s been having unofficial pro fights against top class fighters for years now. He’s shared the ring with Uysk for example.
Joyce would give Ortiz plenty to think about imo.

Also, how has he been deeply unimpressive? He’s battered everyone he has fought.

Joyce is a pressure fighter, relentless.

Ortiz's number 1 weakness is his stamina, due to his age and unsophisticated training methods.

Joyce would be favourite in this fight.

Yes he is not pretty to watch, but with his size and his workrate he is difficult to beat.

[adislav123]

Good step up fight for joyce would be david price. No top ranked fighters like ortiz, miller, chisora would fight him (for what?) Kabayel for the european title would make sense if they pay him enough. Or he keeps crushing cans ranked 150+

[ewenhay]

Joe Joyce is misusing someone else's name for self-publicity purposes. He’s not the first boxer to do this and he won’t be the last.

I wouldn’t take his words very seriously at the moment, because the best fighter he’s fought to-date is Lenroy Thomas and his recent performances have been deeply unimpressive.

A PBC/Showtime fighter like Luis Ortiz, who is on the cusp of receiving a rematch against Deontay Wilder, quite rightfully, won’t have any interest whatsoever in facing a DAZN/Matchroom novice like Joe Joyce.

What?

In order for Joe Joyce to appear on Sky Sports, which he does do, his handlers have to work with Eddie Hearn. DAZN has a contractual right to televise Sky's UK boxing events, as well as the American cards covered by Matchroom US.

Therefore, whilst there's an obvious lack of a direct contractual relationship between Joe Joyce and Eddie Hearn, he does promote the Olympian's fights, by proxy of his handlers relationship with Sky and Matchroom.

As Eddie Hearn has previously reiterated time-and-time again, Sky Sports cannot televise any British fight card without his involvement.

So for any British fighter competing on home soil that wants their bouts televised by Sky Sports, then all roads lead through Eddie Hearn.

He's a Hayemaker fighter. He appears on different channels.

Stop trying to twist things rather than admit you were wrong.

[danconnollyeire]

What?

In order for Joe Joyce to appear on Sky Sports, which he does do, his handlers have to work with Eddie Hearn. DAZN has a contractual right to televise Sky's UK boxing events, as well as the American cards covered by Matchroom US.

Therefore, whilst there's an obvious lack of a direct contractual relationship between Joe Joyce and Eddie Hearn, he does promote the Olympian's fights, by proxy of his handlers relationship with Sky and Matchroom.

As Eddie Hearn has previously reiterated time-and-time again, Sky Sports cannot televise any British fight card without his involvement.

So for any British fighter competing on home soil that wants their bouts televised by Sky Sports, then all roads lead through Eddie Hearn.

He's a Hayemaker fighter. He appears on different channels.

Stop trying to twist things rather than admit you were wrong.

Yep. If Hearn wanted to sign him he would. It's complete an utter non-fact BS from the unenlightened one

[Enlightened-One]

In order for Joe Joyce to appear on Sky Sports, which he does do, his handlers have to work with Eddie Hearn. DAZN has a contractual right to televise Sky's UK boxing events, as well as the American cards covered by Matchroom US.

Therefore, whilst there's an obvious lack of a direct contractual relationship between Joe Joyce and Eddie Hearn, he does promote the Olympian's fights, by proxy of his handlers relationship with Sky and Matchroom.

As Eddie Hearn has previously reiterated time-and-time again, Sky Sports cannot televise any British fight card without his involvement.

So for any British fighter competing on home soil that wants their bouts televised by Sky Sports, then all roads lead through Eddie Hearn.

He's a Hayemaker fighter. He appears on different channels.

Stop trying to twist things rather than admit you were wrong.

Yep. If Hearn wanted to sign him he would. It's complete an utter non-fact BS from the unenlightened one

Can you please provide a breakdown of each sentence I've written in this post of mine that you quoted above and point out any claims I've made that are factually inaccurate?

If Joe Joyce predominantly fought on BT/Box-Nation, then he his handlers would have to go through Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn, even though the Olympic silver medallist doesn’t have a direct contractual relationship with Queensberry Promotions. The same concept applies with Sky Sports and Eddie Hearn.

[ewenhay]

He's a Hayemaker fighter. He appears on different channels.

Stop trying to twist things rather than admit you were wrong.

Yep. If Hearn wanted to sign him he would. It's complete an utter non-fact BS from the unenlightened one

Can you please provide a breakdown of each sentence I've written in this post of mine that you quoted above and point out any claims I've made that are factually inaccurate?

If Joe Joyce predominantly fought on BT/Box-Nation, then he his handlers would have to go through Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn, even though the Olympic silver medallist doesn’t have a direct contractual relationship with Queensberry Promotions. The same concept applies with Sky Sports and Eddie Hearn.

He doesn't predominantly fight on Sky though. He is with Hayemaker.

Saying he has no direct contractual relationship is the same as saying he has no contractual relationship. It's just spin on your part

[danconnollyeire]

He's a Hayemaker fighter. He appears on different channels.

Stop trying to twist things rather than admit you were wrong.

Yep. If Hearn wanted to sign him he would. It's complete an utter non-fact BS from the unenlightened one

Can you please provide a breakdown of each sentence I've written in this post of mine that you quoted above and point out any claims I've made that are factually inaccurate?

If Joe Joyce predominantly fought on BT/Box-Nation, then he his handlers would have to go through Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn, even though the Olympic silver medallist doesn’t have a direct contractual relationship with Queensberry Promotions. The same concept applies with Sky Sports and Eddie Hearn.

He predominantly fights on Channel Dave, the primary channel for Haye promotions. Again, he's only fought on Sky when Haye fought against Sky/Hearn fighter Bellew and Haye demanded that Joyce was on the bill as part of the agreement. Again, complete non-fact

[Enlightened-One]

Yep. If Hearn wanted to sign him he would. It's complete an utter non-fact BS from the unenlightened one

Can you please provide a breakdown of each sentence I've written in this post of mine that you quoted above and point out any claims I've made that are factually inaccurate?

If Joe Joyce predominantly fought on BT/Box-Nation, then he his handlers would have to go through Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn, even though the Olympic silver medallist doesn’t have a direct contractual relationship with Queensberry Promotions. The same concept applies with Sky Sports and Eddie Hearn.

He predominantly fights on Channel Dave, the primary channel for Haye promotions. Again, he's only fought on Sky when Haye fought against Sky/Hearn fighter Bellew and Haye demanded that Joyce was on the bill as part of the agreement. Again, complete non-fact

Joe Joyce captured the Commonwealth title when he defeated Lenroy Thomas, which was the biggest fight of his five bout pro career, whilst appearing on Sky Sports.

The Olympic silver medallist was scheduled to face Nick Webb on the Parker-Whyte undercard, as televised by Sky Sports, but he couldn’t, because of short notice and due to the fact he didn’t have a trainer at the time.

For sure, Eddie Hearn isn’t Joe Joyce’s promoter, but I never claimed he was. However, when he appears on Sky Sports, which he will inevitably do so in the very near future, his bouts will actually be handled by Matchroom, hence the reason why I previously used the phrase "by proxy".

And as I’ve also stated previously, the same principle applies if Joyce competes on BT/Box-Nation, because Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn will be managing the overall promotion in that scenario, not David Haye.

The reason why Joyce’s biggest bouts will very likely be covered by Sky Sports, is because those will provide him with the biggest paydays and David Haye seems to have established a solid relationship with Eddie Hearn and Sky Sports.

There was a reason why I asked you to challenge each sentence in my post you quoted...