Round-by-Round: Danny Garcia vs. Shawn Porter - 8 September 2018

[jamamb]

ya, caldo nice job sharing your ghey fantasies

[Ruthless-RKO]

Garcia gets it in the ass again.

When did he get it in the ass before?

In Caldo's dreams nightly?

Ahh I see.

[squiggy]

Atrocious scorecards.

Boxing continues to bow down to The Porters. Last night they even had a ref that allowed a typical Porter wrestling match. What they allow him to do in there is not boxing. Anyone who is anyone is crazy to keep signing on to fight this sideshow mess of a fighter. I didn't see Porter land one effective, clean punch last night. Garcia hit Porter with an assortment of professional punches. All this other garbage inside that ring is unwatchable to me.

Garcia gets it in the ass again.

I think a fighter who wanted to avoid grappling and wrestling would have an obvious starting point, and that'd be not grabbing and holding half as much as Garcia did.

[caldo2025]

Garcia gets it in the ass again.

When did he get it in the ass before?

In Caldo's dreams nightly?

Lol. Good one bro. I’ll give you that.

I had Garcia beating Thurman. I realize it was a close fight but I’ve often found that Garcia’s scorecards are always off against his favor. I don’t believe that he gets full credit for his performances. For instance last night, Porter gets awarded some rounds for blind aggression that did very little actual scoring while Danny had by far the cleaner more effective punches. I honestly can’t even remember one significant punch Porter threw in the whole fight. Could you? Please name it.

Porter ends up winning the fight because of what? He did the best wrestling and threw the most non scoring punches?? I don’t get it. He should be undefeated if they are just scoring on mugging and wrestling. Some Boxers, like GGG don’t get any points for pushing the action and coming forward and others, like that caveman Porter, get points for being a spaz in the ring.

Porter’s fights are unwatchable to me and very unentertaining.

[pablothunder]

I'll go with Garcia being a notably better boxer and Porter taking the win. I'm interested in a rematch for definite.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I'll go with Garcia being a notably better boxer and Porter taking the win. I'm interested in a rematch for definite.

It was Porter that wanted this fight more than Garcia. I don’t know if he’d want a rematch. He’s a good boxer Garcia. How does he do against Spence or Crawford? He already lost to Thurman. Does he go back to fighting the Rios’ for his next few fights?

[gilgamesh]

Lol. Good one bro. I’ll give you that.

I had Garcia beating Thurman. I realize it was a close fight but I’ve often found that Garcia’s scorecards are always off against his favor. I don’t believe that he gets full credit for his performances. For instance last night, Porter gets awarded some rounds for blind aggression that did very little actual scoring while Danny had by far the cleaner more effective punches. I honestly can’t even remember one significant punch Porter threw in the whole fight. Could you? Please name it.

Porter ends up winning the fight because of what? He did the best wrestling and threw the most non scoring punches?? I don’t get it. He should be undefeated if they are just scoring on mugging and wrestling. Some Boxers, like GGG don’t get any points for pushing the action and coming forward and others, like that caveman Porter, get points for being a spaz in the ring.

Porter’s fights are unwatchable to me and very unentertaining.

It was a close fight. Definitely not a robbery. Even if it had been a close decision in Garcia's favor I wouldn't have considered it unfair.

The scorecards were fair. If it had been scores of 117-111 or 118-110 for Porter I could see a controversy, but the scorecards that were read were perfectly reasonable.

Garcia has definitely gotten the benefit of the doubt in fights he didn't deserve before. Most notably in my mind the Mauricio Herrera fight.

[pablothunder]

I'll go with Garcia being a notably better boxer and Porter taking the win. I'm interested in a rematch for definite.

It was Porter that wanted this fight more than Garcia. I don’t know if he’d want a rematch. He’s a good boxer Garcia. How does he do against Spence or Crawford? He already lost to Thurman. Does he go back to fighting the Rios’ for his next few fights?

Well, who knows if he wants the rematch? We'll find out in time I suppose.
Spence looks great but his record doesn't yet match the impression he's given so far.
Crawford has a better record than Spence but he's stepped up now so we'll find out in time too what becomes of him.
What I'll stand by is- fighting Garcia would tell us a whole lot more about both guys.
Garcia definitely falls into that category of high rating in every category but unspectacular with it. It's something I've grown to appreciate.
I'm more a fan of boxing than a fan of boxers. I definitely agree that on the night Porter wanted it more than Garcia. Hence why I'd love to see a rematch to see who maintains the product.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[caldo2025]

Lol. Good one bro. I’ll give you that.

I had Garcia beating Thurman. I realize it was a close fight but I’ve often found that Garcia’s scorecards are always off against his favor. I don’t believe that he gets full credit for his performances. For instance last night, Porter gets awarded some rounds for blind aggression that did very little actual scoring while Danny had by far the cleaner more effective punches. I honestly can’t even remember one significant punch Porter threw in the whole fight. Could you? Please name it.

Porter ends up winning the fight because of what? He did the best wrestling and threw the most non scoring punches?? I don’t get it. He should be undefeated if they are just scoring on mugging and wrestling. Some Boxers, like GGG don’t get any points for pushing the action and coming forward and others, like that caveman Porter, get points for being a spaz in the ring.

Porter’s fights are unwatchable to me and very unentertaining.

It was a close fight. Definitely not a robbery. Even if it had been a close decision in Garcia's favor I wouldn't have considered it unfair.

The scorecards were fair. If it had been scores of 117-111 or 118-110 for Porter I could see a controversy, but the scorecards that were read were perfectly reasonable.

Garcia has definitely gotten the benefit of the doubt in fights he didn't deserve before. Most notably in my mind the Mauricio Herrera fight.

I must say that I didn’t think about the Herrer fight so your point there is well taken. I did not have Danny winning that fight.

But bringing up that fight and point magnifies what the REAL issue is here with Boxing. The scorecards always seem to favor the boxer that could bring in the most money in THE NEXT FIGHT. For instance, Porter and Spence already had this next fight against each other in the works prior to his hand getting raised on Saturday Night. Boxing is a small world and I’m sure that word was out about that. It would be naive to think that knowledge like that didn’t figure into judges deciding on a bunch of rounds where the round winner was too close to call.

Knowing that a win by Porter meant a huge fight in Boxing in the future, it had to be a factor in deciding who wins that putrid fight we saw Saturday Night.

[gilgamesh]

I must say that I didn’t think about the Herrer fight so your point there is well taken. I did not have Danny winning that fight.

But bringing up that fight and point magnifies what the REAL issue is here with Boxing. The scorecards always seem to favor the boxer that could bring in the most money in THE NEXT FIGHT. For instance, Porter and Spence already had this next fight against each other in the works prior to his hand getting raised on Saturday Night. Boxing is a small world and I’m sure that word was out about that. It would be naive to think that knowledge like that didn’t figure into judges deciding on a bunch of rounds where the round winner was too close to call.

Knowing that a win by Porter meant a huge fight in Boxing in the future, it had to be a factor in deciding who wins that putrid fight we saw Saturday Night.

I doubt it. The scores that were read were all perfectly reasonable. Look at the poll. The majority of Boxrec'ers feel that Porter legitimately won the fight.

I'll give it to you that it was close, and COULD'VE went to Danny Garcia, but I think most feel that Porter rightfully deserved the win. You're in the minority thinking it was a bad call. More people would lean toward a draw or Porter victory than a Garcia victory.

A lot of the rounds were basically even, but Porter worked harder and threw a lot more shots. That was enough for him to edge it by a slight margin. That's perfectly reasonable.

Garcia and Porter are equally big names I'd say, so I don't think the official judges really gave a sh*t who came out on top in this case. It was on the level. The judging all night long seemed on the money to me.

[squiggy]

I think defensive fighters and counterpunchers sometimes focus too much on limiting the aggressive guy's success and not enough on actually accomplishing more than he's accomplishing. Even if most of his aggression is ineffective, if you're just waiting for the kind of well-timed countering opportunity that you're finding maybe once a round or less, you deserve to fall behind on the cards.

[caldo2025]

I must say that I didn’t think about the Herrer fight so your point there is well taken. I did not have Danny winning that fight.

But bringing up that fight and point magnifies what the REAL issue is here with Boxing. The scorecards always seem to favor the boxer that could bring in the most money in THE NEXT FIGHT. For instance, Porter and Spence already had this next fight against each other in the works prior to his hand getting raised on Saturday Night. Boxing is a small world and I’m sure that word was out about that. It would be naive to think that knowledge like that didn’t figure into judges deciding on a bunch of rounds where the round winner was too close to call.

Knowing that a win by Porter meant a huge fight in Boxing in the future, it had to be a factor in deciding who wins that putrid fight we saw Saturday Night.

I doubt it. The scores that were read were all perfectly reasonable. Look at the poll. The majority of Boxrec'ers feel that Porter legitimately won the fight.

I'll give it to you that it was close, and COULD'VE went to Danny Garcia, but I think most feel that Porter rightfully deserved the win. You're in the minority thinking it was a bad call. More people would lean toward a draw or Porter victory than a Garcia victory.

A lot of the rounds were basically even, but Porter worked harder and threw a lot more shots. That was enough for him to edge it by a slight margin. That's perfectly reasonable.

Garcia and Porter are equally big names I'd say, so I don't think the official judges really gave a sh*t who came out on top in this case. It was on the level. The judging all night long seemed on the money to me.

The scoring in Boxing is purely up to the subjectivity of the judges and it’s that way on purpose. Under same rationale these judges would have scored GGG in a landslide over Canelo. GGG chased Canelo around all night but never got any credit for it.

In my book, boxers need to do more than wrestle, clutch and grab all night like Porter did. I didn’t see any effective blows by Porter, just aggressive mugging. Maidana would have clearly beaten Floyd the first time around if he had gotten the credit that Porter continues to get in there.

A draw was the only right answer in that fight because neither Porter or Garcia did enough to clearly get the win perhaps. Boxing scoring is just way too subjective to overcome the sketchiness of these decisions.

[ElJefe]

I had it 115-113 for Porter. Lots of close rounds but Porter's activity just won out over Garcia's slightly cleaner punching on my card.

Was surprised to see Porter use his legs as much as he did. Don't think Garcia expected to have to walk Porter down. Instead he was probably expecting to catch him coming in with big left hook. That threw him off for a while. Porter was looking to counter over Garcia's jab early in the fight with a big right hand. So in the middle rounds Garcia began to neglect the jab which allowed Porter to take a clean sweep from 4 to 8 on my card.

When Porter would flurry, too often Garcia would hold. So whether the punches from Porter landed or not, it gave the impression that he was doing more than Danny. When Garcia held less, particularly in rounds 9 and 10 (the latter of which was the best of the fight) and instead held his feet, tucked up and fought inside he actually had more success. I had him closing the gap at that point but Porter came out with a big round 11 to take it away again.

I had 3 rounds marked down as swing rounds and gave 2 to Danny. So if I'd have given him all 3 he would have got a draw. So I can't really see him winning but can see the 116-112 that 2 judges had. Good fight and good scoring.

Every combination of Thurman, Garcia and Porter has produced competitive, watchable fights. Even if some don't like Porter's mauling style. A lot of the times we don't get to see 3 top names in the division have a round robin so credit to those 3 for doing so. Let's hope Spence gets in the mix as the eye test leads many (myself included) to believe that he's the best of the lot.

[ElJefe]

Also, on the punch stats - I don't put too much stock into them at the best of times, never mind when Porter fights. Half the time he can't even keep up with his own output so I don't expect CompuBox to have accurate numbers.

[SFW]

Garcia did most of the holding, and really looked kinda lost in there for a bit not having a plan b on how to offset Porter's pressure.That's why he lost all the middle rounds of the fight. And maybe why he should have gotten a better trainer awhile ago. He hasn't changed anything, or added anything, to his game. That easily could have been his 4th loss, all close fights he appearingly got out hustled in not out skilled. Something is missing there. I think he would be better with a new trainer, guy is getting no help no good instruction doing it all himself.

[gilgamesh]

The scoring in Boxing is purely up to the subjectivity of the judges and it’s that way on purpose. Under same rationale these judges would have scored GGG in a landslide over Canelo. GGG chased Canelo around all night but never got any credit for it.

In my book, boxers need to do more than wrestle, clutch and grab all night like Porter did. I didn’t see any effective blows by Porter, just aggressive mugging. Maidana would have clearly beaten Floyd the first time around if he had gotten the credit that Porter continues to get in there.

A draw was the only right answer in that fight because neither Porter or Garcia did enough to clearly get the win perhaps. Boxing scoring is just way too subjective to overcome the sketchiness of these decisions.

If you didn't see any effective blows by Porter you weren't paying attention. He landed several.

[Yuzo]

I think defensive fighters and counterpunchers sometimes focus too much on limiting the aggressive guy's success and not enough on actually accomplishing more than he's accomplishing. Even if most of his aggression is ineffective, if you're just waiting for the kind of well-timed countering opportunity that you're finding maybe once a round or less, you deserve to fall behind on the cards.

thats why you jab.

[jamamb]

I think defensive fighters and counterpunchers sometimes focus too much on limiting the aggressive guy's success and not enough on actually accomplishing more than he's accomplishing. Even if most of his aggression is ineffective, if you're just waiting for the kind of well-timed countering opportunity that you're finding maybe once a round or less, you deserve to fall behind on the cards.

totally agree

also some ppl forget that even if 1 guys landing at a higher percent he can still be getting outlanded if the other guys much busier

and i am very questionable of the idea that effective agression merely comes down to accuracy....because if your greater volume is making you land more and also keeping the other guy defensive, it is being effective in its own way even if you miss more too

[Ruthless-RKO]

also some ppl forget that even if 1 guys landing at a higher percent he can still be getting outlanded if the other guys much busier

and i am very questionable of the idea that effective agression merely comes down to accuracy....because if your greater volume is making you land more and also keeping the other guy defensive, it is being effective in its own way even if you miss more too

I agree with that.

[squiggy]

Yeah, sloppy aggression can be effective enough. 'cause you're not measuring it against your ideal of perfect offense, but only against what the opponent is doing.