Wilder vs. Fury, November 2018, who wins ?

[Sequitorian]

Fury looks like a Jalopy ...

[Thomastearns]

I expect a close fight that could go either way the longer it lasts. But I think Wilder will try to catch Fury in the early rounds before he gets warmed up.

Even though it was much earlier in his career, the times that Fury got knocked down it was always in the early rounds. Granted, Tyson wasnt badly hurt either time but neither of the guys who dropped him hit as hard as Wilder does.

Thanks for putting these clips up.

I think it's worth mentioning that not long after the Cunningham fight Fury switched to a far more awkward and slippery style that he's maintained ever since. He rarely stands flat footed anymore preferring to fight on the back foot, and anyone seeking to knock him out will have to go looking for him. It's no fluke he's hardly taken a serious shot since then.

On the other hand, this current fleet footed style of Fury's also means any future knockouts by him are also highly unlikely too despite whatever he says to the contrary.

Deontay Wilder is certainly quick enough and fast enough to stop Fury but he will have to catch him first because it's unlikely that we will see Fury walking onto a knockdown punch anymore unless Wilder gets very cute indeed.

In fact I'm sure Klitschko would also have dismantled him if he hadn't waited til the 10th round to start fighting. Fury knew it too, hence no rematch. Whatever he may say, it's clear that Tyson Fury is an extremely cautious boxer nowadays.

[gilgamesh]

Thanks for putting these clips up.

I think it's worth mentioning that not long after the Cunningham fight Fury switched to a far more awkward and slippery style that he's maintained ever since. He rarely stands flat footed anymore preferring to fight on the back foot, and anyone seeking to knock him out will have to go looking for him. It's no fluke he's hardly taken a serious shot since then.

On the other hand, this current fleet footed style of Fury's also means any future knockouts by him are also highly unlikely too despite whatever he says to the contrary.

Deontay Wilder is certainly quick enough and fast enough to stop Fury but he will have to catch him first because it's unlikely that we will see Fury walking onto a knockdown punch anymore unless Wilder gets very cute indeed.

In fact I'm sure Klitschko would also have dismantled him if he hadn't waited til the 10th round to start fighting. Fury knew it too, hence no rematch. Whatever he may say, it's clear that Tyson Fury is an extremely cautious boxer nowadays.

Yeah. He's definitely more defensively minded in the ring these days, but his defense is exaggerated a lot by the fact that Wlad simply DIDN'T fight him like you said. You say he "Waited until the 10th round" to start fighting. I must've missed it when he started because I don't recall him doing much of sh*t at any point in that fight.

With the vulnerabilities he shows to overhand rights he'd be in deep sh*t against Earnie Shavers if Earnie was in his era.

Povetkin has a pretty mean overhand right too. Wilder's is more of a straight right, but this is one of the rare cases where he'll be the shorter man so he might kinda wing it a little more here. He does have a tendency to loop his shots wildly when he gets aggressive, and that actually seems to be the best way to catch Fury. Straight shots rarely hit him.

[greg]

..watching this last fight with Pianeta, I thought if Fury keeps poking and pressing his face against that of Wilder, he might be in for a rude awakening..

[lillywhite14]

The worry for me is no uncle Peter. People are underestimating how important he is.

Look at the fights Fury has struggled in, all before Peter got involved and when he couldn’t be in the corner.

[lazboy]

I expect a close fight that could go either way the longer it lasts. But I think Wilder will try to catch Fury in the early rounds before he gets warmed up.

Even though it was much earlier in his career, the times that Fury got knocked down it was always in the early rounds. Granted, Tyson wasnt badly hurt either time but neither of the guys who dropped him hit as hard as Wilder does.

Thanks for putting these clips up.

I think it's worth mentioning that not long after the Cunningham fight Fury switched to a far more awkward and slippery style that he's maintained ever since. He rarely stands flat footed anymore preferring to fight on the back foot, and anyone seeking to knock him out will have to go looking for him. It's no fluke he's hardly taken a serious shot since then.

On the other hand, this current fleet footed style of Fury's also means any future knockouts by him are also highly unlikely too despite whatever he says to the contrary.

Deontay Wilder is certainly quick enough and fast enough to stop Fury but he will have to catch him first because it's unlikely that we will see Fury walking onto a knockdown punch anymore unless Wilder gets very cute indeed.

In fact I'm sure Klitschko would also have dismantled him if he hadn't waited til the 10th round to start fighting. Fury knew it too, hence no rematch. Whatever he may say, it's clear that Tyson Fury is an extremely cautious boxer nowadays.

Nice post. I watched the Cunningham fight not to long ago. Fury brought it. Put the pressure on, stalked and worked over Cunningham esp to the body. It was such a different style to what we see today...I thought maybe he plain hated Cunningham as they had pre fight beef. But if you say he fought like this before...I’ll take your word. Yes He’s far more defensive cautious now.

Wilder though, a very cautious fighter himself if you ask me. Two cautious fighters, one with great power. The other slower and heavier on his feet. Just feel wilder will paw with the jab, take it slow, pot shot that soft body and hurt fury at some stage. Of course I do hope the opposite, I hope fury comes in much better condition but looking at both of them right now, decision made.

[Evander]

The size difference between the two come fight night will likely be around 35-40 pounds in Fury's favour I would have thought.
I'll be surprised if Fury is the all out aggressor, but Tyson has shown he can box quite well on the back foot and could prove difficult for Wilder to hit early.
Question will be what happens when Wilder catches him, Deontay can turn a fight around in the blink of an eye.
Wilder's boxing skills are limited and he doesn't seemed to have worked much on them and relies on quick surprise attacks, but they are effective.
Tyson uses his size very well but as the fight goes on does leave himself open.
It's by no mean an easy pick and it would be wise to wait and see exactly what Tyson Fury weighs in at.

[jezzamundo]

Were this fight to have taken place immediately after Fury's with over Wlad, I'd have no problem picking the big Brit. Now Tyson has battled mental health issues, dug use, obesity and is only two fights into his return. Much like in the fight of the century, it seems unlikely that Fury will be all that he was. That said, if a boxing match breaks out, Wilder won't have more than a puncher's chance. At this point I think it's a 60:40 fight in Wilder's favour - Fury is hard to hit clean but Wilder only has to do it once.

[candyslim]

I agree with every word of that.

[digzee]

Were this fight to have taken place immediately after Fury's with over Wlad, I'd have no problem picking the big Brit. Now Tyson has battled mental health issues, dug use, obesity and is only two fights into his return. Much like in the fight of the century, it seems unlikely that Fury will be all that he was. That said, if a boxing match breaks out, Wilder won't have more than a puncher's chance. At this point I think it's a 60:40 fight in Wilder's favour - Fury is hard to hit clean but Wilder only has to do it once.

Wilder wouldn't have fought that version of Fury though as he knew he was too good, Fury went to Wilders backyard and called him out in the ring after his fight but Wilder didn't make any offers at that time. Wilder has played a blinder getting Fury when he's nowhere near his best, he's gonna have an easy nights work and knock him out and make out like its an amazing win.

[Crease]

I think Fury might win this on points...

[dickbelden]

line change---midpoint---WILDER now 7-5 over FURY---5dimes.

[candyslim]

Were this fight to have taken place immediately after Fury's with over Wlad, I'd have no problem picking the big Brit. Now Tyson has battled mental health issues, dug use, obesity and is only two fights into his return. Much like in the fight of the century, it seems unlikely that Fury will be all that he was. That said, if a boxing match breaks out, Wilder won't have more than a puncher's chance. At this point I think it's a 60:40 fight in Wilder's favour - Fury is hard to hit clean but Wilder only has to do it once.

Wilder wouldn't have fought that version of Fury though as he knew he was too good, Fury went to Wilders backyard and called him out in the ring after his fight but Wilder didn't make any offers at that time. Wilder has played a blinder getting Fury when he's nowhere near his best, he's gonna have an easy nights work and knock him out and make out like its an amazing win.

I agree with that too. If Fury wants to get a fight with Wilder, then appearing to be easy meat is probably his best or only chance of securing it. The problem is there is a very fine line between appearing to be easy meat, and actually being easy meat, and not even Tyson can be sure which side of the line he'll be by fight time.

I love Deontay when he's in the ring. Few heavyweights have ever been as entertaining or as exciting. As a champion between fights however, he leaves a lot to be desired, and I'd love to see him restored to the status of hungry contender leaving the WBC title in the possession of someone a little less risk-averse.

[DrDuke]

Were this fight to have taken place immediately after Fury's with over Wlad, I'd have no problem picking the big Brit. Now Tyson has battled mental health issues, dug use, obesity and is only two fights into his return. Much like in the fight of the century, it seems unlikely that Fury will be all that he was. That said, if a boxing match breaks out, Wilder won't have more than a puncher's chance. At this point I think it's a 60:40 fight in Wilder's favour - Fury is hard to hit clean but Wilder only has to do it once.

I thought in a similar way after Seferi. But after Pianeta I'm more confident in Fury and gonna pick him to win.

[candyslim]

Kevin "Kingpin" Johnson is now well past his best and considered suitable 'food' for 20 year old Daniel Dubois. He is not so far past his best that he couldn't stop Pianeta in 7 rounds recently though.

That should give you a good indication as to how much of a threat Pianeta was likely to pose to Tyson Fury, and I wouldn't read too much into his triumph if I were you.

Pianeta managed to hit Fury a few times. I 'm sure the same feat will not prove to be beyond Deontay's capabilities. The difference is - unlike Mr. Piano-shifter when Deontay hits them they tend to stay hit.

[DrDuke]

Kevin "Kingpin" Johnson is now well past his best and considered suitable 'food' for 20 year old Daniel Dubois. He is not so far past his best that he couldn't stop Pianeta in 7 rounds recently though.

That should give you a good indication as to how much of a threat Pianeta was likely to pose to Tyson Fury, and I wouldn't read too much into his triumph if I were you.

Pianeta managed to hit Fury a few times. I 'm sure the same feat will not prove to be beyond Deontay's capabilities. The difference is - unlike Mr. Piano-shifter when Deontay hits them they tend to stay hit.

Seferi was no more dangerous, than Pianeta, still Fury wasn't that convincing against him. Of course, Wilder is better, than both of them together, but Fury is likely to be ready.

[marvelous marv]

Fury was okay versus Pianetta, he showed much improvement since his last outing. I know he was only hit 35 times by Pianetta but there were times when he made defensive mistakes and got caught cleanly. That cant happen against Wilder.

I also thought his conditioning started to fade later in the fight. He came in within 10 pounds of his Klitschko weight so that aspect should be fine by November.

Fighting Wilder is difficult because he fights differently against different opponents. There's the cautious version like early against Ortiz. There's the aggressive version when he doesn't respect an opponent's power, like against Duhaupas. And shades in between. It's hard to prepare for an unknown quantity that is evolving.

[candyslim]

Kevin "Kingpin" Johnson is now well past his best and considered suitable 'food' for 20 year old Daniel Dubois. He is not so far past his best that he couldn't stop Pianeta in 7 rounds recently though.

That should give you a good indication as to how much of a threat Pianeta was likely to pose to Tyson Fury, and I wouldn't read too much into his triumph if I were you.

Pianeta managed to hit Fury a few times. I 'm sure the same feat will not prove to be beyond Deontay's capabilities. The difference is - unlike Mr. Piano-shifter when Deontay hits them they tend to stay hit.

Seferi was no more dangerous, than Pianeta, still Fury wasn't that convincing against him. Of course, Wilder is better, than both of them together, but Fury is likely to be ready.

I really don't know where your faith comes from but I hope you are right. It should be a pick 'em fight and I don't want to see it reduced to a mismatch because it's been rushed into.

[DrDuke]

Kevin "Kingpin" Johnson is now well past his best and considered suitable 'food' for 20 year old Daniel Dubois. He is not so far past his best that he couldn't stop Pianeta in 7 rounds recently though.

That should give you a good indication as to how much of a threat Pianeta was likely to pose to Tyson Fury, and I wouldn't read too much into his triumph if I were you.

Pianeta managed to hit Fury a few times. I 'm sure the same feat will not prove to be beyond Deontay's capabilities. The difference is - unlike Mr. Piano-shifter when Deontay hits them they tend to stay hit.

Seferi was no more dangerous, than Pianeta, still Fury wasn't that convincing against him. Of course, Wilder is better, than both of them together, but Fury is likely to be ready.

I really don't know where your faith comes from but I hope you are right. It should be a pick 'em fight and I don't want to see it reduced to a mismatch because it's been rushed into.

Well, I judge by the good performance in his last fight. Of course, as I've already said, the opponent was by miles far from being the best, but at least Fury was good. That's like before Klitschko. He stepped up in the level, when faced Wlad. He had never faced someone close in the level prior to that fight. In his last fight he was about the same as in Hammer bout, for example. So, probably he's ready for big challenges.

[candyslim]

Bermane Stiverne didn't have a warm up before his challenge ( stop sniggering when I say 'challenge' ) against Wilder, but even he might have looked good against Pianeta.

Probably not actually, but I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make. Just because Francesco "Heavy bag" Pianeta made Fury look semi-decent, doesn't mean Deontay won't dismantle him in the time it takes to utter the words "USS Cunningham".

[DrDuke]

Bermane Stiverne didn't have a warm up before his challenge ( stop sniggering when I say 'challenge' ) against Wilder, but even he might have looked good against Pianeta.

Probably not actually, but I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make. Just because Francesco "Heavy bag" Pianeta made Fury look semi-decent, doesn't mean Deontay won't dismantle him in the time it takes to utter the words "USS Cunningham".

Of course, what I'm telling is just a probability. My opinion. To say with a bigger evidence behind my words, I need to see Fury fighting someone tougher. But still he wasn't able to fight like that against even a less tough guy just the bout before, as I've already pointed out. Fury being ready for Wilder is a probability. Fury improving is the fact. It not absolutely clear, if he improves enough for Wilder, but I believe he does.

[Cyclops]

Fury is going to win. I don’t know in what fashion, I would assume points, but I wouldn’t put a KO past him. He’s just fucked about his comeback fights, like he fucked about in most of his fights against subpar opposition. I’m not really much of a fan but I really don’t think this is a Haye replay comeback money grab. Fury is this weird anomaly and Wilder is not a good boxer. He actually boxed against Stiverne to win the title, so people that say he’s just a puncher and that’s it aren’t looking at the big picture, but he’s still not that good. I think Hearn and AJ were trying to string the fight out to build him as this dangerous mega opponent, but they lost out hyping it too much. It’s going to be an interesting watch, but I think team Wilder have gotten played here.

[candyslim]

When people talk about Wilder being a puncher it's because they recognize that while he can box, he's just not very good at it. Even the much shorter and unremarkable, Artut Szpilka managed to outbox Wilder, as did many other opponents but they all ended up having a shorter evening than they planned.

I think Tyson will too but I'd love to be wrong.