Parker could not KO Razvan Cojanu lol

[DrDuke]

I have never thought too much of Paker before Joshua fight. He was a currupt paper champion in my eyes. I thought, AJ would knock him out. I was surprised with his performance in Joshua fight. But after Whyte fight I began to think, that Joshua was just too cautious to allow Parker look quite good, eventually letting Parker even to outthrow him. Probably Parker got overrated by many including myself after Joshua fight. He's decent boxer, but he has shown nothing special at all for the current moment.

[jamamb]

i guess don dennis is better then parker

and paula mtela put down cojanu hard, hes more dangerous then parker too

and chisora stopped scott but ortiz couldnt, chis is more dangerous then ortiz

[SenorPipino]

Parker really doesn't punch that hard.

Ortiz does.

But don't judge talent based strictly on punching power. The boxer with superior skills usually wins the fight. Not the bigger puncher.

[BigBenHo]

We now know Parkers level. Its top 20 at world level.

His main weakness is his lack of power, which to be fair to him is caused by his elbow and hand problems. He punched harder at the beginning of his career than he can now.

[BigBenHo]

Parker really doesn't punch that hard.

Ortiz does.

But don't judge talent based strictly on punching power. The boxer with superior skills usually wins the fight. Not the bigger puncher.

Ortiz is proven top 5

Parker is proven top 20

Therefore there is a big difference between the two in terms of skill set and power.

[SenorPipino]

Parker really doesn't punch that hard.

Ortiz does.

But don't judge talent based strictly on punching power. The boxer with superior skills usually wins the fight. Not the bigger puncher.

Ortiz is proven top 5

Parker is proven top 20

Therefore there is a big difference between the two in terms of skill set and power.

I'd rate Parker higher. Definitely top 10.

His performances are spotty. He appears to have more talent then he shows in many fights.

But there aren't a lot of outstanding heavyweights out there.

[candyslim]

Ortiz wouldn't beat Parker now. He wouldn't knock him out and even if he built a points lead, which is no certainty as Joe is faster, he wouldn't be able to sustain it.

Ortiz would run out of gas then it's Parker all the way. Ortiz is an old man in boxing terms now ... luckily for Wilder, he'd never have beaten him otherwise.

[joshj909]

Parker really doesn't punch that hard.

Ortiz does.

But don't judge talent based strictly on punching power. The boxer with superior skills usually wins the fight. Not the bigger puncher.

Ortiz is proven top 5

Parker is proven top 20

Therefore there is a big difference between the two in terms of skill set and power.

When did Ortiz prove he was top 5?

[ewenhay]

Parker is easily top ten. Who are these 19 heavyweights who should rank higher than him?

[Boxing Prospect]

Worth noting that Parker never really looked like he wanted to go for the KO. Iirc they were training buddies and it showed

[candyslim]

Ortiz wouldn't beat Parker now. He wouldn't knock him out and even if he built a points lead, which is no certainty as Joe is faster, he wouldn't be able to sustain it.

Ortiz would run out of gas then it's Parker all the way. Ortiz is an old man in boxing terms now ... luckily for Wilder, he'd never have beaten him otherwise.

You sound very confident in your predictions, why is that? Do you have like a crystal ball or something that you can look into?

I don't need a Crystal ball. Maybe I do because I've called a few wrong (I'd have cheerfully bet my house on Foreman to beat All for example) but my record is pretty good where I have been confident enough to make a bold statement.

In this case we saw that Ortiz is a very good boxer but once he hurt Wilder and went for broke he didn't have power to finish his man despite Wilder not being that difficult to hit especially when he has had his brain scrambled.

Once he couldn't finish the job he gassed out very quickly and got stopped. He may have lasted better if he hadn't caught Wilder but he is at least 39 and possibly 48.

Parker isn't great but he is a good allrounder with a good chin and decent stamina. Put these together and you can be confident Ortiz can't outlast him, and is unlikely to stop him. Ortiz 's best hope is to build a points lead over the first half of the fight and hope he's done enough to hold the lead over the second half when Parker is outscoring him.

It's not a difficult prediction.

[candyslim]

Ortiz wouldn't beat Parker now. He wouldn't knock him out and even if he built a points lead, which is no certainty as Joe is faster, he wouldn't be able to sustain it.

Ortiz would run out of gas then it's Parker all the way. Ortiz is an old man in boxing terms now ... luckily for Wilder, he'd never have beaten him otherwise.

You sound very confident in your predictions, why is that? Do you have like a crystal ball or something that you can look into?

He is probably some biased UK fan who tries to boost Joshua's resume lol. Probably only two boxers he knows are Joshua and that bum Dilian Whyte :O :O Classic

Oh fantastic. I was beginning to think it has got a bit dull around here with having just mainly intelligent posters after the mods last purge of all the complete pricks.

Welcome mate you seem to be just what we've been lacking.

I don't need to justify myself but I grew up watching boxing at small hall amateur shows, York Hall, Manor Place Baths, and The Royal Albert Hall for the most part, donkeys' years ago. I've seen 'em all come and go.

Don't stop talking shite though, it makes a refreshing change.

[SenorPipino]

Parker really doesn't punch that hard.

Ortiz does.

But don't judge talent based strictly on punching power. The boxer with superior skills usually wins the fight. Not the bigger puncher.

Ortiz is proven top 5

Parker is proven top 20

Therefore there is a big difference between the two in terms of skill set and power.

When did Ortiz prove he was top 5?

He is in my rating.

It's subjective just like yours or anyone elses.

And it's just as valid.

[SenorPipino]

Also Parker lost against Andy Ruiz ! Whyte and Parker are both overrated only because they fought against Joshua

Last time I checked the record book, there was a big "W" next to Parker's name for his bout against Ruiz.

[gilgamesh]

And Joshua fans try to convice us that Parker would beat Ortiz LOL? That Parker is a better name and boxer than King Kong Ortiz?


Did not Parker lose against Andy Ruiz as well?

As a matter of fact. He didn't.

[gilgamesh]

And Joshua fans try to convice us that Parker would beat Ortiz LOL? That Parker is a better name and boxer than King Kong Ortiz?


Did not Parker lose against Andy Ruiz as well?

As a matter of fact. He didn't.

He lost that fight for70 percent boxing fans... We can talk about Canelito having draw against Golovkin too .. We all know who won!

I had Parker winning against Ruiz. 115-113 I think. I thought GGG beat Canelo, yes.

Parker vs Ruiz was basically like a draw to me, and when rounds are even in a fight like that I'm gonna score them in favor of the guy that doesn't look like a fat tub of sh*t who doesn't belong in Professional Sports.

I kinda doubt it'd be 70% of Boxing fans that think Ruiz won that. I know some people think he deserved it, but I'd think the fight was too dull for anybody to really feel too strongly about it one way or the other to be honest.

[candyslim]

What has being or not being a Joshua fan got anything to do with how we rate other heavyweights?

I think Luis Ortiz has been a very good fighter but he is now very old in boxing terms and cannot keep the pace going for 10 or 12 rounds. That's just how it is. I suspect that Povetkin and Pulev are past their best too.

Ortiz may have been better than Parker, but Parker is in his prime physically and is now a bigger challenge for any prospective opponent. It might be different over 6 or 8 rounds but that's not going to be the distance, obviously.

I'm not sure if you were suggesting that Whyte chose Parker over Ortiz as an easier option, then clearly you have no knowledge of the situation with the WBC and the mandatory position going to Breazeale and clearly you don't know Dillian Whyte.

[SenorPipino]

And Joshua fans try to convice us that Parker would beat Ortiz LOL? That Parker is a better name and boxer than King Kong Ortiz?


Did not Parker lose against Andy Ruiz as well?

As a matter of fact. He didn't.

He lost that fight for70 percent boxing fans... We can talk about Canelito having a draw against Golovkin too .. We all know who won!

You know a lot.

But the record books say different. And that's really all that counts.

[candyslim]

He would have had to fight in Sofia for 25% of a sh*t purse. Why would he do that when he could fight Parker in London on PPV?

It's a no-brainer but no doubt our prodigal genius thinks Whyte is scared of big bad Pulev who hasn't fought anyone relevant in years.

[joshj909]

Ortiz is proven top 5

Parker is proven top 20

Therefore there is a big difference between the two in terms of skill set and power.

When did Ortiz prove he was top 5?

He is in my rating.

It's subjective just like yours or anyone elses.

And it's just as valid.

I was more going on about the proof of it. He's around top 5 in mine but he's not proved it at all. He has a win over someone who may be fringe top 10 if they can get the correct win but Jennings hasn't proved that either. His next best performance is in a loss so that only proves he's lower than Wilder. Other wins are much further down the list. Surely you have to beat someone you're competing for the top 5 with to prove you're top 5?

Or is that too subjective aswell?