what if bruce lee was a boxer instead of a martial artist?

[Caractacus]

Well,I think we can all agree at least that Carlos Monzon was one of the greatest Middleweight Champions of all time.
See how his fighting skills translated on the big screen compared to Bruce Lee.
( especially looking at the effects of a Left-Hook-slap on a comb-over at 0:56 of this clip)

[Caractacus]

and Marvelous Marvin Hagler.

[HomicideHenry]

I'm sure budget, director and cinematography plays a big part in that caratacus. Lee, virtually from the start, had big budgets to work with and directors with experience in "fight" genres.

[IKSRTFO]

I'm sure budget, director and cinematography plays a big part in that caratacus. Lee, virtually from the start, had big budgets to work with and directors with experience in "fight" genres.

Big budgets from the start? The Big Boss, Chinese Connection, and Way of the Dragan cost $100,000 each to make which is low budget even in 1971. All three together costs the same as Halloween alone, which was $300,000 in 1978 considered one of the most successful independent low budget films.

[HomicideHenry]

$100,000 in CHINA may as well be a multi-million dollar budget. His films were all done in China.

[Caractacus]

The Big Boss aka FISTS OF FURY was actually filmed in Pak Chong Thailand tho.

[HomicideHenry]

As if Thai currency is any better

[APerno]

Did anyone catch this season's premier for You Better call Saul? -- A nice coincidence; check it out, one of the main characters has a very decided opinion on this topic. (I guess the writers were making fun of us.)

[IKSRTFO]

$100,000 in CHINA may as well be a multi-million dollar budget. His films were all done in China.

No. Especially considering Jackie Chan's Police Story 2 cost 10 million to make in China. Only Enter the Dragon was not considered a low budget film in China.

[HomicideHenry]

$100,000 in CHINA may as well be a multi-million dollar budget. His films were all done in China.

No. Especially considering Jackie Chan's Police Story 2 cost 10 million to make in China. Only Enter the Dragon was not considered a low budget film in China.

You're not taking into consideration that Jackie Chan didn't rise to fame until 20 years plus after the death of Bruce Lee. It also helps that Jackie Chan was a major movie star in America as well, which would only convince Chinese investors to double down and triple down money on such a production.

[IKSRTFO]

$100,000 in CHINA may as well be a multi-million dollar budget. His films were all done in China.

No. Especially considering Jackie Chan's Police Story 2 cost 10 million to make in China. Only Enter the Dragon was not considered a low budget film in China.

You're not taking into consideration that Jackie Chan didn't rise to fame until 20 years plus after the death of Bruce Lee. It also helps that Jackie Chan was a major movie star in America as well, which would only convince Chinese investors to double down and triple down money on such a production.

True, but to your point, even $100,000 in Chinese money is not going to bring top notch special effects to mask someone's lack of martial art skill. This wasn't The Matrix type production where they could do that. Actually they had to slow the film down to catch Bruce because he was so fast.

[HomicideHenry]

I don't believe that, sorry.

When you have some knowledge of the cinema, you'll know that by Lee's lifetime it was filming as much as 72 frames per second... Silent films, such as Corbett vs Courtney was shot at 14 frames per second... Hell, 2001: A Space Odydsey was shot at 65 frames per second... The lowest acceptable rate was 48 frames per second in the 70s.. hell today "HD" is shot at 120 frames per second.

So think about it... It defies logic for that myth to keep on persisting over time.

[Caractacus]

ENTER THE DRAGON was an American film (Warner Bros.)filmed in China (Hong Kong).
It cost $ 850,000 to make (1972 dollars) ( but grossed $ 90,000,000 )

[Caractacus]

but even with a big budget,great cinematography and a known action director,they still can not replicate a Bruce Lee movie.

[Caractacus]

I was watching the 2010 documentery I AM BRUCE LEE the other day,
and this question was asked in it.
They asked Ray"Boom-Boom" Mancini how he would fight Bruce Lee
and he said you fight speedsters with pressure going to the body
others said they would "outmuscle' Bruce Lee.
Manny Pacquio was interviewed too,
he said Bruce Lee was his idol growing up and he wanted the same hair-cut
and also practiced with the Nunchucku's but kept hitting his elbow with it.
he didn't say how he would fight Bruce lee however.

[Caractacus]

Check out the "intercepting" body punch that Bruce Lee delivers(in a orthdox stance) to the dude who was going to smash him in the head with a rock at 3:19 of the clip.It looks like he impaled himself on a rail.

[HomicideHenry]

you can't use movies as proof of anything... That's like saying Jean Claude Van Damm really could beat Dolph Lundgren... Or that Michael Jai White really could beat Kimbo Slice, Bob Sapp, Nathan Jones, and several others with a real pedigree.

One should look at the win/loss ratio of Jeet Kun Do guys in MMA... It's not good... It's all good in theory, all good on paper, until it's put into practice.

Think of the known liar Frank Dux who claimed 56 knockout wins in a single tournament allegedly held in the Bahamas. He was the best known martial artist in the world at one point, with zero evidence to back up his claims.

The best evidence of his "abilities" came in an ass beating he received at the hands of Zane Frazier, a man who once worked in Dux's dojo as a trainer. Apparently between the two men Frazier was the goods, and Dux was a flat out pretender because Frazier beat him horribly, even throwing him through a table, sending him to the hospital.

Art Davies witnessed the whole thing and offered Frazier a spot at UFC 1 based on the fact he brutalized the man behind BLOODSPORT, and Frazier lost his match. Which goes to show that Frazier was certainly not world-class, despite the fact he annihilated Dux who claimed to be the best in the world.

Lee, only had one fight. And even that was clouded in mystery. When Wong Jack Man heard rumors that Lee was claiming he won, he published a public challenge to Lee to have a rematch.... And Lee never took it up.

That speaks volumes about the first fight, and speaks volumes about Lee himself knowing full well his best asset was his charisma and personality, promoting himself as something he wasn't. A rematch, for the public to see, would have destroyed everything he was working for.

[APerno]

Excuse me for being a pretentious purist a-hole, but a mod should shut this thread down. It's not that its fantasy and not history; it's not that its become quite redundant; it's not that it's beyond speculative and transcends to a new level of pointlessness, it's not even that all the posts are stupid, because some are not, some have tried to express themselves in an insightful way; no it's not all these things, it's just that it has become very annoying to me. Is there a 'please make this stop button' I can push? Like I said earlier, television shows are actually making fun of us using this very topic; we're dragging the fight game through 'geek mud.' On Alternative History forums they call this ABS (the introduction of 'alien space bats' into the argument.) I never thought I'd miss a Kalan rant.

[Caractacus]

Bruce lee's favorite manuveurs were the finger jab and the "Stop Hit"
( which he does against Mr. Wu there in the clip who tried to smash him in the head with a rock when his back was turned.
He got that idea from studying Western Fencing which is one of its main moves.)
Bruce Lee was a streetfighter since he was a kid and took up Wing Chun Gung Fu under the tutaledge of Yip Man in Hong Kong. He did that for years until his famous fight with Wong Jack Man in Oakland Ca in 1964.
at that point on he started developed Jeet Kune Do.

[Caractacus]

[HomicideHenry]

STREET FIGHTING IS NOTHING FFS

[Caractacus]

[HomicideHenry]

Again street fighting is NOTHING... I've known many guys who were not amateurs or pros or martial artists and cleaned out bar rooms... Have you ever seen a single guy beat the hell out of 4 or more people? It's not uncommon. So what are we talking about the here?

I'm more terrified of the athlete who annihilates defensive masters, than I am someone who knows "a little bit of something" and beats up a bunch of people who don't know how to fight.

Lee couldn't beat Wong Jack Man, and that's enough for me. He never rematched him. Never fought anyone else. Sparring means nothing. That's not evidence. That's like saying Conor McGregor making Paulie Malignaggi look like dog crap in sparring equates to him having a shot at Floyd Mayweather (and we saw that it didn't mean diddly).

[Caractacus]

anyway I got news for you all-Bruce Lee WAS a Boxing champion !
he reportedly had a record of 23-0-0 at La Salle College in Hong Kong in 1958.
He won the title by defeating his first three oppenents in the tournament-knocking them out in the first round
and in the finals he fought the reigning amateur Hong Kong Boxing inter-school champion Gary Elms
( representihg the all-British King George V school )
who had held the title for 3 years.
Reportedly the fight went the full three rounds,but Elms was unable to land a punch on Bruce Lee.
wanna see more proof ?

[BoxBuzz]

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