Jarrell Miller wants to fight Manual Charr

[Ruthless-RKO]

Jarrell ‘Big Baby’ Miller says he doesn’t want a fight against Dillian Whyte right now, because his sights are set on fighting WBA ‘regular’ heavyweight champion Manuel Charr (31-4, 17 KOs) after he takes care of 41-year-old former two-division world champion Tomasz Adamek (53-5, 31 KOs) next month on October 6 on DAZN at the Wintrust Arena in Chicago, Illinois.

Miller sees no point in facing Whyte right now because he doesn’t have a world title in his possession. As the WBA mandatory, Miller will get a world title shot against Charr soon, and he intends on using the belt as a bargaining chip to get bigger fights against the likes of Anthony Joshua. Without the WBA title, Miller isn’t in as good a position to get the fights that he wants.

Whyte (24-1, 17 KOs) needs an opponent for his next fight in December, and his promoter Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Boxing has three names – Miller, Dereck Chisora and Dominic Breazeale – that he wants him to pick from. Miller is making it clear that he doesn’t want the fight with Whyte, because

#3 WBA Miller (21-0-1, 18 KOs) is the mandatory challenger to WBA champion Charr, and he plans on facing him after his match against Adamek next month. Charr, 33, is defending his WBA title this month against 45-year-old Fres Oquendo (37-8, 24 KOs) on September 29 in Cologne, Germany. Oquendo hasn’t fought in four years since losing to Ruslan Chagaev by a 12 round majority decision in July 2014. As such, Charr will likely have no problems defeating the inactive Oquendo and then face Miller in his next fight.

Miller, 30, recently signed a 2-fight deal with Hearn to fight on DAZN. Depending on how successful Miller is in those two fights, he may re-ink with Hearn or sign with one of the American networks HBO or Showtime.

“Even though Dillian Whyte fought nobody other than Joseph Parker, and now he’s going to fight AJ again, supposedly in April,” Miller said to Thaboxingvoice. “I’m going after Manuel Charr to get the WBA belt, and then I’ll fight an English guy.”

Manuel Charr is a fight that Miller will likely have no problems winning. Charr has lost in the past when he’s fought good opposition in Vitali Klitschko, Mairis Briedis, Johann Duhaupas and Alexander Povetkin. Last November, Charr defeated 41-year-old Alexander Ustinov by a 12 round unanimous decision to capture the World Boxing Association heavyweight title in Germany. It was a good performance by Charr against an old and slow Ustinov. The WBA made it easy for Charr to win the WBA title by having a fight between him and Ustinov instead of a better heavyweight like Miller, Kubrat Pulev, Whyte or Alexander Povetkin.

“For what,” Miller said when asked whether he would be willing to fight Dillian Whyte. “I want that WBA belt. I get more bragging rights and I can take it from there. He [Whyte] gets 3, 4 easy fights and then he fights Joseph Parker. I do want Dillian Whyte, but I want that Charr belt first, and if AJ is still being a [expletive] then I’ll go fight Dillian Whyte and knock him out, but I want that Manuel Charr belt. You get more bargaining [room with the WBA title]. I did a 2-fight deal with DAZN; this fight [Tomasz Adamek] and the next fight. After this fight, Manuel Charr next,” Miller said.

[joshj909]

So he's waiting for Oquendo and Bryan to have their chances first...

[Lackeos]

"The WBA made it easy for Charr to win the WBA title by having a fight between him and Ustinov instead of a better heavyweight"
Not that easy. Most people thought it was a set-up to give Ustinov the belt. Charr wasn't supposed to win that.

[DrDuke]

Cause Miller tried to bully Joshua, which apparently means for him, that the potential fight already has a history and should be made as soon as possible, so Miller wants to avoid tough challenges in order not to lose that opportunity. Furthermore Charr's paper-version of WBA sounds like step for becoming a challenger for an actual belt.

[Ruthless-RKO]

"The WBA made it easy for Charr to win the WBA title by having a fight between him and Ustinov instead of a better heavyweight"
Not that easy. Most people thought it was a set-up to give Ustinov the belt. Charr wasn't supposed to win that.

Exactly what it was..

Before Charr vs. Ustinov, it was Briggs vs. Oquendo.

[gilgamesh]

It'd be a real easy win for Miller. Which I guess is the way he likes it.

[joshj909]

WBO mentioned they might call a eliminator late this year or early next year. Povetkin is ranked first, Whyte and Miller are 2 and 3. Would Miller publicly turn down a second eliminator for Joshua to go for the regular belt? Me might find out how spineless he truly is

[Ruthless-RKO]

WBO mentioned they might call a eliminator late this year or early next year. Povetkin is ranked first, Whyte and Miller are 2 and 3. Would Miller publicly turn down a second eliminator for Joshua to go for the regular belt? Me might find out how spineless he truly is

Povetkin might lost his top spot if he loses to AJ..

So likely, Whyte vs. Miller would/should be ordered.. No need for purse bids. But I can see them both avoiding the fight.

[Pukka Cheese]

As the WBA mandatory, Miller will get a world title shot against Charr soon

How true is this though?
Surely Trevor Bryan is next in line?

Id imagine if Charr actually fights & beats Oquendo he'd have his own plans too.. Like sell the belt to the highest bidder if the chance is there..

[Ruthless-RKO]

As the WBA mandatory, Miller will get a world title shot against Charr soon

How true is this though?
Surely Trevor Bryan is next in line?

Id imagine if Charr actually fights & beats Oquendo he'd have his own plans too.. Like sell the belt to the highest bidder if the chance is there..

That’s not how WBA work. They have a mandstory for each of the ‘Interim’, ‘Regular’ and ‘Super’ champions.

After a blue moons they’ll finally order some of them to fight each other. But they’d likely keep all 3 belts for as long as they can.

It’s like when Fury vacated all his belts, shouldn’t Chagaev, who was reinstated as Regular champion, have been promoted to Super champiom? No, WBA instead placed the Super champion vacant for Wlad-AJ.

Certain Interim rules go out the window when it comes to the WBA. Maybe they don’t know what the word means.

[Enlightened-One]

“Even though Dillian Whyte fought nobody other than Joseph Parker...

He [Whyte] gets 3, 4 easy fights and then he fights Joseph Parker...” Miller said.

No disrespect to Miller, but Whyte has faced better opposition. You'd be hard pressed to claim that the American has beaten better opponents than the likes of Dereck Chisora, Robert Helenius, Lucas Browne & Joseph Parker.

For sure, one or two of those names are debatable in hindsight, but regardless, Miller's resume isn't as good as Whyte's.

In fact, I'm pretty sure he knows this, because if Whyte really wants "easy fights" and had "fought nobody other than Joseph Parker", then Jarrell must feel self-conscious about the calibre of opponents he's faced?

So likely, Whyte vs. Miller would/should be ordered.. No need for purse bids. But I can see them both avoiding the fight.

I agree.

Eddie Hearn has three heavyweights in his stable of fighters that are legitimate world-class title challengers. There is no need for him to pit Chisora, Miller and Whyte against each other. He'll use all three of these guys as future opponents for AJ.

A promoter like Eddie Hearn likes to retain control of the titles, regardless the outcome of bouts, which is the reason why he (and many other promoters like GBP & Top Rank) prefer to stage events between in-house fighters.

[candyslim]

It'd be a real easy win for Miller. Which I guess is the way he likes it.

Well that's just it isn't it? I've been banging the drum for Jarrell Miller and defending him in discussion with a few posters who don't share my view of his attributes, but I'm really losing faith and patience in the man. I think I would favour him to beat Dillian Whyte. He's too tough for Dill to knock out and he would last the course better, throw more punches, and wear Whyte down. I'd give him an excellent chance of beating Wilder and a better chance than most potential Joshua opponents.

It seems clear though that Miller is looking for an easy path, avoiding tackling anyone remotely threatening. It's a shame because the fights against Washington, Wach and Duhaupas were good tests but now his sights are set on yesterday's man Adamek and the uninspiring Manuel Charr.

I appreciate that the money on offer wasn't great and it would have involved a trip to Bulgaria (Don't fret Jarrell, they have McDonalds in Sofia, you'd have been fine) but he'd have beaten a 37/38 year old Pulev who wouldn't have the power to discourage him, and wouldn't be able to match him for punch volume or stamina. He'd have found his way past Pulev's jab I'm pretty sure of that.

That would have made him mandatory for Joshua's IBF strap, but Miller would rather get in line behind his old sparring partner Trevor Bryan to compete for the bogus WBA regular joke belt. Says it all doesn't it.?

[jamamb]

millers career gotten boring, like, washington-wach-duhaupas is okay, but to me these are all sort of similar fringe contending type guys who arent particulalry good. now a faded adamek, who may actually be worse then some of these guys. its about time he steps up and faces someone better if he wants people to keep interested and give credibility to his big talk.

charr would be yet another uninspiring opponent, belt or not. charr actually lost 3 or 4 rounds out of 10 vs that tiny albanian fury fought!

the way millers going, hell fight charr after adamek, and then defend his secondary title against christain hammer. i mean, on the one hand, not that many hws are actually fighting much better then this on a consistent basis, but on the other hand theyve stepped up higher then that at some point, its just hard for me to stay interested when its meh opponent after meh. its always boring when a guy sort of just attritions himself into ratings

[jamamb]

we look at aj, wilder, povetkin, ortiz, parker whyte, both furys, pulev, chisora, breazeale, takam, jennings, etc

pretty much every champ or contender has fought someone better then anyone miller has faced. thats sort of what i mean when i say a run like washington-wach-duhaupas is okay-ish, but totally boring and devoid of anything interesting. pretty much every other notable hw has stepped up at some point more then miller has, and more then miller seems to intend to with his next fight after adamek

[candyslim]

TBF his career is still in it's infancy and it was following a pretty good trajectory up until this point. Ok let him have his pushover win against ageing cruiserweight Adamek, I won't hold that against him provided he forgets this crap about fighting Charr and sets about finding a real contender to fight. Ortiz, Whyte, or Parker for example.

[Enlightened-One]

TBF [Miller's] career is still in it's infancy and it was following a pretty good trajectory up until this point...

Jarrell Miller turned professional around the same time as Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury (within seven months or so).

He’s been campaigning as a professional boxer for longer than the likes of Kubrat Pulev, Adam Kownacki, Luis Ortiz, Bryant Jennings, Dillian Whyte, Joseph Parker, Dominic Breazeale and Anthony Joshua.

The only currently active world-rated fighter (based on the top-ten ratings of The RING & ESPN) that has more experience (in terms of the duration of their professional career), is Alexander Povetkin, who entered the pro ranks three years earlier than Jarrell Miller did.

According to BoxRec, Jarrell Miller made his professional debut more than nine years ago (on the 18th July 2009).

Can you please provide some justification to support your assertion, because I don’t see any legitimate reason that explains your belief about Miller’s professional career being in its infancy?

The American has criticised the calibre of opposition that Dillian Whyte has fought, but Miller’s resume is simply not as good as the Brit’s and no one from this forum would possess the sheer audacity to argue against that claim, which means that Jarrell's criticism is very weird considering the fact that he has been campaigning as a professional boxer for almost two years longer than ‘The Body Snatcher’.

[candyslim]

You're right of course but he hadn't fought anyone of note until Mualimov and Dennis end of 2015 and 2016. I regard him as a novice up until he embarked on that three fight streak of Washington, Wach and Duhaupas. He may have served a long apprenticeship but now it's over and he should be looking to step his game up, not fighting has-beens and also-rans.

[gilgamesh]

millers career gotten boring, like, washington-wach-duhaupas is okay, but to me these are all sort of similar fringe contending type guys who arent particulalry good. now a faded adamek, who may actually be worse then some of these guys. its about time he steps up and faces someone better if he wants people to keep interested and give credibility to his big talk.

charr would be yet another uninspiring opponent, belt or not. charr actually lost 3 or 4 rounds out of 10 vs that tiny albanian fury fought!

the way millers going, hell fight charr after adamek, and then defend his secondary title against christain hammer. i mean, on the one hand, not that many hws are actually fighting much better then this on a consistent basis, but on the other hand theyve stepped up higher then that at some point, its just hard for me to stay interested when its meh opponent after meh. its always boring when a guy sort of just attritions himself into ratings

I'd say the faded Adamek that Miller is facing is DEFINITELY worse than those guys.

[gilgamesh]

You're right of course but he hadn't fought anyone of note until Mualimov and Dennis end of 2015 and 2016. I regard him as a novice up until he embarked on that three fight streak of Washington, Wach and Duhaupas. He may have served a long apprenticeship but now it's over and he should be looking to step his game up, not fighting has-beens and also-rans.

He's not a novice. He's had a sh*t load of Kickboxing matches as well. He should know how to fight by now.

[adislav123]

He knows. But he's afraid (he really shouldn't be afraid as a fighter, let's say he doesn't like the possibility) of loosing to whyte. Whyte doesn't give a fornicate, is confident of his ability to beat anyone, including joshua, miller & breazeale & just takes the fight who earns him the most. If he wins, the journey to the top continues. Just hope he doesn't fight chisora again, which is the fight hearn favours. Of course he also wouldn't say no to take away the regular-belt from charr, who, we might diminish the value of that "belt" as much as we want, still everybody except joshua & wilder wants it, is in a wonderful position. He can choose the best offer after getting rid of ancient oquendo, loose and hang em' up! As the first "persian" heavyweight "champion" he's a made man for live anyways!

[candyslim]

You're right of course but he hadn't fought anyone of note until Mualimov and Dennis end of 2015 and 2016. I regard him as a novice up until he embarked on that three fight streak of Washington, Wach and Duhaupas. He may have served a long apprenticeship but now it's over and he should be looking to step his game up, not fighting has-beens and also-rans.

He's not a novice. He's had a sh*t load of Kickboxing matches as well. He should know how to fight by now.

Yes I don't pay much attention to other forms of fighting but I guess you have a point. I think we are all agreed he needs to be looking higher than Adamek and Charr. It's not like he can't fight.

[funso banjo baby]

Charr v o'quendo for some bs title is surely a low point in the history of the heavies

whats more embarrassing is 'fans' giving it oxygen

[gilgamesh]

You're right of course but he hadn't fought anyone of note until Mualimov and Dennis end of 2015 and 2016. I regard him as a novice up until he embarked on that three fight streak of Washington, Wach and Duhaupas. He may have served a long apprenticeship but now it's over and he should be looking to step his game up, not fighting has-beens and also-rans.

He's not a novice. He's had a sh*t load of Kickboxing matches as well. He should know how to fight by now.

Yes I don't pay much attention to other forms of fighting but I guess you have a point. I think we are all agreed he needs to be looking higher than Adamek and Charr. It's not like he can't fight.

He had 23 Kickboxing matches (21-2 record in that sport)

While it's not exactly like Boxing, I would think that if you're particularly good at that there is some crossover at least as far as skill.

For instance Nieky Holzken a Kickboxing Champion was able to hold his own just fine with Callum Smith with relatively few Professional Boxing matches.

I'd think an extensive Kickboxing career is almost as good as an extensive Amateur Boxing record. I mean it's not EXACTLY like it because I'm sure your stance, and all that is different in the two sports, and they tend to throw one or two power punches at a time rather than the more fluid combination punching you see in Boxing, but still. It's fighting. It surely counts for something.

[candyslim]

Certainly it must demand the same ability to keep your cool and think on your feet while the other guy is trying to take your head off. I was very disappointed with Connor McGregor's efforts at boxing though, he seemed to be arm punching and generating very little power. Of course it wasn't me taking them.

Tyrone Spong is reputed to be a quality kick-boxer but it doesn't appear to have filled him with confidence enough to take on a boxer of above the most rudimentary ability. I wish he would either sh*t or get off the pot because his dabbling in boxing is pointless unless he's going to make a move.

I'm assuming that a world class boxer can expect to make a lot more money than a world class exponent of any other combat discipline, am I right? Genuine question as I don't have a scooby.