These fights didn't happen, for different reasons.
Tillman's girlfriends was ill I seem to remember.
Masina was a no show
and it states Loves opponent was simply ill, so none of them actually climbed through the ropes.
http://boxrec.com/en/event/740185/2192854
http://boxrec.com/en/event/740083/2107484
http://boxrec.com/en/event/763397/2223581
But they are down as win/losses why? Surely fights have to actually take place for them to count.
false records.
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With a bit of detective work, I found out the boxrec contributor who most likely installed the results was also a judge at all 3 fights that didn't happen.
Interesting.
Interesting.
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I think if opponent is No Show, New Zealand Professional Boxing Association awards "walkover win" = "technical decision" same as if it was a tournament.
However, I'll ask results author (editor) to confirm this for you.
Cheers
However, I'll ask results author (editor) to confirm this for you.
Cheers
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BTW, same rule/decision applies in Amateurs and not only in NZ
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So under nzpba rules in case of a tournament there needs to be a winner and a loser in a tournament setting to proceed into the next round. The supervisor of the night classed as a technical decision. Another contributing factor was the boxer was weighed in, signed all medical forms and agreed to take on the bout and then no showed without reason and without medical certificate.
Junior pati vs Clarence Tillman, tillman again was weighed in, signed all medical forms and agreed to take on the bout and even showed up to the event but left half way through the fight night. Tillman didn't give a statement to the sanctioning body and refused any further comment so it was decided to suspended him indefinitely and to have that bout made a technical decision until he give and explanation with proof.
Junior pati vs crom masina exactly same thing as explained with Tillman fight
There is also afa tatupu vs Salam hermez that happen same way as explain before
Junior pati vs Clarence Tillman, tillman again was weighed in, signed all medical forms and agreed to take on the bout and even showed up to the event but left half way through the fight night. Tillman didn't give a statement to the sanctioning body and refused any further comment so it was decided to suspended him indefinitely and to have that bout made a technical decision until he give and explanation with proof.
Junior pati vs crom masina exactly same thing as explained with Tillman fight
There is also afa tatupu vs Salam hermez that happen same way as explain before
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If a boxer did a no show and they provided proof of why that's a genuine reason or provide a medical certificate then the record is change to a no contest
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I might as well add to all concerned, if results were incorrect, former NZPBA secretary (now president) Pat Leonard would've promptly contacted me.
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interesting, it does seem sort of strange to count it as a win on the record, but if thats how the comission has it in those situations i guess thats how it is
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Once they weighed in, been examined by the doctor sign the waiver form and doctors form then it's a full legal fight. If they pull out from that point onward then they need to give explanation with proof.
Clarence Tillman left half way through the fight night claiming on social media his pregnant girlfriend went to hospital
He tried to make contact to make a statement in writing and to produce a medical certificate of the girlfriend but wouldn't reply or make a comment
So why not credit opponent who was there & ready to go with WIN?Re: false records.
What a disgrace, and how embarrassing for NZ boxing.
So basically you could go 5, 10 even be the first 100-0 boxer by not not even throwing or taking a punch and not even having to get in a ring.
Do you even have to be in the building to credited with the win? I mean you could be outside the building having a cigarette and get gifted a win on your record. You could be in the pub even.
Someone should let Rohit Singh know.
So basically you could go 5, 10 even be the first 100-0 boxer by not not even throwing or taking a punch and not even having to get in a ring.
Do you even have to be in the building to credited with the win? I mean you could be outside the building having a cigarette and get gifted a win on your record. You could be in the pub even.
Someone should let Rohit Singh know.
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Really?
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He did, albeit by way of Technical Decision. Each country & its regulators (whether Government or not) have their rules and we (Boxrec) ain't in position to override them. We are record keepers (as much as possible) & not world's regulator.
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That doesn't make any sense, as, if you claim Boxrec are merely record keepers, then why are results from BIBA officiated shows not recorded on boxrec? Surely that's classed as being a regulator?
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Obviously, there's a reason, which editor's based in the area or bossman/founder will spit it out for youtsmithy50 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2018, 19:16That doesn't make any sense, as, if you claim Boxrec are merely record keepers, then why are results from BIBA officiated shows not recorded on boxrec? Surely that's classed as being a regulator?
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I'm actually quite surprised, as an editor you're not questioning how fights that didn't take place in New Zealand under an independent 'governing body'are recorded on boxrec yet fights that did take place under an independent'governing body' in the UK are not recorded. This Pat Leonard must be a powerful man......
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No fight, no result, NZ no exception.
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At last some sanity, dumb and dumber were testing my faith.