Who would be the last man you would get in a ring with?

[Sidney Carton]

He has an inside game, an outside game, a body attack, a strong defense, great balance, timing, and the best right counter shot in the division... He has the height, size, and strength of a Klitschko; the chin of Dempsey; the speed and power of Tyson; the jab of Holmes; the reach of Lewis; the cleverness of Tunney; the conditioning of Wladimir; and the perseverance of Holyfield.

How much do you charge for your work as a (5th rate) PR man?

[SenorPipino]

Greb seemed like the kind of guy who enjoyed being as dirty as possible and torturing overmatched opponents.

It would be no picnic letting Greb batter, butt, thumb, gouge, choke and whatever else round after round.

Greb would have reveled in MMA.

Does Greb really have that dirty rep? I think Klomptons book characterizes him as fairly pragmatic....but willing to fight fire with fire when needed. And since there is no film of the guy.....I'm not sure we'll ever really know. Since some people seem to be invested in singing his praises, and others with sullying his reputation.

Everything I ever heard or read about Greb refers to him pretty muchvad the dirtiest player in the game.

Maybe Zivic was up there with him in terms of treachery and underhandedness, but Greb was a much better fighter.

And yes, I too wish that footage of Greb existed so we could judge him with our own eyes.

There must he some film hidden away somewhere. There's plenty footage of 20s fighters available. And pre-20s fighters for that matter.

Why is Greb completely lost?

[m3304]

Since I'm not a fighter, and therefore just about any vicious fast starting fighter would a nightmare for me to be stuck in the ring with. I'd go with either Mike Tyson or Sonny Liston...I'm sure I'd last less than a minute against both of them even if I had months to train for both fights

Of course that probably goes for several other fighters as well, but I know damn well those guys would jump on me without mercy.

I'll 2nd your suggestion of Liston. Liston in his prime was menacing. The fight before he won the
championship by beating Patterson by a round 1 KO he fought Albert Westphal. In this 1st round KO
he gave Westphal a teribble beating. After the fight Ewstphal was interviewed and asked if he wanted
a rematch. Westphal was stunned by the question & emphasized that the last thing he wanted
was rematch with Liston.

Then Patterson was finally forced to fight Liston. Liston said that if the fight lasted longer than
the playing of the Star Spangled Banner they could give the fight to Patterson, it lasted 2 minutes
the SSBanner was longer.

There was a fighter even if they told me if I lasted into the second round they'ed give me a million,
I'd take a dive after the 1st left jab & he had a good one.

[Bodyshot3]

I am tempted to add Vitali K into the discussion.

A huge man but surprisingly mobile, busy and with a nasty/vengeful streak which his kid brother did not always possess.

Some of his title opponents were ho-hum but during his latter, more conservative years he kind of beat guys-up in a way that looked painful, prolonged and without these folk really being able to get much of a respite or make him back-off.

Getting basically upended like Hide or Kirk Johnson did was probably far better than the sustained beating Briggs (bravely/foolishly) endured and what he handed out to Arreola, Sam Peter and Sanders.

He's a clean cut, actually very decent politician now.....but I don't want to face VK under any circumstances unless I am a huge and hugely talented Jamaican/Canadian/Londoner called Lewis.

[Jasonkinsley]

As a sometime fighter, I know the worst feeling is not only losing but looking bad doing it. Skilled, hard to hit guys, like Whitaker or even Mayweather, are the worst because they’ll beat you and make you look silly on top of it.

[zockerbit]

I say Hearns ....and if he was on vacation maybe the middleweight Toney

[James9753]

Gerald McClellan or Julian Jackson for me. Both guys still had speed, coupled with insanely freakish power for their respective weights. Any shot to the head or body from those too and it would most certainly be an early night to bed for me!

[Quantrax]

I'm not sure which is worse; getting sparked out quickly by a monster puncher or being slowly but surely ground and beaten down by a fit and relentless pressure fighter.

Getting broken down piece by piece by JCC Snr must have been a horrible experience, before being eventually stopped, exhausted and broken on the ropes.

[Bodyshot3]

I'm not sure which is worse; getting sparked out quickly by a monster puncher or being slowly but surely ground and beaten down by a fit and relentless pressure fighter.

Getting broken down piece by piece by JCC Snr must have been a horrible experience, before being eventually stopped, exhausted and broken on the ropes.

The Chavez Sr experience makes me think of the excellent Andy Holligan........

.........a properly decent Liverpool fighter who was tough, proud and supremely fit, heavy-handed in his own right, well-seasoned and not spooked by JCC's reputation and who went out to Mexico aiming to win, rather than getting a cheque.

Holligan started fast and well and for a while had Chavez's respect and the huge, baying crowd nicely zipped......but then suddenly Chavez begins to get interested in what Holligan is bringing and the work-rate, clean and solid punches to both body and head suddenly increase at an alarming rate and Andy is immediately shipping huge punishment.

Within a couple of rounds Holligan has gone from hunter to hunted and Chavez has turned the fight on its head.

Holligan went out on his shield to his utter credit.........but it must have hurt and probably shortened his career.