Mayorga chances v De La Hoya

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 03 May 2006, 00:09

Ben Keilty wrote:DeLaHoya by mid round Ko. Mayorga is even more limited than Gatti and he got totally flogged. Mayorga will be made to look like an amature.

altho i dont think oscar can dent mayorga's solid chin, i do think he can EASILY outbox a guy who looked like an amateur against cory spinks, who, at his best is not in oscar's league (even a slightly faded oscar that comes in with a long layoff)

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shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 03 May 2006, 00:12

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:mayorga has no chance.

de la hoya is an all time great and mayorga is just a slugger with a big mouth.

how dare he challenge de la hoya with his primitive skills. de la hoya by a late stoppage.
DLH is a part time boxer who hasn't looked impressive in quite some time. He lost to Sturm and got a gift decision and was finished with one punch by Hopkins.

I won't be that surprised if DLH loses.
oscar has always been good against face first sluggers like mayorga.

think de la hoya-campas and this fight will be similar.

i'm getting in the beers and pringles and looking forward to see mayorga handed a lesson.

let the class begin.

ah yes...yori boy campas...mayorga even makes old yori boy look like a skilled boxer!!

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 03 May 2006, 00:52

shoutout2u wrote:
Ben Keilty wrote:DeLaHoya by mid round Ko. Mayorga is even more limited than Gatti and he got totally flogged. Mayorga will be made to look like an amature.
altho i dont think oscar can dent mayorga's solid chin, i do think he can EASILY outbox a guy who looked like an amateur against cory spinks, who, at his best is not in oscar's league (even a slightly faded oscar that comes in with a long layoff) !!!

Maybe he wont stop him but i can only see a one sided beating. Mayorga will lose all hope after a few rounds and after being stopped by Tito he showed he is not as tough as he talks himself up to be.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 03 May 2006, 04:07

Big difference between Tito's and Oscar's power. De la Hoya isn't a bad puncher at light middle but doesn't have the punch he did at the lower weights. I don't think he'll be able to stop Mayorga unless it's very late

De La Hoya wide UD. Too many skills, too good a chin

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 03 May 2006, 09:29

Ben Keilty wrote: Mayorga will lose all hope after a few rounds and after being stopped by Tito he showed he is not as tough as he talks himself up to be.

What, because he didn't take another 6 rounds of nuclear bombs bouncing off his chin he's not tough?? You have to be joking.

Anyone who lets Trinidad take two or three free shots to his chin and is still standing is definitely tough mate.

Dumb yes, but still hard as nails.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 03 May 2006, 09:41

DLH was able to KO a steroid enhanced Vargas who is naturally bigger than Mayorga, so he can sure KO Mayorga.

The way Castillijello got screwed over and was stripped so King could have a title holder though.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 03 May 2006, 10:21

Vargas doesn't hold a shot anywhere near as well as Mayorga does.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 03 May 2006, 10:24

DLH was still able to stop a naturally bigger fighter than Mayorga though.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 03 May 2006, 10:32

stujones wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:Mayorga has a shot at winning this - those heavy hands could cause ODH to have a major rethink as to why he's still boxing these days. Surely he doesn't need the cash, and beating Mayorga wont add anything to his legacy - what's the point of this fight from Oscar's P.O.V?

Mayorga says Oscar took a dive against Hopkins....anyone else thought Oscar pounding the canvas in frustration looked a little.....fake? 8)
No chance, the guy was gutted... He was in the fight and I actually think might have been saving himself for a big finale.

This is interesting, i wasn't considering it myself but i was at this fight and there were a few voices on the plane home suggesting Oscar took a dive.

As for this fight i give Mayorga a serious chance, he is fit, wild and crude and don't forget Oscar has been seriously inactive lately and hasn't looked impressive for a long time. If Mayorga cranks up the pressure and starts winging away can Oscar take it? Remember how he tired late against Mosley and that was 3 odd years ago. If Oscar had a whack on him he might be able to keep Mayorga at bay but he has never been a massive hitter and Mayorga takes a good dig. Not that i want DLH to lose far from it but i think this is far from a formality and a definate live fight.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 03 May 2006, 15:06

I'm not really interested in this fight to be honest.

I think DLH will beat Mayorga though. He'll box his ears off. But really, who cares at this stage of their careers?

JC · Post by JC » 03 May 2006, 15:07

Max Molyneux wrote:DLH was able to KO a steroid enhanced Vargas who is naturally bigger than Mayorga, so he can sure KO Mayorga.

The way Castillijello got screwed over and was stripped so King could have a title holder though.

Steroids don't improve your chin.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 04 May 2006, 04:58

MightyWarrior wrote:
Ben Keilty wrote: Mayorga will lose all hope after a few rounds and after being stopped by Tito he showed he is not as tough as he talks himself up to be.
What, because he didn't take another 6 rounds of nuclear bombs bouncing off his chin he's not tough?? You have to be joking.

Anyone who lets Trinidad take two or three free shots to his chin and is still standing is definitely tough mate.

Dumb yes, but still hard as nails.

If DeLaHoya starts to totally out box him all his toughness will go, Duran was tough as nails and he quit. When a fighter is getting beat up and totally outclassed all his toughness seems to disappear.

Also when he stuck his chin out he knew the punch was coming it is a lot easier to take a punch when you see it coming.

bugs · Post by **bugs** » 04 May 2006, 05:14

I cant see DLH stopping Mayorga, he is not a huge puncher, and I doubt he has enough hunger and maybe energy left to pressure Mayorga to a ref stoppage. I can see three possible endings to this; Mayorga gets disqualified, Mayora stops DLH with wild flurries or DLH wins on points (most likely, although whether it will be fair is another matter). I will proably put a few quid on the Mayorga stoppage and cover it a bit with a bet on DLH points.

Mensa07 · Post by **Mensa07** » 04 May 2006, 05:24

Also when he stuck his chin out he knew the punch was coming it is a lot easier to take a punch when you see it coming.

seen it coming or not its still a flush left hook from Tito Trinidad, easy for spectators and Larry Merchant to dismiss as 'easy to take' but probably not so easy to taste one yourself.

DLH did take Vargas out but Mayorga's resistance is 100x that of Vargas. Vargas had his chances early on in that fight though, he nearly had DLH out of the ropes at one stage. Speed kills though and I can see DLH busting up Mayorga's face but not really hurting him, while Oscar SHOULD have enough smarts to avoid Mayorga's looping overhands and wild hooks.

THis is providing though DLH hasn't lost a step or two while he's been off, and doesn't comply with Mayorgas wishes for a toe-to-toe standoff. If he does he could be in trouble, but then again if he boxes smart he could 'win the fight lost the night' kind of thing. So in conclusion, I've no idea whats going to happen. cheers.

Boxing Addict · Post by **Boxing Addict** » 05 May 2006, 05:43

De La Hoya will have to be on top form to win

No doubt that this will be a cracker and it is definately a live fight!!

Trinidad's win doesn't mean anything - it was at middleweight! I reckon De La Hoya too would get beaten by trinidad at middleweight if he didn't box but fought trinidad like mayorga did

The most important thing here is the way Mayorga destroyed Vernon Forrest in 2 rounds who fights similar classy - technical style to de la hoya

I know Mayorga saying all sorts but he knows this is the best and biggest fight and I bet in his heart De La Hoya's a bit of a legend. He would love to beat him more than any other fighter to cement a legacy. This would by far be his best win

De La Hoya hasn't fought for a long time and for me since Vargas he has lost to Mosley, Sturm and Hopkins in his last 3 big fights

For De La Hoya to win he has to be at his best or better than his last few fights. - Good fight

You have to admit De La Hoya has better chance (easier fights) against the other champions, Dzinziruk, Karmazin, Garcia.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 05 May 2006, 05:50

While I'd like to see Mayorga win, I think Oscar will play it safe as usual, stay out of trouble early, then take over with that great jab mid way.

Oscar on points for me.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 May 2006, 05:56

Boxing Addict wrote:De La Hoya will have to be on top form to win

No doubt that this will be a cracker and it is definately a live fight!!

Trinidad's win doesn't mean anything - it was at middleweight! I reckon De La Hoya too would get beaten by trinidad at middleweight if he didn't box but fought trinidad like mayorga did

The most important thing here is the way Mayorga destroyed Vernon Forrest in 2 rounds who fights similar classy - technical style to de la hoya

I know Mayorga saying all sorts but he knows this is the best and biggest fight and I bet in his heart De La Hoya's a bit of a legend. He would love to beat him more than any other fighter to cement a legacy. This would by far be his best win

De La Hoya hasn't fought for a long time and for me since Vargas he has lost to Mosley, Sturm and Hopkins in his last 3 big fights

For De La Hoya to win he has to be at his best or better than his last few fights. - Good fight

You have to admit De La Hoya has better chance (easier fights) against the other champions, Dzinziruk, Karmazin, Garcia.

I don't reckon DLH would beat Karmazin, he's not a genuine light middleweight, and he is only fighting Mayorga because Mayorga isn't a natural light middle either.

Karmazin would beat Mayorga with rounds to spare.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 05 May 2006, 06:22

Why does everyone say Mayorga is unskilled. His punching technique, speed and combinations are fantastic - he doesn't care much for defense but hes prepared to take 2 to land 1 kind of guy. Could his speed and pressure get to DLH? MAybe, DLH probably outboxs him.

Just watched a preview of the fight, apparently Mayorga only trained 4weeks for Trinidad and hes training harder this time.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 05 May 2006, 06:23

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Just watched a preview of the fight, apparently Mayorga only trained 4weeks for Trinidad and hes training harder this time.

Yup, he's switched to Marlboro lights apparently.

Boxing Addict · Post by **Boxing Addict** » 05 May 2006, 06:31

I don't think Karmazin would beat Mayorga easily

Karmazins been beaten before

Just a tricky southpaw that Ouma couldn't handle

Mayorga hits a lot harder than Ouma when his on fire especially early on

Karmazin , Dzinziruk suit De la Hoya's technical boxing style better and he would find them easier

But Mayorga is a wild brawler and uncomfortable for classy operators to fight - just ask Forrest who was the best welter in the world at the time, also six heads lewis (boxer type) who got destroyed.

Mayorga at best can be a boxers nightmare - He can't fight southpaws though

This is the best fight that De La Hoya could pick -the most exciting anyhow

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 05 May 2006, 06:42

I think there are still question marks over Mayorgas power above Welterweight. He has only fought twice at Light Middle and both fights went the distance, although neither fighter had been stopped before. He hasn't stopped an opponent in more than three years, not since Forrest in January 2003.

I remember watching the Andrew Lewis fight and the commentator saying he was amazed at the huge knuckles on Mayorga. Just wondering, do hand or knuckle sizes make much difference inside a glove?

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 05 May 2006, 07:10

Further to the question on the hand / knuckle size, the official HBO tale of the tape shows both Mayorga and DLH with 7' wrists, DLH with a 9' fist and Mayorga with a 12' fist.

OSCAR DE LA HOYA STATS RICARDO MAYORGA
February 4, 1973 BIRTHDATE October 3, 1973
Los Angeles, CA BIRTHPLACE Managua, Nicaragua
Los Angeles, CA HOMETOWN Managua, Nicaragua
33 AGE 32
5'11" HEIGHT 5'10"
154 WEIGHT 154
72" REACH 71"
15 1/2" NECK 17"
39" CHEST (NORMAL) 41"
42 1/2" CHEST (EXPANDED) 43 1/2"
13 3/4" BICEPS 14 1/2"
12" FOREARMS 11 1/2"
7" WRIST 7"
9" FIST 12"
31 3/4" WAIST 33 1/2"
21" THIGH 21"
13 1/2" CALF 14 1/2"
7 1/2" ANKLE 9 1/2"

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 07 May 2006, 05:21

MightyWarrior wrote:
Ben Keilty wrote: Mayorga will lose all hope after a few rounds and after being stopped by Tito he showed he is not as tough as he talks himself up to be.
What, because he didn't take another 6 rounds of nuclear bombs bouncing off his chin he's not tough?? You have to be joking.

Anyone who lets Trinidad take two or three free shots to his chin and is still standing is definitely tough mate.

Dumb yes, but still hard as nails.

It hard to be so right all the time

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 07 May 2006, 05:27

Oscar befuddled Mayorga with speed, accuracy and surprising power, that first round Knockdown just dented Mayorga and he struggled to recover. Vintage DLH for me, a really impressive performance, good to see him shut the gob of the mouthy Nicaraguan...great fight

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 07 May 2006, 10:53

Ben Keilty wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:
Ben Keilty wrote: Mayorga will lose all hope after a few rounds and after being stopped by Tito he showed he is not as tough as he talks himself up to be.
What, because he didn't take another 6 rounds of nuclear bombs bouncing off his chin he's not tough?? You have to be joking.

Anyone who lets Trinidad take two or three free shots to his chin and is still standing is definitely tough mate.

Dumb yes, but still hard as nails.
It hard to be so right all the time

Well seeing as 99% of the world's population picked ODH to win, it hardly makes you Nostradamus mate

And Mayorga proved himself as tough as ever. That was a hellacious shot he got up from in the 1st, and looked right as rain.
Took plenty of other bombs too.
I thought Nady was late stopping the fight by about 20 shots.

Fantastic win by Oscar, proved how tough he is as well. That was an electric first round, reminded me of Trinidad/Vargas...

Never been a huge Oscar fan, but have to give it to him now - last night he was just outstanding.

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