Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Tacitos

I didn't know about the fight between Art Hafey and Famoso Gomez until I saw one of the fight posters nailed to a telephone pole in Tijuana .. it was early in the day and the fight was that night. The fight was going to take place in the old bullring. I knew the box office would be closed at that time of day,but I wanted to buy a ticket beforehand because I didn't want to get caught up that night standing in line at the ticket window.The Hotel Nelson was across the street from where I saw the fight poster. I thought I might duck inside there and see if the bartender,Flaco,might give me an idea about getting a ticket prior to when the box office opened.

The Hotel Nelson is on the corner of 1st and Revolution Streets.The first drink I ever had in a bar was at the Hotel Nelson when I was 14 years old. The drinking age in Tijuana is 18,but I looked old for my age. The San Diego cops used to have a sub station at the border as you crossed into Mexico. They were checking for kids under the age of 18.There was a time when the U.S. cops didn't allow kids under the age of 18 crossing into Mexico without an adult. I don't know if that was against any constitution,but if they nabbed you and you were underage,the police would send a letter home to your parents. Today,no such thing goes on as having a San Diego police station at the border checking ID's.Going into Mexico is no problem. The Mexicans don't care. They want the gringos spending their money.Coming back there might be a problem,especially if you're Mexican. Better have your papers in order.

So I'm sitting at the bar inside the Hotel Nelson. The Nelson family owned the hotel.The old man at that time was beginning to turn things over to his sons.I'm talking around 1974 I guess the father's father had married some sort of Scandanavian gal with the last name of Nelson. I think his name was something common,a typical Mexican name like Gonzalez.But it was higher status to name the place after the grandmother's name,Nelson. The Anglo connotation gave the place more class,at least that's how the family figured it I asked Flaco if he knew a way to get a ticket for the fight without me having to wait in line.
"You can go to Huizar's place on the boulevard.He's promoting the card.He's got one of those tacito joints,"said Flaco.
Flaco got his name because he was skinny,I'd say more slim more than skinny. He spoke real good English,was charming as hell especially with the American broads that came in.He was tall with light brown hair, hazel eyes that took in everything,a personable smile,and kept the conversation on a amiable plane.He could dissolve any anxieties because he never thought anything was that serious That was why,I think ,he had so many women,the gringa types,dangling on the string. He was married to a real nice Mexican gal and had a couple of kids,but that never curtailed his advances on the side.
"So that sounds like a good idea,"I said. "Where is his taco place?"
""It's a block before you get to the bullring if you head out from here it's on the right side.A blue building.A gas station is right next door."
If you ask a Mexican for an address,forget it. Every place has an address,but there are very few street signs that have the address on them. Most houses and bulidings don't have numbers on them so Mexicans give directions using landmarks Addresses with numbers are for the post office,. I thanked Flaco and headed for the door.
"Before you leave,"he caught me."I think I'll get that municipal police job. I came up with enough money so I could have the patrol on the road to Playas. I can make a lot of money with the mordida working out by the beach,"he let me know.
"Well congratulations,"I said."If i'm driving out that way I hope you won't shake me down,"
"You know I would never bother you Pico."(For some reason all the bartenders called me "Pico".They never told me why)


I found Igancio Huizar's tacito joint easy enough. it was in an area in the heart of the district where it was row upon row of taco stands open all night long.The rows of stands were always crowded with hungry people wanting to eat tacos in the taco capitol of the world,Tijuana. Big white light bulbs shining on the smoke from the broiling meat crackling and popping on the brazeros,the smoke slowly wafting through the air in circling waves The aroma was rich and piqued the tongue for wanting a taco,carne asada,rolled in hot corn tortillas with everything:cilantro,radishes,carrots in vinagre,long green onions,salsa red or green muy picante.The hot manteca would soak through the layers of the tortillas and the wax paper that the taco man would hand to you fist over fist. The game was you walked up to the stand. You had to make sure there were a lot of people standing in front eating tacos. You never said how many you wanted. The guy just keeps handing you the tacos(be sure to tell him how you want them).Then when you had your fill,you say that you want to pay. The guy then asks how many you had,let's say you ate 6 tacos.You say you ate 4. Well,maybe the guy is counting or not,but you pay for eating 4 and he doesn't mind because he still maked a profit.

Anyway, Huizar's place wasn't like the above description of the row upon row stands. For one thing you had to walk inside. When I did, I saw the place was empty. A few stools at the counter, a couple of booths. No one.The place was still and a little oppressing,not well lit .It was clean,but I didn't smell any aromas of tacos cooking. I don't even think the stove was turned on. An unshaven frail old man wearing a threadbare sport coat spotted with grease came out from the back.
"Can I help you?"he asked with squinty eyes.
"Someone said I could buy a ticket for tonight's fight here. This is Huizar's place isn't it?"
"It is,"he said."But Huizar doesn't come in until later."
"Can't you sell me a ticket?"I asked with a frustrated tone in my voice.
"Well,I'll have to find them first,"said the old man."You sure you can't come by later when Huizar is here?"
"I won't have time."
"I'll go to the office. How many did you want?"
"Just one."
The old man went to the back and after about five minutes came out again with a handful of tickets.
"You just want one?"he asked with a forlorn face.
"Just one."
"You want ringside?"
"How much?"
"20 dollars."
"Give me one ringside,"I said.
I paid the old man the 20 dollars and he handed me the ticket.
"Are you going to the fight?"I asked the old man.
The old man changed expression quickly. He was now standing erectly with an ear to ear grin,like the cat that swallowed the canary.
"Why should I go?I already know who's going to win."
He told me this with the twenty in his hand.
"Well.don't tell me. I like surprises."
"I don't," smiled the old man."I like to know what I'm getting into."

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The Hotel Nelson

FWI:See that picture of The Hotel Neloson. Well,where the traffic is out in front is Revolution Street. Very touristy.Down the street around the corner is where the Coahuila starts. So if you sit outside at a table on the corner you have a view of the gift shops and trendy restaurants on the Revolution Street side,but if you turn your head to 1st Street you see the girls standing outside in front of the tinsel neon lit cantinas offering their services. Quite a contrast.
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Telltale Inscription


I'm not going to name the two fighters I saw in the ring at The San Diego Coliseum..It was over 40 years ago.The names aren't important to the story.One of the fighters was a Mexican kid who had run up a 12 fight win streak at the start of his career. I saw him fight at the Arena 72,the fight venue that was located about a mile north of the racetrack. He was starting to build a following.That night at the Coliseum was his first fight in the states. Before I describe the other fighter,I want to tell you what the Coliseum's matchmacker,Mickey Davies, told me once.I just happened to be sitting next to him at the Coliseum on night.The fights hadn't started yet.He initiated a conversation with me.It sounded like he wanted to let out a little steam.
"I was on pins and needles whether I'd have enough fighters to have on a show tonight,"said the matchmaker."We would have lost a lot of money if we had to give everyone their money back."
I'm not specific about what the California rule was about the minimum number of rounds that had to be on a card,but prior to the start if the number of rounds was insufficient,it would have to be announced to the paying that they were entitled to getting their money back.To add insult to injury for the promotor,the show had to go on. Well,the crowd would sit to til the final bell of the last fight,and then rush outside to the ticket window for the refund.
"Two of the fighters called me last night and said they couldn't make it,"said Davies through tight lips.
"What happened?"
"One got himself arrested in Tucson on an assault beef.The other guy said he injured himself in the gym."
"You're OK now?"I asked.
"I had to get on the horn real fast. I got a couple of fighters to come up from Tijuana to fill in.I'm good now."

Well,the fight I'm going to describe had a similar problem. The opponent for the Mexican kid called Davies two days before the match to say that he came down with pneumonia and couldn't make the weigh in. This was all unbeknownst to the standing room only crowd. Mickey Davies hopped up into the ring and took the responsibility upon himself to tell the crowd that the Mexican kid was going to fight a last minute sub.Davies tried to give some credence to the late substitute saying he was a very popular fighter from the East Coast. There wasn't that much of a stir with the news of a replacement filling in.The fans were there to see the Mexican kid stretch his win streak to a lucky 13.

Now I'll fill you in with the guy who got the last minute call to step in and try to put the onus on the kid from across the border. The Mexican kid entered the ring first which I thought was unusual. He made his way out from the old moldy Coliseum locker room.There were so many pipe leaks in that locker room that fighters would leave wet footprints on the ring mat when they entered.The kid was surrounded by a dozen handlersThe crowd began to erupt.He was wearing his tri color red white and green satin robe with his name inscribed elegantly in longhand. The referee flipped a card to see what corner he'd take. When he got to his corner he scuffed his shoes in the rosin box. The I could see his last minute adversary leave the locker room.He was a black kid with a towel draped over his head. He had a couple of other black guys at his side,old timers, as he moved down the aisle shadow boxing with his stride.There were a few whistles,some boos,but for the most part he entered the ring unassuming.He was wearing a black terry cloth robe,but the towel he had draped over his head obscured the lettering on the back. Then he took off the towel.He sported an afro that was twice the size of his head. On the back of his robe was the inscription "Joe's Bar And Grill" in block lettering. Underneath "Joe's Bar And Grill" was an engraving of a martini glass. That was a first for me.

The black kid started to shadow box real fast moving around his corner frenetically.I heard a few chuckles from the audience. The two kids got their instructions,touched gloves, and returned to their corners.At the bell they touched left hands and then the Mexican kid swarmed all over the afro.The black kid immediately went into a shell.The Mexican kid was swinging like a wild man. Although his punches came from everywhere,I didn't see any accuracy.But after about ten seconds of this onslaught,you could see the afro beginning to sink to the canvas The black kid made a soft landing.He rolled onto his back,arms stretched straight out. Frank Rustich,the referee,started to count but then just waved his hands over the prone fighter.His handlers jumped into the ring and propped him onto a sitting position. The ring doctor followed, shining a flashlight in his eyes. He didn't even give him the smelling salts. They had the black kid on his stool in the corner.The kid had this disappointed look on his face as they put the towel over his head. He looked like he was going to cry.One of his cornermen put his robe over his shoulders. But I don't think there were many eyes in his direction. The crowd was celebrating with the Mexican kid.

I said I didn't want any names with the fighters in this story. The Mexican went on from there and won a couple of more fights,and then tasted defeat in the arena in Reynosa,Mexico. The fighter he lost to had a losing record.I looked up the Mexican kid's record the other day when I was thinking about writing this.There was a stretch shortly after where he lost ten straight. He came back to San Diego in a few years and lost his last fight at The Coliseum by a KO.


The black kid,I also delved into the records to find out what course his boxing career was on. I saw that when he fought that time at The Coliseum he had won two fights and lost 20 times,15 before the last round. He went on from The Coliseum and fought in a milieu of dim arenas in obscure little towns, He won 2 more fights while unable to avoid the loss column another 20 times. I saw in his ring bio that he died a year after he left boxing. He was 33 years old.I searched the internet to find out what happened,any anecdotes of his life,the cause of his death. Nothing. Just his fight record.

That's why I didn't use any names here.Not unless I knew a little more. I'm sure if I could locate Joe's Bar and Grill,I'd find something out.

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"Did you ever visit Burke when he was at the home?"asked Jeff the bartender.
"No I didn't",I answered.
Jeff drew a draft beer and put the glass on a coaster in front of me. It was 10 o'clock in the morning.Champs Bar had just opened. That's when I usually made my entrance. There no drunks in the place at that time. In fact, I was the only customer. It used to be I'd like to drink in a bar with a lot of drunks because I was drunk and I was a good fit. Now,I can't stand being around drunks.They see that I'm not drunk and not drinking to get drunk so they want to start something. I'd just as soon walk out.
"Did you ever visit him?"I asked Jeff.
"I didn't know him. I began working here after he died. But you knew him didn't you?"
"I knew him a little.I used to hang around his gym once in awhile. He had a group of fighters he'd be training at the Coliseum. I'd drop by from time to time."
"Didn't you have something to do with him getting into The California Boxing Hall of Fame?"
"I got the word to Don Fraser through Rick Farris that Burke should be inducted. I don't think he doubted that."
"Did he go to the ceremony?"
"At first he didn't want to go. Then he changed his mind.I think Don Fraser thought he was going to buy 3 or 4 tables worth of guests.I could have gotten my grandmother into the California Boxing Hall Of Fame if I promised Fraser that I could sell a slew of tables and bring him some money ."
"So in the end he went?"asked Jeff.
"No. He changed his mind again. He was starting to get paranoid at that time."
"So they didn't induct him?"
"Yes they did, It was too late by then. The programs had been printed.He was going to be inducted."
"Did any of his friends or family go up there?"
"No. No one. They didn't buy any tickets.They didn't reserve any tables.But he was in the program.He got in."
"Did anyone make a speech."
"No.I don't think anyone was asked.They passed by his name. Fraser was probably sore that Burke and his people didn't buy any tables."
"But he deserved to be inducted didn't he?"
"Oh yes.He was qualified. Rick Farris who was doing most of the work putting things together for Fraser told me Fraser and Burke were drinking buddies."
"I guess if you can't come up with making any money you begin to have a falling out with Fraser ."
"All I know is they never gave Burke a mention at the induction ceremony."
Jeff grabbed my glass and put a fresh head on it.
"You know something Jeff.I should have visited Burke at the home."
"They said he was starting to get violent. He didn't recognize no one. Not even his family. The doctors told everyone to stay away. They said the only person he asked about was Shirley."
"And she died before Burke..He blocked that out of his mind."
"Well,it's all over now,"said Jeff wiping the bar with a towel.
"Well,I should have gone before he started losing his mind."
"You'll drive youself crazy thinking about that.Say, how would you like a beer on the house?"
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No Visitors Allowed

"Did you ever visit Burke when he was at the home?"asked Jeff the bartender.
"No I didn't",I answered.
Jeff drew a draft beer and put the glass on a coaster in front of me. It was 10 o'clock in the morning.Champs Bar had just opened. That's when I usually made my entrance. There no drunks in the place at that time. In fact, I was the only customer. It used to be I'd like to drink in a bar with a lot of drunks because I was drunk and I was a good fit. Now,I can't stand being around drunks.They see that I'm not drunk and not drinking to get drunk so they want to start something. I'd just as soon walk out.
"Did you ever visit him?"I asked Jeff.
"I didn't know him. I began working here after he died. But you knew him didn't you?"
"I knew him a little.I used to hang around his gym once in awhile. He had a group of fighters he'd be training at the Coliseum. I'd drop by from time to time."
"Didn't you have something to do with him getting into The California Boxing Hall of Fame?"
"I got the word to Don Fraser through Rick Farris that Burke should be inducted. I don't think he doubted that."
"Did he go to the ceremony?"
"At first he didn't want to go. Then he changed his mind.I think Don Fraser thought he was going to buy 3 or 4 tables worth of guests.I could have gotten my grandmother into the California Boxing Hall Of Fame if I promised Fraser that I could sell a slew of tables and bring him some money ."
"So in the end he went?"asked Jeff.
"No. He changed his mind again. He was starting to get paranoid at that time."
"So they didn't induct him?"
"Yes they did, It was too late by then. The programs had been printed.He was going to be inducted."
"Did any of his friends or family go up there?"
"No. No one. They didn't buy any tickets.They didn't reserve any tables.But he was in the program.He got in."
"Did anyone make a speech."
"No.I don't think anyone was asked.They passed by his name. Fraser was probably sore that Burke and his people didn't buy any tables."
"But he deserved to be inducted didn't he?"
"Oh yes.He was qualified. Rick Farris who was doing most of the work putting things together for Fraser told me Fraser and Burke were drinking buddies."
"I guess if you can't come up with making any money you begin to have a falling out with Fraser ."
"All I know is they never gave Burke a mention at the induction ceremony."
Jeff grabbed my glass and put a fresh head on it.
"You know something Jeff.I should have visited Burke at the home."
"They said he was starting to get violent. He didn't recognize no one. Not even his family. The doctors told everyone to stay away. They said the only person he asked about was Shirley."
"And she died before Burke..He blocked that out of his mind."
"Well,it's all over now,"said Jeff wiping the bar with a towel.
"Well,I should have gone before he started losing his mind."
"You'll drive youself crazy thinking about that.Say, how would you like a beer on the house?"

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Going For The Jugular

From time to time they show the replay of the Buster Douglas's bursting of the Mike Tyson bubble on ESPN.When the fight dramatically ended with Iron Mike groping to put his mouthpiece back into its proper place as he's being counted out,Colonel Bob Sheridan, who was calling the action, tried to compare the magnitude of this upset with prior unexpected heavyweight consequences,I heard Colonel Bob offer a feeble,Spinks/Ali. He could have added Clay and Liston of course.Ali and Foreman was a betting odds upset.When I was a kid, the standard was Braddock beating Baer

Leon Spinks definitely out worked a past his prime Muhammad Ali for the decision.When Clay shocked the world the fight was close though the boxing public thought that Clay would have had his big yap shut long before Sonny quit on his stool at the start of the 7th round.Big George thought he'd treat Ali in his usual two round knockout dispatching.By the time George toppled over from a fairly good shot,the fork was already sticking in him.And then Max,who had the habit of laughing and talking to his opponents,talked himself out of his title by conversing more than fighting, by a determined overachiever.in the end it wasn't so funny for Max.

That brings us back to the Tokyo affair where Don King was licking his chops expecting a record gate and closed circuit revenues with a future Tyson/Holyfield encounter. Buster would be a workout for Mike. We could see it live on local television. No one would pay to see this one. The fight has been second guessed to death. The Captain Obviouses could tell you why it happened that way after it was all over. Their astuteness was revelating.I'm surprised Nobel Prizes weren't awarded.So I'm not going to bore you with my insights.Before the first gong,I was thinking if there was a good movie on the tube. But I figured in a round or two Buster would collapse from something Mike would throw at him whether it landed or not.I would probably only miss the opening credits of the picture..

Almost immediately you could feel the karma.But it wasn't necessarily Douglas's energy,or Tyson's lack of. The thing that caught my eye,prevented me from touching that dial,was in a first round clinch when Buster jammed his forearm into Mike's neck.Buster then brought his forearm up lifting Mike's chin to the side in a very rude manner. it was a Rodney Dangerfield moment of getting no respect. Mike did nothing. He took it like he was bitch slapped I knew then that Tyson didn't bring those "mean intentions" he always talked about to The Land Of The Rising Sun. It wasn't like Buster mugged him.Douglas wasn't a crazy man out there like a Roberto Duran in his prime.Through the entire fight to the end,Buster kept sticking his forearm into Mike's throat,and he took it.it didn't wake him up.It didn't piss him off.


Was it the upset of all time?Remember,I'm the guy who balks when it comes to ranking anything.But I'll say this about that fight.After watching Tyson with his swollen eye being embraced by referee Mayon after being counted out in the 10th,,then getting hugged by his cornermen,the first thing I tried to think of was if there ever was a bigger upset.
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The Aberration

I was watching the Howard Stern Show many years ago and happened to see that his guest was James "Buster" Douglas.Sitting beside Douglas was his lawyer.Douglas was wearing what I'd describe as "pimping clothes":a bright yellow suit with wide lapels and flared trouser legs,a purple shirt,a white tie,and high heeled silver boots.All topped off with a wide floppy felt hat. Buster was in the process of making a comeback as a fighter.After losing his title to Evander Holyfield,Douglas gave up boxing for 6 years. His weight ballooned up to 400 pounds. He fell into a diabetic coma and almost died. He would fight a group of journeymen heavyweights for a pittance for what he made for fighting Holyfield.Lou Savarese finally quelled any aspirations for a Buster Douglas road back to being a genuine contender for the heavyweight championship. But while sitting in the studio with his lawyer and Howard Stern,Buster was still on that boring path to another fight for the title,

With the memory of Buster's fight with Tyson still fresh in our memories,Stern ,tongue in cheek,asked Buster how much money he made for pulling the biggest upset in heavyweight championship history. Douglas put his hand to his chin, showing pensive eyes and a studying face.
"Well, there were expenses.I had to pay my manager.Then there were my trainers,.I had hotel and flight expenses.I had to pay taxes. The promotor got a cut.All said and done I made 600 dollars."
All spoken without a hint of resentment.Stern's jaw dropped.Buster's lawyer gave his client a furtive glance.Stern glibly explained to Douglas that he was duped. After Stern's admonishment Buster gave his lawyer a very severe look.


Although Buster was only thrown a 600 dollar bone for his effort against Tyson,the new champ supposedly got a cool 24 million for coming up a cropper in his first defense against Evender Holyfield.It should have been the other way around. In 8 months leading up to the Holyfield fight Buster put on 15 pounds since he fought Tyson.At the weigh in,when I saw Buster bust the scale.I knew he wasn't ready. It was the old Buster.


Throwing out the Tyson fight,looking at Buster's record, his most notable victories were 2 decision wins against Greg Page and Trevor Berbick. He had been Ko'd by Tony Tucker,Jesse Ferguson,and Mike White. Who would have thought he had a chance against Mike Tyson? But now I'm going to take a different course from what I avow. I'm going to say that Douglas's night against Mike Tyson was the most brilliant performance by a heavyweight in a title fight NO ONE could have beaten him that night.I couldn't believe I was watching James "Buster" Douglas,the fighter everyone said would often forget to bring his "A" game to the ring. But this wasn't an "A" game. He was fighting possessed. Some say the death of his mother while he was in training camp was his motivation. Buster ,afterward,said he was in a "Zone." Maybe he had entered the Twilight Zone Buster is a big man.He's over 6 foot 3. He weighed 231 pounds against Tyson. Tyson came into that fight with the reputation that he wouldn't lose forever. Eventually, Father Time was the only foe thought would get him,but not a caliber of fighter like Buster Douglas

That night I saw a fighter that executed a package of skills that I'd never seen equaled in the ring by a heavyweight.Guys like Liston.Foreman,and Tyson, in their primes, would wade in there and blast guys out. Let's say Jack Johnson's best performance was against Jeffries. Well,in a cat and mouse fight against a man who'd been out of the ring for 5 years doesn't impress me like what Buster put on Mike. Move to Dempsey.The Willard and Firpo massacres leave questions. Loaded gloves and a Wild Bull who had a chin made of china. Louis is next. A 1 round trouncing against Schmeling or pulling one out of the fire against a lightheavy,Conn. Impressive,but I'm not sold mentioning those fights in the same breath with Buster's shining moment. Rocky caught old Joe Walcott with his Suzy Q in the nick of time in a fight where he was behind going into the hard luck round.Now we get to The Greatest. He might have been. But the CLay/Ali arsenal in his pre forced retirement days was playing keep away flicking his jab,an occasional overhand right hand.Liston was the big name on that list of victories,but those two fights were some of the most forgettable.

Those 10 rounds Buster performed in Japan against Tyson were the most complete package I've ever seen dished out by a heavyweight. He had everything that night. He was on his toes,head and shoulder fakes,fast foot movement that kept Mike guessing and off balance (except in the 8th round when he put Douglas down on the seat of his pants)But Buster got up and then proceeded to bash Mike's brains out. Jabs,double and triple jabs like pistons,hooking to the body then doubling the punch upstairs,popping right hands,moving ,working,never letting Tyson into the fight. Buster's attack would have gorged a treatise on boxing weaponry. The ending was a Rembrandt:the uppercut under Mike's left hand that almost tore Tyson's head off his shoulders,then Buster shifted his legs to a quick southpaw position and uncorked ,not a left hook,but a beautifully timed straight left hand that toppled Mike over for good.

Remember, he did this against Mike Tyson.When Mike was the talk of the boxing world,Fathers were naming their sons "Tyson." He was Superman. until James "Kryptonite" Douglas turned Mike's iron into tin.But that fight was never duplicated by Douglas again. Prior or after, there was nothing resembling the bombing in Tokyo. You can call it an aberration. But psychologists will tell you if you give someone,let's say 10 IQ tests,the highest score would be the true measure of that person's IQ Look at Douglas's record.The IQ's of those fights wouldn't register but a pimple on the Richter Scale. Then there was Buster's fight with Tyson. Hey Einstein,you've got company.

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In 2017 Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez was inducted into West Coast Boxing Hall Of Fame.Seated at "Indian Red's " table was Lopez's son ,Lance. Ernie's little brother,"Little Red", along with his wife Bonnie were also at the guest of honor's table."Indian Red" had passed away by that time. After losing in his second effort against Jose Napoles for the welterweight title,Lopez lost 2 in a row to Armando Muniz and then John Stracey,both ending in Ko's. 13 years later he fought a fella' in Memphis ,Tennessee by the name of Kenny Louis and didn't last a round. Shortly after that loss "Indian Red" dropped off the face of the earth. For 12 years he was flotsam in a sea. With the help of the Los Angeles Police Department,Lopez's family finally located him living in a homeless shelter in Fort Worth,Texas in 2004.He said that he had bounced around just about everywhere across the United States working odds and ends jobs. He was a little fuzzy with the details. The dementia was getting to him.

Ernie Lopez had won local bragging rights in Los Angeles by winning 2 out of 3 from his rival Hedgemon Lewis .Then Jose Napoles got his visa in order ,with the aide of George Parnassus,and came to town wanting to dominate.. Napoles destroyed Curtis Cokes to win the welter title.Cokes optioned the rematch clause,but the result was similar. Jose then fought Emile Griffith in his first defense.(later Griffith would win two decisions over Lopez)After winning handily over the former welterweight and middleweight champ,"Indian Red" got his shot. at Jose.

Lopez was a tough guy. He talked tough and he was a tough nut in the ring. But Napoles was one of the all time greats and he gave Lopez a good thrashing finally stopping him in the last round.Lopex regrouped winning his next 10 out of 12(Griffith would hang the 2 losses on Ernie's record).Then Lopez got his second chance against "Mantequilla". I remember Lopez saying before the fight that he had Napoles in his sights.
"He's getting old. I'll take him this time!"
Well,he didn't.This time he was counted out in the 7th round. For a moment he looked like he was hurt seriously. Napoles was bending over him coaxing Lopez to get up.That loss broke Ernie's spirit. His wife used that expression to describe his decline.With a loss of "spirit" he also lost his confidence.
"I can't beat this guy,"I remember him saying to reporters.Curtis Cokes,after 2 losses to Napoles,had similar words

With a broken rudder and on a blind course,Ernie Lopez entered the abyss. Once a popular, high profile athlete in the Southland,family,friends,and fans couldn't find him.One day he walked out and didn't return. When they finally tracked him down and his family brought him home,the questions came forth non stop.

When something like that happens,I think most of the inquiries are aimed wanting to elicit a sordid kind of sensationalism. The man was obviously damaged.He couldn't connect much of his disappearance with any rationality. He was ,to put it nicely,a curiosity piece. To listen to him speak,you wish that he had lost his voice on his journey to oblivion.. I talked to his brother,the former featherweight champ Danny "Little Red" Lopez ,about his brother's passing at a charity golf event.
"He took a lot of shots,"said Danny without any emotion.
Today,Danny is struggling. His wife Bonnie takes careful watch over him.

But at least Danny never got lost,physically that is. He attends all the boxing functions in the area,Bonnie keeping a careful eye on him. But with big brother Ernie there was a 12 year gap. Very little is known. For the Lopezes it must have been gut wrenching wondering if he was alive or dead. They wanted to do something.but it was like trying to find a ghost. The irony of his rediscovery was, that because of the illness,not much history,could be extricated.To reappear was bittersweet.


The son,Lance,got up from the table to walk to the dais to accept the award for his father. "Indian Red" had written a poem,an homage to a fighter. Lance began reading his father's tribute.Lance strained every ounce of emotion out of every word. At the climax,Lance was emotionally drained.


As I was leaving the induction ceremony,I saw Lance Lopez standing by the doorway by himself. He was staring at the wall.I came up to him from behind .
"You're dad was a great fighter.He was very popular in this city,"I said a little sheepishly.
The young man turned and looked at me with a very concentrated stare. His eyes went from my shoe tips to the top of my head.
"And how did you know my father?he asked still studying me.
I paused..I was speechless.He kept looking at me,then turned again to face the wall.

I didn't answer him because I didn't know his fatherBut I didn't want to tell him that.I'd seen "Indian Red"fight but that was all. I wish I could have bumped into "Indian Red" Lopez,maybe had a cup of coffee with him,shared a joke,talked to him in an elevator. I had no anecdates.There were no stories.Something that might have helped fill the space of his son's lost life of his dad.

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Professional American Football and Basketball are getting crazy here in the United States, It's become a real touchy subject.Black athletes make up the majority of the rosters of the two sports. They also comprise most of the best players. You could probably go with 3 squads of All Pro Basketball players before you could add a White player. American football has a similar preponderance of having more better Black players than Whites. Often on the defensive side of the ball,all 11 starters are Black. Before Trump got elected there was always an undercurrent of Black athletes that thought that there were issues still concerning racial equality. The National Football League and The National Basketball Association were at the forefront of the national sports popularity. Everybody was making money and spending it.TV ratings for the games were setting records. 24 hour sport talk shows on TV and radio saturated the airwaves. Then in 2016 Donald Trump got elected president

Trump didn't win the popular vote,but the Electoral College is what counted and he garnished more than the enough to put him over the top. This had happened 4 times before in presidential elections:Andrew Jackson losing the Electoral College to John Quincy Adams,Samuel Tilden losing the same way to Rutherford Hayes,likewise Grover Cleveland to Bejamin Harrison,then in 2000 Gore lost the Electoral College when Bush Jr. nabbed Florida away from him in the 11th hour. In 2016 Hillary Clinton got the surprise of her life when she lost the Electoral College ,and thus the Presidency to Donald Trump.

Things started getting dicey right away after that election. I'm not going to get into whether Donald Trump is a racist or whether Blacks are playing the race card. This is a boxing arena ,not a political one.I'm sure there are a plethora of websites and forums where posters have wanted to issue contract hits on anyone who disagrees with their opinion. With the NFL and the NBA becoming more and more controversial,there have been a multitude of fans that aren't anymore. Baseball seems like they're holding their breath. There aren't as many Afro Americans in Major League Baseball like in the NFL and the NBA. They are a far cry from comprising the majority.Besides,most Black baseball plyers are citizens of some Lain American country.

Now I'm not going to write this article without saying a few words about Boxing. That's the point I want to make anyway.The point being that Black fighters(and all fighters),who partake in a contact sport, that is a lot more hurtful and dangerous than football and basketball ,are not out there ranting and raving about social injustice,racial prejudice, making threats,and calling names.They stand for the National Anthem,and when the fight is here in America they respect all their foreign opponent's hymns.No one is on a knee unless it's a prayer and the sign of the cross before the opening bell.

Most fighters I see on TV are either Black or Hispanic. I'm sure they wouldn't want to break bread with Donald Trump. They might dream about breaking his head,but to get on a soap box and call him derogatory names,or to not stand for the National Anthem, is not in a fighter's mantra. They might not have gone to college like the round ball players or the pig skinners.,but they're smart enough to know that by acting out,it's not going to do them much good in order to beat their opponent.If a fighter wants to make a statement ,he does it with his fists.


Boxing is not a White man's sport anymore. There hasn't been a universal White American heavyweight champion since Marciano. There's lots of Eastern Europeans,who are White enough, whose bloodlines you trace back to when they were enslaved by oppressive regimes. I watch fighters from Latin America where most of their countries have never held an honest election.Black and Brown people who ran in the streets and villages in Africa and thought abject poverty was an equal right.These fighters were lucky to go to a school that was inside a wooden shed and had a dirt floor. No books,no computers,nor anything resembling a cafeteria. I've been to dozens of fights in Mexico. If anyone has a beef with their political system,it's a Mexican .Unless he's one of the privileged, he won't get the opportunities like we have in my country. God forbid though if a Mexican fighter were to take a knee during the Mexican national anthem.The only fight he'd have to deal with wouldn't be with his opponent, but with the crowd that would storm the ring and beat him senseless.

I said I didn't want to gat political,but after proofreading this,I think you know where I stand.Oops,did I say "stand"?

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Ali And Hasta Luego

I got a call from a friend this morning.We talked about this and that and then he said that he read what I had written on the forum about today's angry Afro/American athletes.I had written that that displeasure wasn't shared, at least openly, with fighters. Then my friend mentioned Muhammad Ali and asked me why I had omitted his name from the list of malcontents. I understood that his question had some validity.

Muhammad Ali was probably the most high profiled athlete who fought against the accepted mores of the United States. During a period of civil rights struggles and the Vietnam War,the country was in awash in tumultuous times.Muhammad Ali stood out prominently in this revolution. The heavyweight champion who upset the world,after taming Sonny Liston,announced that he had changed his religion and his name. He was now Muhammad X(shortly renamed to Muhammad Ali)and that he was a Muslim. With those changes Ali denounced the way White Americans had treated Blacks during the formation of the country. He ridded himself of his slave name,Cassius Clay, He declared that the Black man should fight against the aftermath of The Civil War that still implemented Jim Crow with all its vile mores:segregation,discrimination,acts of violence like rape and lynchings.The all men are created equal mantras were fairy tails and lies Justice was rarel.y served not only south of the Mason/Dixon Line,but in the entire country.Then Vietnam reared its ugly head and poor kids(an incongruent number of Black youth)were getting draft notices to fight against Communism in a foreign country no one had ever heard of because Communism was subversive to the way we governed our country. That included all the injustices dumped on Blacks. Muhammad Ali was loud and angry with his protestations. His rants were often laced with "White man are devils" descriptions.

There were plenty of issues that needed to be addressed back then.There were changes,some met with violent reactions. There were no Black college athletes playing sports in the SEC Conference. Now could you imagine Alabama winning all those NCAA titles without any Black ballplayers? Professional Black athletes get hefty sums of money to partake in all sports. Tennis and golf,that were off limits once to Blacks,feature two of the most visible Black athletes,Serena Williams and Tiger Woods. Politically the United States had had 2 Black Attorney Generals(the highest cop in the land),a Secretary of State,the Chairmam of the Joint Chiefs of staff,and Supreme Court Justices.Every big city has had or has a Black mayor. 50 years ago if someone would have said we'd have a Black President winning consecutive terms one day,that statement would have caused furtive frowns.

We know Ali was a very sick man at the end. But he wasn't angry like he was when he was floatin' and stingin'. But he had made peace with himself.A lot of that was because of his faith.He had grown older and wiser. He was tolerant.He found serenity..This was important to him than being champ.


Prejudice will never completely go away. It's a numbers game. For example when I go to Mexico,I'm the minority. If anything, I feel a sense of being outnumbered. But if I let that sense run away with my imagination,I'll be devoured by paranoia. Racism and prejudice will let themselves in. Rationality will defer to mob rule. Anger will succeed.It will be a social war.The animals have their segregated societies. It's the law of nature. But man wants to control nature.Sometimes it makes nature more savage than what goes on in the Animal Kingdom. Muhammad Ali became a metaphor for a civilized world.The world,instead of becoming more divided,needs to settle down and not invent ugly stereotypes,at least don't belive them .It's judging to be done on a one to one basis., I saw a sign once on Olvera Street.It said,"Don't make war,eat tacos."We need to do something like that.


I'll be leaving for my wife's hometown in Mexico in a couple of days. I'll be gone two weeks. Our home down there provides a relaxing remedy for taking out some of my pins and needles. Oh,people are more or less the same everywhere. Customs and cultures,language,economics,all come into play. Did you know that 50,000 vehicles cross into San Diego from Tijuana each day,20,000 pedestrians;that's more people than any international border in the world. But I'll be 1500 miles away from the border.But the influence of the United States will still be as strong. Mexico just elected a new president,Obrador. Right now he is very popular with the people. Their hopes have been jumpstarted again. We'll see. I believe he is sincere,but he will have to watch his back. The ones that he feels are the closest to him.he needs to be careful with.

I hear people say that Mexico needs a revolution. Well,they had one. The cartels run things:the government,the military,the police,big business-they all answer to the Chapos types. Oh,they brought him down,but there's always someone who fills the void.The thing that gets me though is the drug lords were at onetime the lowest on the food chain. They were poor kids that ran in the streets without shoes,no parents,victims of abuse,no education. No hope of ever getting out of a life of misery. But this hell finally motivated these street orphans to act. And they acted with ruthlessness. They had to become sociopaths to get to where they ae today. Now they wage war with each other.

You might think that anyone who arose from such abject poverty and suffering would look down,once they've taken hold,at the poor.The unfortunates who where once like them, and come to their aide. The poor would be the first to get a break you'd think. Sadly, this isn't so. The cartel bosses look at the poor and see them as ones that didn't have the "balls" to do what they did, Takeover by force. The poor will just keep getting used and abused.They have nothing that the drug kingpins want unless some young desperate kid wants to volunteer to break into the gang by chopping some guy's head off.


So I'll be back in two weeks. I hope I don't lose my head

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Just about ready to go to the airport. But I thought I'd kill some time surfing the net. I saw this. When I went to Ciudad Juarez 4 years ago I had the good fortune to find my favorite fighter,Jose Napoles.He was sitting out front of his house smoking a Cuban cigar. We swapped stories for about an hour,but before I left I gave him my rendition of the old "Mantequilla."Well this morning I came across this picture. There's "Mantequilla" in his living room with my painting behind him hanging on the wall. I couldn't have been any happier if it was displayed in the Louvre. :TU:
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How Are You Going To Keep Them Down On The Rancho After They've Seen Compton?

"Rogelio,how are you doing?,"asked Enfulo as we were sitting at the big table in my house in my wife's hometown,Jiquilpan.
"I'm doing fine Enfulo. Are you going to the Maria Luisa's birthday party tomorrow?"
"That's why Lupe and I are hear,"he answered."Maria Luisa is Lupe's favorite aunt,and besides I love her too. She's the matriarch of the family."
The birthday party was going to be the next day.Enfulo was going to be part of the music. He was going to play the accordion with his brothers in their Nortena band. Also the Mariachis De Jiquilpan and Sahuayo were going to perform for 4 hours. They are very special ,but it was not difficult to get the money together to have them play.
"The party will start around 3 o'clock tomorrow at Chelis's Palenque. My nephew will have planty of food. We bought a calf and a goat. The birria will be the best,"I said.
"I don't know if I can eat birria anymore,"said Enfulo.
"I've never known you to turn down good birria,"I said a little surprised.
Enfulo put his hands together and stared down. He was a short little guy ,stocky,but pudgy. His face was round and happy even when he talked about sad things.His bushy eyebrows furled over his soft eyes.A pug nose and chubby cheeks bestowed a kindness.His hair was brown and full and wavy. Unlike most Mexicans he didn't have a bigote. He could have grown a mustache,but I never saw him with one.
"I know,"he said staring down still."I love birria,but the other morning I couldn't get out of bed. The room was spinning around.Lupe ran to my brothers and they took me to the doctor. He did a test. He said I had high cholesterol. He told me I can't eat red meat,cheese,milk,,anything cooked with manteca."
"Did he give you medicine?"I asked
"He gave me these pills I take in the morning."
I didn't know what really to say. If I told him he'd be OK he knew that I was just trying to give wishful thinking.If I said that he should be careful,that would only diminish any hope he might be feeling.So I changed the subject.
"I see Canelo is going to fight the Russian again in Las Vegas,"I said.
Enfulo unclasped his hands and looked up at me smiling,His face was flushed and beaded with perspiration.
"Who do you think will win?"I asked.
"It will be a fight everyone will be watching,"he said.
"Again it will be on Mexican Independence Day and again in Las Vegas."
"Where I work at the Marriott Hotel in downtown Los Angeles I will be in charge of setting up the big banquet room.They are going to have a party and everyone will be watching the fight,"said Enfulo.
"How is your job going?"I asked.
"Wonderful,"he said grinning from ear to ear."I am in charge of 10 men and we prepare the banquet rooms and halls setting up the tables and chairs for parties and conventions.There is something going on every day."
"How long have you been living in Compton?"
"Over 12 years. I love it there. My two sons work at the laundry driving the trucks and my daughter is married and Lupe and I have two grandchildren. A boy and a girl."
"That's great."
"My boss helped me and Lupe get our papers and last year we got our citizenship,"said Enfulo smiling shaking his head."My boss is Italian like you."
"It sounds like you are doing well."
Enfulo put his hands together again and looked at me.
"You know, I will never live back here again. I come back to visit and I am very sad. I feel fine in Compton and then I come here and my head begins to spin.Things just get farther and farther behind here.It's sad to see.There is not much to do about it but to leave.You now have to pay the coyotes 12 thousand dollars to get smuggled.I don't even like thinking about it.
"I feel the same way. Maria Luisa told me last night she wants to sell the house.. She doesn't want us to grow old here."
"But we can look forward to the party tomorrow,"he said unfolding his hands again. "And I will eat plenty of birria."
My wife and her niece were in the kitchen separating the tortillas. I looked at my niece.She looked older than my wife. Very quiet and beautiful,but her gray hair pulled back into a ponytail and her wearing her apron made her look older beyond her years.
"Well Rogelio I'll see you tomorrow at the palenque,"beamed Enfulo.
"It will be a great day."
Enfulo and his wife walked to the door. We all gave each other abrazos..I went to bed and slept well. The next day there would be the party for my wife to celebrate her birthday. Everyone,many from far away would be there.

But there was no party the next day. That night, or it might have been early the next morning,Enfulo passed away in his sleep.Lupe could not awaken him.She ran to get his brothers,but Enfulo had died.Of ccourse there was no party. In Mexico when someone dies they embalm him right away. The next day is the wake, and then the following day the cemetery.Everyone who was going to attend the party was at the wake and the cemetery. It was very sad. Enfulo's children flew in from Compton.His sons helped shovel the dirt on their father's grave. Enfulo's Nortena band and the mariachis walked with the casket from the church playing music into the cemetery.It would have been the way Enfulo would have wanted it
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The African/American jazz organist,jimmy Smith,had an issue playing in front of predominantly white audiences. Smith broke onto the jazz scene in 1954 mastering the new Hammond B 3 organ with the duel keyboards and the big Leslie speakers, The rhythm was supplied by the organist pumping his feet on the pedal unit that was underneath the keyboards instead of relying on an extra bass player to provide the rhythm. Smith wasn't in the vogue of a Fats Waller or a Count Basie,organ players that used their pipe organ technique as more or less an accompaniment to their singing or the rest of the orchestra.Smith astonished the jazz aficianados with a bop style that was unheard of on the organ. He had broke ground. He was an overnight sensation. But like I said ,he didn't want to show his best in front of "whitey."

A minor fight promotor in town by the name of Louie Lake had a jazz club out in East San Diego called Funky Quarters. Sometimes Smith would get a booking. I made sure that I took in his gigs when he played out there. I'd often be the only white guy in the joint,but that never gave me any anxiety attacks. Jazz clubs are pretty open about who sits in and listens. One night in Lake's joint Smith sat at the keyboard and peered out into the audience. He caught me in his crosshairs.
"I see we got a cracker in the crowd,"he crowed.
There was a titter of laughter.
"I ain't no cracker," I shot back with a smirk."I'm an albino."
That busted Smith up.

Before starting to play,Smith gave a brief history of his experience in the Navy in the early 50's.
"I don't like San Diego much,"he said."I was in the Navy and all them mammy jammin' redneck white boys and officers were a bunch of racists.The only thing I can say I liked about San Diego is I got discharged here."
He then went on to play like the virtuoso he was cracked up to be. Kenny Burrell sat beside him with his Gibson guitar. Grady Tate was at the tubs. Smith ran the gamut:bop,blues,ballads,and he made sure he featured tunes from his latest albums.I remember before he played a slow blues number he looked out to the croed.
"I just have to play some blues. You colored folks wouldn't let me leave without some slow blues."

There was another black club out on Market Street that got raided by the ABC and the vice called Wards Jazzville. Later somehow it reopened in the downtown area. The cops always put the heat on the black clubs. But I can't blame them.The black clubs were lax on checking ID's at the door and the cocktail waitresses were not only hustling drinks but their hips as well.If you wanted to score some "coke" ,the bathrooms were a good rendezvous to buy a little nose candy. Jimmy Smith was no stranger to Wards Jazzville. It was always sold out when he appeared.


During the 1960's Smith was beginning draw a white following.I remember there was a spot out on University Boulevard that featured live music, The name escapes me,but the venue showcased all types of music:rock,country western,blue grass,folk. One time they thought they'd try Jimmy Smith.


The club was in a white neighborhood that catered to mostly white people. But it never crossed my mind that Jimmy Smith would waver from one of his powerful performances. The club didn't have the standard bar and tables,just rows of seats. As I could see the audience was just about all vanilla. In that sea of heads I spotted a few chocolate drops.I settled into my cushioned seat anticipating sparks. Smith took his place at the B 3. He craned his neck into the milieu.Then he began to play. "Play" would be the appropriate word if you were thinking of what children do on the school yard. I sat there jaw agape and listened for a curt 45 minutes of the most awful sounding cacophony.It was like Smith had ran his elbows across the keyboard . All this time he was looking up at the ceiling making moaning sounds.There was no rhythm.No swing.No beauty. it was throwing pots and pans against a wall I thought at first he might be warming up,but for a rip off of only 45 minutes the eeriness continued. I looked at the audience. They were as bewildered as I .There was a moment when Smith played a few bars of the Organ Grinder Swing. The crowd immediately cheered.But when he heard that response he started throwing more utensils against the wall.It was a relief when he stopped the racket.


I walked outside in disgust with my hands in my pocket. Then I felt a tap on my shoulder. I turned around. It was Archie Moore,the Old Mongoose,the wanting jazz player and jazz enthusiast.
"Hey Arch,"I said surprised to see him there."What the hell was that all about?"
"I guess he gave some back to the white people tonight,"said the old champ.
"Yeah,but you ain't white,"I said.
"Maybe he didn't see me,."



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I do believe I have read every contribution over the last 10 years, and I'm so glad I pinned this truly remarkable thread to the top of this forum years ago. And I'm sure we are all glad that I've been wise enough to mostly keep my thoughts here to a minimum, and not dilute the waters of this amazing oasis of boxing stories.

This thread has journeyed past the ten year mark this year....and I do believe it is about to achieve a million hits this year as well. This is purely and simply a good thing. Kikibalt, began the conversation and he and Dagos have been the catalyst of one of most meaningful boxing conversations, deliberations, and on occasion pontifications (not to mention the occasional tangential variations of subject matter) that exists anywhere on the world wide web. At least that is my personal opinion, And I have gotten feedback from many, that I am not alone.

Just thought I'd chime in and remind the main contributor/s that this little gem has a faithful following, and the contributions are genuinely appreciated by quite a few interested and fascinated readers.
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BoxBuzz wrote: 24 Aug 2018, 21:18 I do believe I have read every contribution over the last 10 years, and I'm so glad I pinned this truly remarkable thread to the top of this forum years ago. And I'm sure we are all glad that I've been wise enough to mostly keep my thoughts here to a minimum, and not dilute the waters of this amazing oasis of boxing stories.

This thread has journeyed past the ten year mark this year....and I do believe it is about to achieve a million hits this year as well. This is purely and simply a good thing. Kikibalt, began the conversation and he and Dagos have been the catalyst of one of most meaningful boxing conversations, deliberations, and on occasion pontifications (not to mention the occasional tangential variations of subject matter) that exists anywhere on the world wide web. At least that is my personal opinion, And I have gotten feedback from many, that I am not alone.

Just thought I'd chime in and remind the main contributor/s that this little gem has a faithful following, and the contributions are genuinely appreciated by quite a few interested and fascinated readers.

Buzz,Thanks for the kind words. I'm sure the same goes for all the others who have contributed their thoughts on the Classic West Coast Boxing thread. :TU:
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Robby's Last Stand

I remember when I saw Sugar Ray Robinson lose a decision to the local Memo Ayon in the Tijuana bullring in 1965 in a fight that could have gone either way,I said to myself if that had been the Ray Robinson that broke down Jake LaMotta on St. Valentines Day in Chicago Ayon wouldn't have been left standing. Ayon's next fight was up at the Olympic Auditorium in LA against Luis Rodriguez . The Nose made quick work of him in 3 rounds. Rodriguez was in his prime then.Sugar Ray Robinson's first pro fight was in 1940. In those days it was when a fighter lost his legs he was pretty much through.But you can say that for any athlete. Joe DiMaggio once said that if a ballplayer has his legs he can do everything else DiMaggio always had problems with his wheels. Bad ankles eventually limited his playing time and shortened his career.

Robinson was the guy with the "spindly legs." Too bad there's not much film of him especially when he was king of the welters.Most of the celluloid on Robinson is after he came back to the ring because he was broke. He thought he could sing and dance and make a living in show business. To see him perform on the stage made me wonder if he didn't duck enough of LaMotta's shots. But it was probably Robby's ego that convinced him that Harlem would forget Billy Eckstein.


I can't say Robinson embarrassed himself thinking he could dance like one of the Nicholas brothers because again his ego would sluff any failure as having nothing to do with Walker Smith aka Sugar Ray Robinson. So Robby comes back as a middleweight again and beats a the journeyman Joe Rindone and two weeks later gets roughed up by another war horse Ralph Tiger Jones and now we see that Robby can't get out of the way like he once did. Many thought Bobo Olson would keep his title against Robinson in Chicago,but Robinson maybe didn't shock the world ,but he put a buzz back into the division by getting his hand raised after 2 rounds. The rematch was in LA and again Olson was put flat on his back

Robinson went on to win and lose and regain titles against Fullmer and Basilio,but with the exception of "the perfect left hook"he surprised Gene Fullmer with,Robinson's title fights went the distance. Moving up to fight at middleweight had something to do with that,but then how many times did we see him unable to get off the ropes during his comebaack.? He probably got the short end of the stick in Tijuana because Memo Ayon kept backing him up against the ropes.


It was in the early 70's when Robinson fought an exhibition match against a pretty good California middleweight by the name of Mike Nixon at The Olympic. It was on the under card of the Mando Muniz/Thurman Durden fight. The exhibition was a two round two minutes a round. I think Robby figured under those conditions he could pull out what was left in his tank and be an illusion of The Great Sugar Ray. For two two minute rounds Nixon couldn't lay a glove on him.The crowd went crazy as Sugar Ray circled around Nixon, waving to the crowd, as Nixon chased him around the ring swinging at air and missing his punches by a mile. Sugar Ray's legs may have been left in the ring years ago,but that night against Nixon in LA, Ray's spindly legs once again reminded us about how he stood head and shoulders above all the rest
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Taking A Little Off The Top

Just off the top of my head:the other day when I talked about Wards Jazzville,the jazz club that relocated from Market Street to Broadway in San Diego,after it got busted so many times by the ABC and the vice squads,the space was rented out in the early 80's by Pop Murphy who opened up his gym named after his late son,Spud Murphy's Gym. You had to walk up a flight of stairs to both the music venue and the gym The building was located on Broadway between 11th and 12 Streets.Around ten years ago developers bought the old building and had it torn down. An office building was constructed on the site.


Archie Moore's old house in Southeast San Diego is now a "swingers" spot for orgies. Funny,every one I've talked to that knows about the place(called Thad's)is unaware that the brick house with the swimming pool in the shape of a boxing glove was the home of Archie Moore. To throw more disbelief on the story,they don't even know who Archie Moore was!

"Loading up" a fighter's gloves used to be a pretty a common practice in Mexico. I imagine it still goes on,but there was a time when trainers weren't very discrete about getting an edge with their fighter. I've read stories about how it would have been impossible for Dempsey to have Plaster of Paris dried in his wraps when he fought Willard. I told you about the time Doc Kearns(who was handling Archie Moore) was in the back office of Bob Johnston's Sport Palace Bar next to the Hollywood Burleque Theater holding court.My father took me in there when I was just a kid and there was Kearns and Johnston.They're all having the time of their lives and then Kearns,probably for the millionth time,retold the story of how he laced Dempsey's mitts. Yeah,I know Kearns had a falling out with Dempsey and the detractors all say it was impossible for Doc to do what he said he did and it was all sour grapes,but you don't have to have a PHD in engineering to pack a little extra punch in a fighter's gloves. James "the Heat" Kinchen described the process to me once. He was on a card in TJ and right out in the open inside the dressing room with all the other fighters, it was like they brought in the cement mixers. The "Heat" talking:first you wrap the hands in gauze.The a wrap of tape. Then a hand towel is dipped in water and the Plaster of Paris is sprinkled on the towel. After it sets and hardens,more tape. Sometimes you can get the effect without even using the Plaster of Paris. Tony Margarito and Panama Lewis I'm sure could open up a school on how to give your fighter the advantage.They could name it "The School Of Hard Knocks" :brick

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The Champion Of Future Dreams

Often managers,trainers,and especially if they are a father of a fighter see everything through rose colored glasses. I coached my son in football and my daughter in cross country(before she got to high school) and I thought they both were sure bets to become All Americas. But after competing at the next level and seeing that the competition was stiffer,the reality set in that I should be happy that they achieved some success and earned a little recognition. But I've seen people around a fighter, that weren't trying to exploit their boy,but truly believed they had the genuine article. Fathers often walk a tight rope when they guide their son's career. I got my grandson into learning how to box at the local gym. Tiger Smalls ran the place. My grandson was beginning to acquire some skills,but I could tell he was no Type A Personality. No matter how adept he got with the sport he would never go far because he wasn't tough enough. That's something that can't be taught.There's no shame in that. Because he wasn't tough enough with boxing doesn't mean he wouldn't step up to the plate if something more serious arose where he had to put it on the line. Remember Riddick Bowe?He was the champ and always wore those red and yellow trunks because he one day wanted to be a Marine and then one day he enlisted in the Corps and washed out in three days.
"I didn't think they were going to yell at me that much,"a disappointed Bowe remarked after got his discharge papers.

I saw a fighter in San Diego who was managed by his dad. His dad had been a fighter. The kid had guts,plenty of them. But he didn't know how to defend himself very well and he was a bleeder.The crowds at the Coliseum loved to see him get in there because he never took a backward step. He never reached the echelon of the best fighters in his division.In the beginning if a fighter is in the syndrome of winning one and then losing one and this keeps going on he needs to be told that boxing isn't for him especially if he's absorbing a lot of punishment even when he wins. I remember some of the fellas' in the boxing community were saying that the father ought to pull his son out of the sport.But the dad thought he had the genuine article. A future champ.

I wrote about this before earlier in the thread. It is one of my biggest regrets.I got a little too smug with my descriptions. Everyone in that circle is gone now. I didn't find out until much later that the son had passed away one night in the gym after a sparring session The son had a son. The fighter's son PM'd me after reading my post and said that he remembered his dad and the gym later that his grand dad opened as having a very warm close knit family atmosphere. He wished he could have known his father longer because he was very young when his dad died. But his grandfather and grandmother replaced the symbiosis he missed with his dad. The son was very discreet when he called my attention to my post. I apologized. I felt like a heel. I still think about it. Ten years ago when I leaped on board on the forum I was full of myself and didn't think things out before I began typing away. I try to be more careful now.

FYI;I was never a fighter or a Marine.
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Where The Action Is

There's talk about legalizing sports gambling in California. The Supreme Court says that it's up to each state to decide if they want to open up the books on betting on sporting events. It doesn't even have to be decided at the polls even.The state legislators will make the call. If that's the case California will become a sycophant of Las Vegas.


There's plenty of sports books across the border in Tijuana. You can see the gamut of the recreational better through to the hardcore gambling degenerate at the many off track casinos in town I like to place a bet from time to time on a fight.The closest place to do that is crossing across the border. You can bet Vegas on line but that doesn't appeal to me. I like to be around cigarette smoke and empty coffee cups,racing forms strewn on the tables,and half eaten stale sandwiches dropped on the floor. I like to watch the gambling addicts ,many who live in rented hole in the wall hotels in the Coahuila,and arise from a previous night of" feeding the horses" and then find their way back to the sports book. There's one in the Coahuila right across the street from the Hong Kong and Adelita Bars .Many of the gamblers are American men.Some cross into the U.S. to work their so so jobs. Some are old timers who get their Social Security and pension checks either deposited in a Mexican bank or a U.S. bank on the other side of the border in San Ysidro. Their routine is as addictive as their gambling habit. Start the day by getting a roll and a cup of coffee at a bakery. If they walked away a winner from the night before,they might get an eye opener at one of the bars that don't open until 10 in the morning. Then with spread sheet in hand,they climb up the stairs to the Caliente Sports book that never shuts its eyes.The book a dismal looking place,not like the fancier more glitzy casinos on Revolution Street or in Plaza Rio. You can go out to the racetrack and see the greyhounds run live and bet in the casino there on anything from Australian football to Formula One Racing But my niche is sitting around a messy room watching guys with a two day's growth and stained teeth, and they all know each other,talk about their Olympian betting adventures of the night before. They're like walking racing form heads. They remember what horse rode in what race and what jock was riding the nag and where he placed crossing the finish line.


I'll be down there to watch the Canelo fight. Though you might think that this is a Reeealy Big Show,to the hardcore gambling degenerate,it's just another bet. There's no sentiment in their wager. Oh,they'll put some money down.You can bet it any way you want.But once the money crosses the seller's window,the attention will shift to another television screen to see maybe the Jai Alai game,or the dog races,or whatever sport is in season. Baseball and basketball are big because there are so many games played everyday.The Canelo fight?All that's important is if he has the winning bet. There's no emotional attatchment. It's like the girls that work on the street or in the bars:pay your money and after you shoot your wad or if you're too drunk and can't make it happen after 20 minutes it's time to put back on your pants.If you want to explore more with the girl you pay more. With all that said,most of those girls won't kiss you. They think kissing is more intimate than screwing.Go figure.

I guess you can say it's all about having fun,but in the end it's just about business. Getting screwed upstairs in the room or getting screwed at the book,it's all about making money. But they know if they lose, they'll be back again tomorrow.

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The old Jai Alai Palace on Rovolution Street. Now one the Caliente Sports Books
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That's awesome. I love Mantequilla. He's one of my favorite fighters. That's a great painting too. He must've really enjoyed that you made that of him and presented him with it. How is he doing these days? Is his mind sharp? I read a sad story a few years ago about him.
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Just about ready to go to the airport. But I thought I'd kill some time surfing the net. I saw this. When I went to Ciudad Juarez 4 years ago I had the good fortune to find my favorite fighter,Jose Napoles.He was sitting out front of his house smoking a Cuban cigar. We swapped stories for about an hour,but before I left I gave him my rendition of the old "Mantequilla."Well this morning I came across this picture. There's "Mantequilla" in his living room with my painting behind him hanging on the wall. I couldn't have been any happier if it was displayed in the Louvre. :TU:
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Just thought I'd say this is the best thread I think anywhere on the web related to sports. Keep up the great work. Been reading for years but only recently started posting. :TU:
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The Garland

Rick Farris's West Coast Boxing Hall of Fame Banquet will take place at the end of September. As always I'll be looking forward to taking it all in. Rick is a good pal and he seats me and my wife at "his" table. Monica,Rick's wife will be there. She's so happy for Rick.Putting on a show like that is very taxing. A lot of money comes out of Rick's pocket to tie things together,but in the end he might have second thoughts about doing it again,but his labor of love will eventually quell any post negative feelings. Dan Hanley,the second in command,does as much as possible,but Dan resides in The Windy City and the contacts are just not there. Dan used to watch the replays of the fights from the Olympic with his dad,Pops,on the tube in Chi Town. He rapidly grew fond of the Mandos and the Reds and the Boys:School and Golden ,the fighters migrating north from Mexico. There wasn't much happening in Chicago on the boxing end.

The event will be held at The Garland Hotel in North Hollywood. The hotel rests on the edge of Studio City and I always think of The Garland being in Studio City. Rick lives a few blocks from The Garland. Rick's dad worked in the studios and Rick followed his path. Between learning his trade as a lighting technician in the film industry and being a fighter during LA's Golden Period of boxing,Rick has a wealth of memories and stories coming from the inside he can share.But going back every year to that area where the streets are named after canyons that wind their way up into the hills,I feel the erosion of a place that once catered to the stars.I ride along Ventura Boulevard today and can't find a decent eatery. It's all these Johnny Come Lately Sushi restaurants or the run on the mill fast food joints. The Boulevard is dirty and dim like the life has been sucked out of it. There's no more Clark Gables or Claire Trevors to catch a glimpse of spinning down the road in a lemon colored T Bird. The School Boys and Golden Boys and Aileen Eaton's baby Mando can only come to view in our minds Mrs. Eaton who threw Mickey Cohen out Olympic was a tough ol' gal with plenty of class to complement her bravado.The Olympic Auditorium is some sort of a Chinese Church now. Uncle Jimmy Lennon ,to the cute little Lennon sisters, whose voice resonated introducing the combatants will remain unforgettable. But that's all gone .


The Garland Hotel is standing. I don't want think of it with superficial adjectives like "tall" and "proud." It's there. The moderate size swimming pool always has a ring around it. The restaurant is overpriced and the food is average. In all the rooms there is a channel on the TV that gives a history of Beverly Garland,the actress who the hotel is named after. Her husband, who was a developer, built the hotel.It has a few hundred rooms.It isn't The Ambassador Hotel,but that structure was torn down years ago. I always watch that documentary of Beverly Garland. That wasn't her real name. She began her screen career in 1950. She was in the first Lone Ranger episode. She wasn't on the top of the marquee like a Liz Taylor or a Kate Hepburn. She was a steady professional who worked on all sides of of film making. Her credits run into the hundreds.She was always one of my favorites.You know how it is if you have a favorite. I like watching her on the screen more than Liz Taylor or Kathryn Hepburn. But Beverly Garland is gone too. Her hotel remains. Ventura Boulevard remains. The building nee the Olympic Auditorium remains But it doesn't look the same. And the people that are gone are only seen in our minds. If I close my eyes I can see everything much better

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The once great Olympic Auditorium. Now A Chinese crosswoed puzzle :lol:
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