RARE & HARD TO FIND OLD FIGHTS

[chrisjs1985]

Hoping this thread can be used to locate some rare and hard to find fights. I heard there was a thread but I can't find it.

Also, even if we can't locate certain fights it would be greatly appreciated if someone who has seen them can describe what the fight looked like and how it wen't etc; I'm 33 so most of the fights in my lifetime and time as a Boxing fan can be found easily enough on film.

An era that I am particularly in love with is the Bantamweight era of the 1950's-1970's. My favorite fighter from before my lifetime is Eder Jofre and Ruben Olivares is also a personal favorite. Many of Olivares' fights are available on film but there's a few that I'd love to see that I've never seen or been able to locate such as the following fights :- Chucho Castillo III, Rafael Herrera II, Alan Rudkin. Jofre is another story. I have only four full fights of his : - Jose Medel I, Fighting Harada I & II, Jose Legra. The Legra one is super rare and I can try and upload it for those that would be interested. It's from a telecast from Spain as it was never telecast in Brazil. The story on why there's so few Jofre fights I was told is that the TV station in Brazil burned down in the 80's and with all that lost so many fights and so much footage. The Legra telecast was from Spain so you'd perhaps hope maybe in England the Caldwell full fight can be found and same for the Rollo fight in Italy. There's so many other fights I'd love to see from that time like Medel vs. Pimentel for example. I really love reading that classic west coast boxign thread because sometimes there's stories on these fights that can't be found.

Any insight or help would be greatly appreciated. It's been a hard search and have contacted numerous people for the last 15 or 16 years in my search. Even the Brazilian's I know I've had them ask around and see if they can point me in the direction but to no avail. Somewhere out there someone has them though.

[chrisjs1985]

For those interested here's the write-up I did on the fight.

It was a good fight. Legra had a very awkward style. Tall, rangy and excellent speed and movement. Jofre fought really well. He was technical, aggressive but always defensively responsible. I scored it 9-6 in rounds for Jofre or 143-139 in points (Legra lost two points for deductions, got one for the KD). A scorecard of 8-7 Jofre is acceptable but it's hard to see Legra winning the fight especially given the points lost.

It's close all the way. First two are very even and then Legra wins the 3rd with the KD. Jofre, to his credit actually hurts Legra in the next round which is a great round. It's then literally swapping rounds until the 9th. Legra's not a great infighter so Jofre won the action there and with the cleaner shots, but Legra wins some frames with his busy style. Jofre won the majority of the rounds from 9-13 IMO but it's competitive all the way. Round 14 has great drama. Legra hits him with a great body shot and had no idea he'd hurt Jofre but Jofre couldn't hide the pain and really has to tough it out. Again to his credit he really comes back and probably did enough to edge the last round too.

Very good fight. Legra does tend to clinch a little bit and try and smoother Jofre's work at times but definitely showed some real quality. I think that version of Legra would have been a real handful for some of the greats in the division like Sanchez, Marquez, Barrera etc;

My scorecard

Round 1 Jofre 10-9
Round 2 Legra 10-9
Round 3 Legra 10-8
Round 4 Jofre 10-9
Round 5 Jofre 10-8 (point deducted)
Round 6 Jofre 10-9
Round 7 Legra 10-9
Round 8 Jofre 10-9
Round 9 Legra 10-9
Round 10 Legra 10-9
Round 11 Jofre 10-9
Round 12 Jofre 10-9
Round 13 Jofre 10-9
Round 14 Legra 10-9
Round 15 Jofre 10-8 (point deducted)

9-6 or 143-139 in points. A lot of close rounds.

[Woller]

I have just watched the Jofre v Legra fight. I take a different route, but ends up with a score of 143 - 140 almost like yours. I score two rounds even, Even rounds were perfectly all right according to the rules of that time. I have scored round four 10-8 for Jofre, but only scored the 14th round 10-9 for Legra, as Jofre came back later in the round. Another observation is that I have never seen a man miss so many left jabs as Legre does.

You are right about rare fights that are hard to get. Besides the four complete Jofre fights, I have only seen 1-2 minute clips of other fights. I have always been looking for the Olivares v. Rudkin fight, but never found it. Not even a small newsreel bit.

[klompton]

I have 10 minutes of Jofre-Caldwell.

[chrisjs1985]

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[klompton]

I have 10 minutes of Jofre-Caldwell.

Oh wow. Really? All I have is the footage on the "O Grande Campeao" DVD. Do you have the ability to upload that?

Sure, just send me $800 via paypal first.

[chrisjs1985]

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[Petu v.d. Pajm]

It's not a very good copy but I got Ruben Olivares vs Rafael Herrera II.

Originates from Danish collector and dates back some 3 decades...

[chrisjs1985]

It's not a very good copy but I got Ruben Olivares vs Rafael Herrera II.

Originates from Danish collector and dates back some 3 decades...

How is that fight? Does the collector still trade?

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

It's a good fight, complete too....

No idea about the person anymore - no address / contact info left.

[chrisjs1985]

It's a good fight, complete too....

No idea about the person anymore - no address / contact info left.

Fair decision? The first fight Herrera really whitewashed him. I heard the second was closer but that Herrera was the better man again.

[klompton]

Oh wow. Really? All I have is the footage on the "O Grande Campeao" DVD. Do you have the ability to upload that?

Sure, just send me $800 via paypal first.

Bit steep. Does that come with Jofre's full career set?

So I take it you weren't serious about wanting RARE footage. You want someone to send you a free link to a youtube film you haven't been able to find yourself. Rare and free are mutually exclusive.

[chrisjs1985]

Sure, just send me $800 via paypal first.

Bit steep. Does that come with Jofre's full career set?

Yes I am but $800 is insane.

I am going to post Jofre-Legra for free personally but that’s just me.

So I take it you weren't serious about wanting RARE footage. You want someone to send you a free link to a youtube film you haven't been able to find yourself. Rare and free are mutually exclusive.

[klompton]

And you can thank me for neing able to post Jofre Legra for free. I found it and paid to have it transferred. But sorry, $800 for something youve never seen and never will is a great deal. Do you go on baseball card forums and ask for rare baseball cards for free? What about a car collectors forum? A rare vintage wine? No? Didnt think so. Like I said, rare and free are mutually exclusive. The only reason you are so reckless with Jofre-Legra is because you have so little invested in it. My guess is that if you spent thousands on your “rare” fights you might begin to question the sense of spending that kind of money and then posting it online for free, thereby subsidizing the hobby of others. Its selfless but it wouldnt happen because suddenly your collection would have an inherent value to you, whereas right now it has none because you have no investment in it. Which means its not rare or hard to find.

[chrisjs1985]

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[Woller]

Be careful trading with Klompton.
I am still waiting after something like five years for return of the fights I sent him.
I could be wrong but I recommend that you ask him to send first.

[chrisjs1985]

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[chrisjs1985]

Be careful trading with Klompton.
I am still waiting after something like five years for return of the fights I sent him.
I could be wrong but I recommend that you ask him to send first.

Thanks for the heads up.

[evrenb]

Be careful trading with Klompton.
I am still waiting after something like five years for return of the fights I sent him.
I could be wrong but I recommend that you ask him to send first.

Thanks for the heads up. Yeah I got the impression he’s a bit of a phony trying to rob others. Thanks for confirming.

I must interject and say that in my many years dealing with Klompton I have never had an issue. If it wasn't for him, many of the fights that you may watch for free on YouTube would not be possible. This has obviously come at huge costs and many hours of research, negotiating and building trust with contacts.

Anyway I'm not being a nuthugger just balancing the views.

[Woller]

It can easy be me that were just unlucky. First trade went okay, but I am still waiting for the second set of dvd´s to arrive.
5-6 years.

[adislav123]

Did you just plain wait for 6 years? Or set any action to get back your fights?

[klompton]

Be careful trading with Klompton.
I am still waiting after something like five years for return of the fights I sent him.
I could be wrong but I recommend that you ask him to send first.

Something you wanted IN ADDITION to our agreed upon trade. I still have the emails to prove it if you care to have them released. No? I didnt think so. I dont give things away Soren. Its deadbeats like you and the spaniard who tried to extort more footage out of me or release Jofre-Legra that I dont trade anymore.

[klompton]

Get off your high horse. You have no idea what I’ve put into my fight collection so stop passing judgement and stay out of the thread if that’s your attitude.

You are not selling me with that attitude and those prices. $800? If you were remotely reasonable you’d have maybe had a customer. Anyway as it is I’ve been put into contact with somebody that has extended footage of the Caldwell fight so I think I’m good. Thanks for the offer though. Regarding baseball, wine, cars etc; I wouldn’t know I don’t go on those forums.

And you can thank me for neing able to post Jofre Legra for free. I found it and paid to have it transferred. But sorry, $800 for something youve never seen and never will is a great deal. Do you go on baseball card forums and ask for rare baseball cards for free? What about a car collectors forum? A rare vintage wine? No? Didnt think so. Like I said, rare and free are mutually exclusive. The only reason you are so reckless with Jofre-Legra is because you have so little invested in it. My guess is that if you spent thousands on your “rare” fights you might begin to question the sense of spending that kind of money and then posting it online for free, thereby subsidizing the hobby of others. Its selfless but it wouldnt happen because suddenly your collection would have an inherent value to you, whereas right now it has none because you have no investment in it. Which means its not rare or hard to find.

No, I wouldnt have had a customer because I wouldnt sell to you. I was pointing out and maintain that anyone going around asking for rare fights and unwilling to pay for them has an uphill climb. I dont need to know "What youve put into your collection" your comments tell me everything: NOTHING. When youve invested tens of thousands in your collection, in a year, then lets see how free and easy you are with it.

[klompton]

It can easy be me that were just unlucky. First trade went okay, but I am still waiting for the second set of dvd´s to arrive.
5-6 years.

Dont fornicating lie Soren. Thats a god damned bold faced lie and you know it. We made exactly ONE trade. ONE. During that ONE trade I told you I was in the process of trying to get Griffith-Christensen. You said you were interested. I said I would let you know when I got it. I got that film AFTER our ONLY trade had been completed to everyone's satisfaction. When I told you I received Griffith-Christensen you started acting like I had promised it to you as part of our ONE trade. I had not. You immediately started going on forums and slagging me off like you are doing now. Saying that I hadnt delivered. Thats bullshit and you know it. Sorry but as you and others have found out extortion does not work with me. I deal with serious collectors all of the time. Not hobbyists, not people who come on boxrec and post a single fight theyve wormed out of somebody so they can get their 15 minutes of fame. None of those guys who are actually serious and actually understands how this business works will come on here say that Ive been anything but completely professional and discreet. The only people who will bash me are the ones like yourself or this twat who want something for nothing. Or the guys who contact me on a daily basis wanted to trade something they captured off of youtube for something I paid $1000 dollars for.

[chrisjs1985]

Please point me to the part where I said I’m unwilling to pay or that I want something for free. I didn’t say that at all. Also to say I put nothing into my selection is a lie. Like I said you have no idea and are passing judgment. You come across as very petty, arrogant and too quick to jump to conclusions. I’ve put a LOT into my collection and I know me better than you know me. Trust me.

Anyway like I said just stay out of the thread. I want pleasant people to talk about rare and hard to find fights and you’ve attempted to derail the thread due to being an arrogant prick. Please point me to the part of me asking for something for free and/or saying I’m unwilling to pay. That’s another lie like what you’ve done to that other poster who says you ripped him off.

Get off your high horse. You have no idea what I’ve put into my fight collection so stop passing judgement and stay out of the thread if that’s your attitude.

You are not selling me with that attitude and those prices. $800? If you were remotely reasonable you’d have maybe had a customer. Anyway as it is I’ve been put into contact with somebody that has extended footage of the Caldwell fight so I think I’m good. Thanks for the offer though. Regarding baseball, wine, cars etc; I wouldn’t know I don’t go on those forums.

And you can thank me for neing able to post Jofre Legra for free. I found it and paid to have it transferred. But sorry, $800 for something youve never seen and never will is a great deal. Do you go on baseball card forums and ask for rare baseball cards for free? What about a car collectors forum? A rare vintage wine? No? Didnt think so. Like I said, rare and free are mutually exclusive. The only reason you are so reckless with Jofre-Legra is because you have so little invested in it. My guess is that if you spent thousands on your “rare” fights you might begin to question the sense of spending that kind of money and then posting it online for free, thereby subsidizing the hobby of others. Its selfless but it wouldnt happen because suddenly your collection would have an inherent value to you, whereas right now it has none because you have no investment in it. Which means its not rare or hard to find.

No, I wouldnt have had a customer because I wouldnt sell to you. I was pointing out and maintain that anyone going around asking for rare fights and unwilling to pay for them has an uphill climb. I dont need to know "What youve put into your collection" your comments tell me everything: NOTHING. When youve invested tens of thousands in your collection, in a year, then lets see how free and easy you are with it.