If he was American he'd be the best thing since sliced bread in their eyes, if he was Ukrainian the 'hardcores' would be all over him. Being with Hearn makes him an easy target.
That sounds to me like you're making excuses for a loss already. He has a decent amount of time to get fit, and he beat Wlad after a layoff. I've said it before: 2015 Fury will go down in forum history as the new '88 Tyson. Even if he's knocked out in the first, people'll still say ‘Ah, but it wasn't prime Fury’. He's what, 30 now? That's hardly 76-year-old Louis versus Marciano.
I agree with that, but I also think that most trainers are terrible! Fury does make mistakes, but his height, mobility and reach have kept him from being punished for them for years. Joshua and Wilder are close to his size, though, so if ever there's been a time to review those flaws...
to me one of the funniest things is how wilder, who spent year after year fighting absolute trash, and 32 fights in was still fighting jason gavern, has now become (esp. with americans) the risk taking guy who really wants all the toughest fights. hell, even his manager said when he was 30 and 33-0 and he was still going to be taking baby steps! i mean, you have ppl like mickey who trash povetkin and say hes old, but ffs after 39 year old ortiz wilders best opponent is f@cking bermane stiverne, who was like 37 too. and of course furys best win was over a guy even older then povetkin, and then his next best are an old career cruiser and then chis and hammer.
Right on.jamamb wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 22:48to me one of the funniest things is how wilder, who spent year after year fighting absolute trash, and 32 fights in was still fighting jason gavern, has now become (esp. with americans) the risk taking guy who really wants all the toughest fights. hell, even his manager said when he was 30 and 33-0 and he was still going to be taking baby steps! i mean, you have ppl like mickey who trash povetkin and say hes old, but ffs after 39 year old ortiz wilders best opponent is f@cking bermane stiverne, who was like 37 too. and of course furys best win was over a guy even older then povetkin, and then his next best are an old career cruiser and then chis and hammer.
compare where aj is after not even 5 years to where wilder was and even fury. and they all had about the same number of am fights, although fury started boxing before the others did.
by far aj has been moved the most ambitiously, and hes clearly won every time and only 1 guy has even heard the final bell vs him. look at any hw top 15 and aj has clearly fought the most guys up there. wlad, whyte, parker, breazeale, takam, and now povetkin, who is still top 5 and has one of the best records in the division
Thing is, Lennox Lewis probably bored the tits off of the casuals with his dominant victory over David Tua. Still doesn’t mean it’s not a good win!
It’s not just American fans. You’ve got some of the self styled hardcore boxing fans over here in the UK saying he’s not this or that etc, then again I think they just like going against what’s popular.
You'll get no argument from me on that score. I think he'll give Povetkin a bad beating.lillywhite14 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 04:12Thing is, Lennox Lewis probably bored the tits off of the casuals with his dominant victory over David Tua. Still doesn’t mean it’s not a good win!
Joshua beat Takam and Parker more comfortably than anyone ever has beaten them or will beat them. Barely broke sweat.
Its not about Furys age its about what he's done to his body. Ricky Hatton was only 34 when he came back and lost to Senchenko, a man he would've wrecked if he hadn't been out of the ring for a 3 year drink and drug binge. Fury has fucked his body up and will end up like Ricky.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 22:21That sounds to me like you're making excuses for a loss already. He has a decent amount of time to get fit, and he beat Wlad after a layoff. I've said it before: 2015 Fury will go down in forum history as the new '88 Tyson. Even if he's knocked out in the first, people'll still say ‘Ah, but it wasn't prime Fury’. He's what, 30 now? That's hardly 76-year-old Louis versus Marciano.
That doesn't actually mean I disagree with you, because if Fury turns up fat then it would greatly diminish a Wilder win, but that's Fury's responsibility, and we'll have to wait and see. For all Wilder knows it could be the best version of Fury who turns up.
Yeh the resumes between AJ and Wilder are night and day, you can poke holes in most boxers resumes but Wilders resume has got more holes than a strainer. Wilder is 3 months away from being a 10 year veteran!!! Imagine what AJ's record will look like in another 5 years....jamamb wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 22:48to me one of the funniest things is how wilder, who spent year after year fighting absolute trash, and 32 fights in was still fighting jason gavern, has now become (esp. with americans) the risk taking guy who really wants all the toughest fights. hell, even his manager said when he was 30 and 33-0 and he was still going to be taking baby steps! i mean, you have ppl like mickey who trash povetkin and say hes old, but ffs after 39 year old ortiz wilders best opponent is f@cking bermane stiverne, who was like 37 too. and of course furys best win was over a guy even older then povetkin, and then his next best are an old career cruiser and then chis and hammer.
compare where aj is after not even 5 years to where wilder was and even fury. and they all had about the same number of am fights, although fury started boxing before the others did.
by far aj has been moved the most ambitiously, and hes clearly won every time and only 1 guy has even heard the final bell vs him. look at any hw top 15 and aj has clearly fought the most guys up there. wlad, whyte, parker, breazeale, takam, and now povetkin, who is still top 5 and has one of the best records in the division
We'll see, but Fury isn't coming back after mentally damaging losses, and Hatton was ballooning in-between fights for a lot longer. 30's the end of the road for most Mexican feathers, but lots of modern heavies are peaking around then.digzee wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 08:24Its not about Furys age its about what he's done to his body. Ricky Hatton was only 34 when he came back and lost to Senchenko, a man he would've wrecked if he hadn't been out of the ring for a 3 year drink and drug binge. Fury has fucked his body up and will end up like Ricky.
AJ hasn’t stepped as high as the 2015 version of Wlad.coneye wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 20:59 Plus , Hatton was brought up with a lot of easy fights , He beat Kosta , when he was coming of a serious shoulder injury and a 2 year lay off , and even then he had a lot of help from the referee , He stepped up to real world level against Mayweather and Paccy and got found out there was nothing speciel about them ko's , just top level guys who were good enough and quick enough to step to the side and land a big one on a guy who was rushing and brawling ,
Fury well some would say he was brought along on puddings , BUT when he stepped up he won ,, Interesting thing is AJ stepped up a lot more and keeps winning
Mickey, almost all your post are anti-AJ. mixed with blind Fury love. It is possible to like both of them.mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 06:33AJ hasn’t stepped as high as the 2015 version of Wlad.coneye wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 20:59 Plus , Hatton was brought up with a lot of easy fights , He beat Kosta , when he was coming of a serious shoulder injury and a 2 year lay off , and even then he had a lot of help from the referee , He stepped up to real world level against Mayweather and Paccy and got found out there was nothing speciel about them ko's , just top level guys who were good enough and quick enough to step to the side and land a big one on a guy who was rushing and brawling ,
Fury well some would say he was brought along on puddings , BUT when he stepped up he won ,, Interesting thing is AJ stepped up a lot more and keeps winning
Almost all? Highly unlikely, Keith. I was just stating fact.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 07:03Mickey, almost all your post are anti-AJ. mixed with blind Fury love. It is possible to like both of them.mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 06:33AJ hasn’t stepped as high as the 2015 version of Wlad.coneye wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 20:59 Plus , Hatton was brought up with a lot of easy fights , He beat Kosta , when he was coming of a serious shoulder injury and a 2 year lay off , and even then he had a lot of help from the referee , He stepped up to real world level against Mayweather and Paccy and got found out there was nothing speciel about them ko's , just top level guys who were good enough and quick enough to step to the side and land a big one on a guy who was rushing and brawling ,
Fury well some would say he was brought along on puddings , BUT when he stepped up he won ,, Interesting thing is AJ stepped up a lot more and keeps winning
But you don't like AJ though, do you? Is it coz he's a gorger like you and me?mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 11:18Almost all? Highly unlikely, Keith. I was just stating fact.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 07:03Mickey, almost all your post are anti-AJ. mixed with blind Fury love. It is possible to like both of them.
Grow up.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 11:25But you don't like AJ though, do you? Is it coz he's a gorger like you and me?mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 11:18Almost all? Highly unlikely, Keith. I was just stating fact.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 07:03
Mickey, almost all your post are anti-AJ. mixed with blind Fury love. It is possible to like both of them.
So you like Joshua?mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 11:35Grow up.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 11:25But you don't like AJ though, do you? Is it coz he's a gorger like you and me?
No, haven’t since the 2012 olympics.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 12:11So you like Joshua?mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 11:35Grow up.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 11:25
But you don't like AJ though, do you? Is it coz he's a gorger like you and me?
Mate, you’ve said this about twenty times in the last few days....jamamb wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 13:46 hey mick, why u single aj out for fighting opponent over 35 when by far fury and wilders best wins were over guys in there late 30s.
why you say team aj could learn about ambitious matchmaking from team wilder, the team of a guy who 6-7 years in at 32-0 fought jason gavern, and who shelly said needed baby steps even when he was 30 years old and 33-0?
you just seem like a salty #hater sometimes
