Joshua vs. Povetkin, a mismatch or not ?

[Ricky]

Povetkin has 2 chances; slim and none. He's washed up... not to mention not that great in his prime anyway.

[Ilya Muromets]

Povetkin has 2 chances; slim and none. He's washed up... not to mention not that great in his prime anyway.

When was the last time he even lost a single round?

[Ricky]

Povetkin has 2 chances; slim and none. He's washed up... not to mention not that great in his prime anyway.

When was the last time he even lost a single round?

In his last fight

[Ilya Muromets]

Povetkin has 2 chances; slim and none. He's washed up... not to mention not that great in his prime anyway.

When was the last time he even lost a single round?

In his last fight

Which round? In round 3 when Price briefly stunned him he knocked down Price.

[Ricky]

When was the last time he even lost a single round?

In his last fight

Which round? In round 3 when Price briefly stunned him he knocked down Price.

He wasn't briefly stunned, he was hurt and had his ass torpeded across the ring and was counted because the ropes held him up. Price won the following round 4.

[Counter-puncher]

It is off topic, but, I have to remind you that there is/was an excellent example of the boxer with an average power and an excellent strength - Andre Ward.

Andre Ward has never been that strong. I wouldn't even consider his style as being reliant on physical strength that much. One of the best examples of a boxer with ATG physical strength is Wladimir Klitschko. The dude has dropped multiple opponents and sent multiple opponents backwards over a meter with glancing looking punches and arm punches. Just take a look at what he did to Povetkin, who was never even dropped previously. That's the prime definition and example of a boxer showcasing the highest level of physical strength.

I agree about Wlad, of course. Ward was very, very strong, this is/was obviously.

of course Ward is strong he muscled Froch around on the inside without any problems.

[ValMar]

Andre Ward has never been that strong. I wouldn't even consider his style as being reliant on physical strength that much. One of the best examples of a boxer with ATG physical strength is Wladimir Klitschko. The dude has dropped multiple opponents and sent multiple opponents backwards over a meter with glancing looking punches and arm punches. Just take a look at what he did to Povetkin, who was never even dropped previously. That's the prime definition and example of a boxer showcasing the highest level of physical strength.

I agree about Wlad, of course. Ward was very, very strong, this is/was obviously.

of course Ward is strong he muscled Froch around on the inside without any problems.

Yes !

[Ilya Muromets]

In his last fight

Which round? In round 3 when Price briefly stunned him he knocked down Price.

He wasn't briefly stunned, he was hurt and had his ass torpeded across the ring and was counted because the ropes held him up. Price won the following round 4.

Povetkin signaled that he was OK as soon as he bounced into the ropes. He didn't appear to be hurt at all. The ref only counted to 4 and then the round ended. Price did not win the next round, round 4. I would say it was a narrow win for Pov., and then early in round 5 he KOd Price.

Price looked better in that fight than he has in years. He trained hard for it. Any word on why his fight last week was suddenly canceled?

[Luis Fernando12]

Neither has Lennox Lewis

False! Lennox Lewis officially beat Vitali Klitschko! Mike Tyson failed to dominate when elite super heavyweights came around that knew how to use their size. Since then, the heavyweight division had always been about super heavyweights and not about irrelevant small heavyweights like Tyson.

Vitali? Who retired even before Stiverne became the champion of the world? You can't call that modern do you?

Yes! Both Kitschko brothers, Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and arguably Lennox Lewis too are all modern type SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS who are athletic and know how to use their size advantages properly.

[Luis Fernando12]

He wasn't briefly stunned, he was hurt and had his ass torpeded across the ring and was counted because the ropes held him up. Price won the following round 4.

Povetkin signaled that he was OK as soon as he bounced into the ropes. He didn't appear to be hurt at all. The ref only counted to 4 and then the round ended. Price did not win the next round, round 4. I would say it was a narrow win for Pov., and then early in round 5 he KOd Price.

Price looked better in that fight than he has in years. He trained hard for it. Any word on why his fight last week was suddenly canceled?

PEDvetkin struggled against d levels boxers like Hammer , Rudenko or even gets hurt by plumber in David Price LOL. Hopeless without peds. Stop hyping him because he gets sparked out versus anthony Joshua. Better prepare your excuses because that will be last thing you have.... but but no meldonium doe XD UK WAYCISM DOE

Anthony Joshua is going to get absolutely destroyed, dismantled and humiliated by Oleksandr Usyk very soon! A brutal, lopsided shutdown and a stoppage.

[Luis Fernando12]

No is correct. If sheer strength equaled effective punching power, power lifters and strongmen would be boxing champions. Actually boxing requires very specialized characteristics to be successful.

Heavyweight division is an exception, unlike any other weight division in boxing. Size and strength matters the most at heavyweight boxing.

You could argue naturally big and strong power lifters / strongmen would've been extremely successful heavyweights if they chose heavyweight boxing initially over their sports. You could also argue that naturally strong and big super heavyweight boxers like Wladimir Klitschko would've also been extremely successful power lifters / strong men had they chose those sports over boxing,

Strength is absolutely equal to power. If you have the strength to accomplish a physical task, then you also have the potential power to also accomplish the same task. If I have the strength to push a 250 pound object 1 inch back in 1 second, I also have the power to punch that same object the same distance within the same time frame.

[Luis Fernando12]

You should just stop replying to me. I haven't the foggiest idea what point you're desperately trying to make and your lack of understanding on very basic things like the difference between strength and power is even more alarming than your lack of understanding of drugs and boxing.

You responded to me first and you're not in a position to tell me what I should or shouldn't be doing.

Strength and power are practically one and the same thing.

Strength = the ability to lift a 225 pound object, 3 feet above the ground in one second.

Power = the ability to move a 225 pound object, 3 feet backwards with a single punch.

If an athlete possesses the necessary strength required to perform the former feat, then they also possess the necessary power required to perform the latter feat.

Strength = the ability to move an object a specific distance within a particular amount of time

Punching power = the ability to move an object after landing a punch, a specific distance within a particular amount of time.

Both punching power and physical strength are based on body mass and speed an athlete possesses. Considering Povetkin at no point was ever as big, never mind bigger than Joshua and was never faster than what he always was. Any talk about drugs improving him in that manner is a myth. Otherwise, we would've seen evidence of him growing much bigger in functional mass and / or speed.

No.

Yes!

[Sequitorian]

Strength and power are practically one and the same thing.

... no ...

[dagilechia]

Povetkin signaled that he was OK as soon as he bounced into the ropes. He didn't appear to be hurt at all. The ref only counted to 4 and then the round ended. Price did not win the next round, round 4. I would say it was a narrow win for Pov., and then early in round 5 he KOd Price.

Price looked better in that fight than he has in years. He trained hard for it. Any word on why his fight last week was suddenly canceled?

PEDvetkin struggled against d levels boxers like Hammer , Rudenko or even gets hurt by plumber in David Price LOL. Hopeless without peds. Stop hyping him because he gets sparked out versus anthony Joshua. Better prepare your excuses because that will be last thing you have.... but but no meldonium doe XD UK WAYCISM DOE

Anthony Joshua is going to get absolutely destroyed, dismantled and humiliated by Oleksandr Usyk very soon! A brutal, lopsided shutdown and a stoppage.

Povetkin is too small and too weak for AJ but Usyk somehow is big and strong enough?

[Luis Fernando12]

PEDvetkin struggled against d levels boxers like Hammer , Rudenko or even gets hurt by plumber in David Price LOL. Hopeless without peds. Stop hyping him because he gets sparked out versus anthony Joshua. Better prepare your excuses because that will be last thing you have.... but but no meldonium doe XD UK WAYCISM DOE

Anthony Joshua is going to get absolutely destroyed, dismantled and humiliated by Oleksandr Usyk very soon! A brutal, lopsided shutdown and a stoppage.

Lol racist boy has no any pride fighter in hw division who has some chance?:D Now you talk about Usyk ? xdd You are hopeless ^^ If Joshua was white you would lick his arse for sure XD

You what? You bought skin color into this, not me.

There are many guys who could beat Joshua in the near future. Including but not only limited to Oleksandr Usyk, Joe Joyce, Vladyslav Sirenko, Kubrat Pulev and etc.

[candyslim]

@ Dagilechia:

That's just what I was thinking. I was considering posting about it but I thought this surely had to be ironic, I mean I know Luis is irritating and obsessive but I never imagined he could make a post like that while being entirely serious ???

What's the punchline?

[Luis Fernando12]

PEDvetkin struggled against d levels boxers like Hammer , Rudenko or even gets hurt by plumber in David Price LOL. Hopeless without peds. Stop hyping him because he gets sparked out versus anthony Joshua. Better prepare your excuses because that will be last thing you have.... but but no meldonium doe XD UK WAYCISM DOE

Anthony Joshua is going to get absolutely destroyed, dismantled and humiliated by Oleksandr Usyk very soon! A brutal, lopsided shutdown and a stoppage.

Povetkin is too small and too weak for AJ but Usyk somehow is big and strong enough?

You forgot to also mention that Povetkin is also too old and has the totally wrong style and isn't anywhere near as specially skilled as Usyk. Whilst Usyk is in his prime, young, fresh, stylistically a nightmare for Joshua and is pretty much more skilled than Joshua and Povetkin combined by astronomical margins. I'd favor Usyk to beat both Povetkin and Joshua on the same night, one after another. Beating Joshua 12-0 and beating Povetkin via a brutal KO!

And for the record, Usyk is significantly bigger in size than the pudgy / chubby little Povetkin.

[Luis Fernando12]

Anthony Joshua is going to get absolutely destroyed, dismantled and humiliated by Oleksandr Usyk very soon! A brutal, lopsided shutdown and a stoppage.

Povetkin is too small and too weak for AJ but Usyk somehow is big and strong enough?

He is just another racist no hoper who watches Precise Presenter or what was name of that prick. European version of LDBC.

Probably mad that Joshua is going to KO another one of his favorite Eastern Europe fighters . XDDDD

Yh, Joshua is going to KO my favorite 6 foot 1, chubby / pudgy and fat blown up light heavyweight whilst being a super heavyweight with a 10 year age advantage. Nothing to be upset about there!

[dagilechia]

So now you say that Usyk got a bigger chance of stopping Joshua than Povetkin? And that Usyks style gives him more chance of stopping Joshua than Povetkins style?

I also thought that your posts were irony but it seems that you really believe what you say

[Luis Fernando12]

Usyk absolutely does have a bigger chance of beating Joshua. No heavyweight in history at the current age of Povetkin, ever beat an opponent at the caliber of Joshua with as many disadvantages that Povetkin will possess against Joshua,

1) Insane size disadvantage.

2) Insane weight disadvantage.

3) Insane height disadvantage

4) Insane reach disadvantage

5) Insane stylistic disadvantage.

6) Insane age disadvantage.

7) Insane physical strength disadvantage.

8) Insane disadvantage in terms of the location of the fight.

These are all the disadvantages Povetkin faces over Joshua. Povetkin holds absolutely 0 advantage over Joshua. Absolutely none! Which is why that bout is an other worldly type of a mismatch. Totally gross and a disgraceful sporting event if that fight does really take place. Even more so when taking into considering that past heavyweight greats like Holyfield, Mike Tyson and Muhammmad Ali at the same age as current Povetkin were losing / getting destroyed / getting humiliated by far inferior opponents than Anthony Joshua like Kevin McBride, Danny Williams, John Ruiz, Leon Spinks, Trevor Berbick, Jimmy Young and etc.

Meanwhile, Usyk holds many advantages over Joshua unlike Povetkin. Such as speed, is equally youthful / fresh / in his prime, more technically skilled, more athletic, has the much better style to beat Joshua and etc.

Povetkin vs Joshua is like a little old mouse (Povetkin) who's half injured and has been in many tough fights before which has resulted in lots of accumulated damage to his body, colliding head first and head on against a much younger and fresher T-Rex (Anthony Joshua). If the size disadvantage wasn't disgraceful enough, then the age and freshness disadvantage makes it insanely more disgraceful.

Whereas Usyk vs Joshua is like a fast big cat (Usyk), such as a sabre tooth tiger who is young, in his prime and hasn't suffered much damage, against an equally fresh and in prime T-Rex (Anthony Joshua).

So Usyk is not only fresher, younger and more in his prime than Povetkin would be against Joshua. But he is also bigger, much faster, much more athletic and astronomically more skilled.

This is why those two fights aren't comparable. It's a false equivalence logical fallacy!

[candyslim]

Anthony Joshua is going to get absolutely destroyed, dismantled and humiliated by Oleksandr Usyk very soon! A brutal, lopsided shutdown and a stoppage.

Povetkin is too small and too weak for AJ but Usyk somehow is big and strong enough?

You forgot to also mention that Povetkin is also too old and has the totally wrong style and isn't anywhere near as specially skilled as Usyk. Whilst Usyk is in his prime, young, fresh, stylistically a nightmare for Joshua and is pretty much more skilled than Joshua and Povetkin combined by astronomical margins. I'd favor Usyk to beat both Povetkin and Joshua on the same night, one after another. Beating Joshua 12-0 and beating Povetkin via a brutal KO!

And for the record, Usyk is significantly bigger in size than the pudgy / chubby little Povetkin.

Ok Povetkin may have made a career campaigning as a heavyweight whereas Usyk is a cruiserweight. I accept that is insignificant and that Usyk is an inch taller than Sasha and enjoys a 3" reach advantage but that's hardly "significantly bigger in size" is it?

I grant you Usyk is exceptionally gifted in terms of defence and boxing skills but now do you think Povetkin has managed to be so successful at heavyweight for so long despite his physical disadvantages?

I accept Usyk is in his prime but the whole thrust of every argument I can recall of yours is not age related or relative skill differences, but physical size and only physical size. Even if we accept Usyk is bigger than Povetkin it's hardly significant is it, and your comment about what Usyk is likely to do to AJ makes a complete mockery of everything you ever said about the travesty of Povetkin and Joshua being permitted to compete in the same weight class.

Your credibility - not that great to start off with, it has to be said - has just taken a swallow dive off a very high cliff in my opinion.

[Luis Fernando12]

Povetkin is too small and too weak for AJ but Usyk somehow is big and strong enough?

You forgot to also mention that Povetkin is also too old and has the totally wrong style and isn't anywhere near as specially skilled as Usyk. Whilst Usyk is in his prime, young, fresh, stylistically a nightmare for Joshua and is pretty much more skilled than Joshua and Povetkin combined by astronomical margins. I'd favor Usyk to beat both Povetkin and Joshua on the same night, one after another. Beating Joshua 12-0 and beating Povetkin via a brutal KO!

And for the record, Usyk is significantly bigger in size than the pudgy / chubby little Povetkin.

Ok Povetkin may have made a career campaigning as a heavyweight whereas Usyk is a cruiserweight. I accept that is insignificant and that Usyk is an inch taller than Sasha and enjoys a 3" reach advantage but that's hardly "significantly bigger in size" is it?

I grant you Usyk is exceptionally gifted in terms of defence and boxing skills but now do you think Povetkin has managed to be so successful at heavyweight for so long despite his physical disadvantages?

I accept Usyk is in his prime but the whole thrust of every argument I can recall of yours is not age related or relative skill differences, but physical size and only physical size. Even if we accept Usyk is bigger than Povetkin it's hardly significant is it, and your comment about what Usyk is likely to do to AJ makes a complete mockery of everything you ever said about the travesty of Povetkin and Joshua being permitted to compete in the same weight class.

Your credibility - not that great to start off with, it has to be said - has just taken a swallow dive off a very high cliff in my opinion.

Not really! I've always made it clear that the Povetkin vs Joshua mismatch isn't JUST due to size alone, but every other factor combined. It's because Joshua has every advantage in the book and Povetkin has absolutely 0 disadvantage. If Povetkin was younger, it wouldn't be as big of a mismatch, because he would have at least one even playing field (age, freshness and being at his peak). But right now, this is a whole world of a mismatch.

Usyk is taller, rangier and seems to have a bigger frame than Povetkin whilst also looking like he doesn't carry as much unnecessary body weight / fat. I may have exaggerated with the word 'significantly bigger'. But Usyk is definitely bigger than Povetkin in size. He is just able to make the cruiser weight division and looking to make history by attempting to be champion at heavyweight and cruiser weight, rather than in just one.

And overall, Usyk is a total exception compared to any other small boxer competing at heavyweight. Size disadvantage doesn't apply to him the same way they apply to much inferior skilled boxers like Povetkin. Usyk is once in a generation type of a boxer who defies conventional rules. Lots of rules have an exception and in this instance, Usyk is an exception to the rule of bigger sized heavyweights being favorites over smaller ones.

[dagilechia]

Before you said that Povetkin is a great skillful fighter but has no chances vs AJ only because hes much smaller now you said that he also got no skills advantage and is stylistically outmached

[candyslim]

So you appear to have finally accepted what so many have tried and failed to tell you that physical advantages are just one of a number of factors which can influence the outcome of a fight. I'm not going to argue with you about whether your size obsession was to the exclusion of all else or not. Posters will have formed their own opinion about that.

I just content myself with the fact that you have finally arrived at what the majority of us hold to be true and I rejoice, but if you revert to that shite about how size is the only thing that matters, I'm going to round up the lynch-mob.

You say Usyk beats Joshua whereas I say despite his skill advantage, he lacks the power to hurt AJ and anyone who cannot make AJ wary of their power is going to struggle to keep him off. I guess what I'm really saying is that Usyk is going to struggle with Joshua's size, strength, power, physicality ... In a word his size - ironic isn't it?

[ValMar]

So you appear to have finally accepted what so many have tried and failed to tell you that physical advantages are just one of a number of factors which can influence the outcome of a fight. I'm not going to argue with you about whether your size obsession was to the exclusion of all else or not. Posters will have formed their own opinion about that.

I just content myself with the fact that you have finally arrived at what the majority of us hold to be true and I rejoice, but if you revert to that shite about how size is the only thing that matters, I'm going to round up the lynch-mob.

You say Usyk beats Joshua whereas I say despite his skill advantage, he lacks the power to hurt AJ and anyone who cannot make AJ wary of their power is going to struggle to keep him off. I guess what I'm really saying is that Usyk is going to struggle with Joshua's size, strength, power, physicality ... In a word his size - ironic isn't it?

He says that only because fight is not made yet. When there will be a real fight. He will start making garbage excuses about Usyk being small and powerless and bla bla bla..

Precise Presenter boy. Another version of LDBC lunatics. Only from Eastern europe

What/who the fukc is LDBC ?