Amir Khan vs. Samuel Vargas - 8 September 2018

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khan was finished even before he fought canelo. hes good at fighting non punchers and backfoot fighters, but every time he comes up against guys who bring pressure or a punch , he struggles. brook would always have smashed him to pieces and he knows it. even the geriatric pacman will ko him in 2 or three rounds. khan was omly ever interested in the money, and nothings changed otherwise he would be going after spence, thurman, or even porter...all three of whom would batter him stupid.

But even against Canelo I had him with a handy lead until the knockout.

Also bar his knockdown against Vargas, he won every round and boxed well.. Yes. He may have slowed down after round 6, but this was his first real boxing match since Canelo.

Don't know why people say he has a weak chin...

Canelo's shot would have knocked anyone out..

Garcia landed on the neck, not chin, again i've seen many boxers dropped with that neck shot.

Peterson was a hard knockdown, also early in his career.

Limond was also very early in his career, but did that fight not show Khan's heart? He still received punishment after he was knocked down, but ultimately dominated Limond..

Maidana hit Khan with his best as well. He had Khan in trouble too, but Khan held on.

All this chin talk is nonsense.

Some have granite chins, some have weak chins.. Khan's chin might not be the best, but not all his knockdowns have occurred with chin shots.

Vargas hit him with an overhand..

[samwbr]

The bell saved him twice on Saturday, he was in all sorts of bother.

[dookus]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/45481216

I think Bunce needs to get his name out there again. As to the content, I mean - Khan was getting decked by silly shots against non-punchers far below world level in his prime and (most of the time) wobbling his way back into the fight, so what does it mean now that he has the same flaws a decade on? Not much.

I do agree he is clearly not at the top echlons of 147 anymore but that's what happens when you piss your prime years away chasing phantoms, changing your coaching staff over and over, and generally making very poor decisions.

[handsofstone]

While Khan looked poor on Saturday and certainly hasn't improved, I still think its a bit quick to say he's finished, Khan's whole career has been littered with poor showings even since he fought Limond for the Commonwealth all they years ago, Gomez, Diaz, Algieri were all flat poor performances sandwiched inbetween some great fights

Its the same with people who are saying Fury's finished after watching him against Pianeta, was Tyson really that much worse that night than when stopped Chisora in the their rematch or even beat Wlad?? Fury and Khan have had their fair share of sub par performances before, judge them when they step back up to the top level

[Stuarty]

While Khan looked poor on Saturday and certainly hasn't improved, I still think its a bit quick to say he's finished, Khan's whole career has been littered with poor showings even since he fought Limond for the Commonwealth all they years ago, Gomez, Diaz, Algieri were all flat poor performances sandwiched inbetween some great fights

Its the same with people who are saying Fury's finished after watching him against Pianeta, was Tyson really that much worse that night than when stopped Chisora in the their rematch or even beat Wlad?? Fury and Khan have had their fair share of sub par performances before, judge them when they step back up to the top level

Doesn't look like the Brook fight is happening does it. I can see Kell throwing a major wobbly if Ed gets Khan the Pac fight and leaves him hanging out to dry. Couldn't blame him either after he stepped in to save Eds backside with the GGG fight after Eubank bitched out. Maybe it's time for Ed to show a bit of loyalty and sort Brook out. He's arguably never recovered from the GGG fight despite putting up a decent fight while it lasted.

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Doesn't look like the Brook fight is happening does it. I can see Kell throwing a major wobbly if Ed gets Khan the Pac fight and leaves him hanging out to dry. Couldn't blame him either after he stepped in to save Eds backside with the GGG fight after Eubank bitched out. Maybe it's time for Ed to show a bit of loyalty and sort Brook out. He's arguably never recovered from the GGG fight despite putting up a decent fight while it lasted.

Not really saved his backside on the GGG fight.. He was the only opponent for the fight that would keep it as PPV and also Brook made more money with that fight than he would have if he had fought Jessie Vargas (which was originally planned until Brexit came along).

GGG could have gotten a real MW to fight GGG. So really, Hearn did Brook favours. Brook could have said no.

Again, with the last bit you said, Ed did sort Brook out.

[Stuarty]

Doesn't look like the Brook fight is happening does it. I can see Kell throwing a major wobbly if Ed gets Khan the Pac fight and leaves him hanging out to dry. Couldn't blame him either after he stepped in to save Eds backside with the GGG fight after Eubank bitched out. Maybe it's time for Ed to show a bit of loyalty and sort Brook out. He's arguably never recovered from the GGG fight despite putting up a decent fight while it lasted.

Not really saved his backside on the GGG fight.. He was the only opponent for the fight that would keep it as PPV and also Brook made more money with that fight than he would have if he had fought Jessie Vargas (which was originally planned until Brexit came along).

GGG could have gotten a real MW to fight GGG. So really, Hearn did Brook favours. Brook could have said no.

Again, with the last bit you said, Ed did sort Brook out.

Not really. The show was going down the toilet unless Brook stepped in. Hearn did Brook a favour by getting him to step in and up Two weight classes to fight a killer nobody else fancied taking on at the time? Not IMO.

[Boxerbeetle]

khan was finished even before he fought canelo. hes good at fighting non punchers and backfoot fighters, but every time he comes up against guys who bring pressure or a punch , he struggles. brook would always have smashed him to pieces and he knows it. even the geriatric pacman will ko him in 2 or three rounds. khan was omly ever interested in the money, and nothings changed otherwise he would be going after spence, thurman, or even porter...all three of whom would batter him stupid.

But even against Canelo I had him with a handy lead until the knockout.

Also bar his knockdown against Vargas, he won every round and boxed well.. Yes. He may have slowed down after round 6, but this was his first real boxing match since Canelo.

Don't know why people say he has a weak chin...

Canelo's shot would have knocked anyone out..

Garcia landed on the neck, not chin, again i've seen many boxers dropped with that neck shot.

Peterson was a hard knockdown, also early in his career.

Limond was also very early in his career, but did that fight not show Khan's heart? He still received punishment after he was knocked down, but ultimately dominated Limond..

Maidana hit Khan with his best as well. He had Khan in trouble too, but Khan held on.

All this chin talk is nonsense.

Some have granite chins, some have weak chins.. Khan's chin might not be the best, but not all his knockdowns have occurred with chin shots.

Vargas hit him with an overhand..

Wtf??? How many fighters can you name with worse chins than Khan? Cos if Khan isn’t chinny, then I really don’t know who is.

[Stuarty]

But even against Canelo I had him with a handy lead until the knockout.

Also bar his knockdown against Vargas, he won every round and boxed well.. Yes. He may have slowed down after round 6, but this was his first real boxing match since Canelo.

Don't know why people say he has a weak chin...

Canelo's shot would have knocked anyone out..

Garcia landed on the neck, not chin, again i've seen many boxers dropped with that neck shot.

Peterson was a hard knockdown, also early in his career.

Limond was also very early in his career, but did that fight not show Khan's heart? He still received punishment after he was knocked down, but ultimately dominated Limond..

Maidana hit Khan with his best as well. He had Khan in trouble too, but Khan held on.

All this chin talk is nonsense.

Some have granite chins, some have weak chins.. Khan's chin might not be the best, but not all his knockdowns have occurred with chin shots.

Vargas hit him with an overhand..

Wtf??? How many fighters can you name with worse chins than Khan? Cos if Khan isn’t chinny, then I really don’t know who is.

I don't understand these folk who try to say Khan isn't chinny!

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Not really. The show was going down the toilet unless Brook stepped in. Hearn did Brook a favour by getting him to step in and up Two weight classes to fight a killer nobody else fancied taking on at the time? Not IMO.

Like I said, Brook could have declined. The only risk was the damage he took. Regardless of result, he was still rated highly at WW and still a champion at WW.

Prior to the fight, it was viewed as a no risk/high reward fight, that was obviously until GGG gave him new eye sockets.

Brook was probably the only boxer from Matchroom that made sense seeing as he was a huge WW in the first place... and like I said, Hearn wanted to keep the event a PPV.

[Stuarty]

Not really. The show was going down the toilet unless Brook stepped in. Hearn did Brook a favour by getting him to step in and up Two weight classes to fight a killer nobody else fancied taking on at the time? Not IMO.

Like I said, Brook could have declined. The only risk was the damage he took. Regardless of result, he was still rated highly at WW and still a champion at WW.

Prior to the fight, it was viewed as a no risk/high reward fight, that was obviously until GGG gave him new eye sockets.

Brook was probably the only boxer from Matchroom that made sense seeing as he was a huge WW in the first place... and like I said, Hearn wanted to keep the event a PPV.

Yeah that's why Brook saved his bacon. Without him the event was a non starter. Apparently Brook killed himself getting back to 147 for the Spence fight as well which wouldn't have helped in what was already an uphill battle for him. That's why I'm kinda surprised he's talking about going back to Welter! Makes no sense if it's gonna leave him depleted.

IMO opinion Kell lost a hell of a lot that night he faced GGG. Took a beating, had to be pulled out to save him, lost his unbeaten record and the momentum (for all it was) he'd built at 147. His confidence must've taken a heavy dent that night.

If Hearn gets Khan the Pac fight and leaves Brook high and dry then he's every right to be pissed.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Apparently Brook killed himself getting back to 147 for the Spence fight as well which wouldn't have helped in what was already an uphill battle for him.

He did. He just did not want to give up his world title that he had finally won.. Also, Spence said he wanted to take a world title of a champion and not win a vacant title.

IMO opinion Kell lost a hell of a lot that night he faced GGG. Took a beating, had to be pulled out to save him, lost his unbeaten record and the momentum (for all it was) he'd built at 147. His confidence must've taken a heavy dent that night.

Have to agree here. When the fight was announced, it was all buzzin. Everyone was buzzin. People picked Brook to win. He wasn't a favourite, but he had a lot of momentum going in like you said. He was at the top of his game in his own right and nothing was about to bring him down. During the pre-fight stuff, like open work out and weigh-in, you could see how well supported and how high on his horse he was.

[Stuarty]

Apparently Brook killed himself getting back to 147 for the Spence fight as well which wouldn't have helped in what was already an uphill battle for him.

He did. He just did not want to give up his world title that he had finally won.. Also, Spence said he wanted to take a world title of a champion and not win a vacant title.

IMO opinion Kell lost a hell of a lot that night he faced GGG. Took a beating, had to be pulled out to save him, lost his unbeaten record and the momentum (for all it was) he'd built at 147. His confidence must've taken a heavy dent that night.

Have to agree here. When the fight was announced, it was all buzzin. Everyone was buzzin. People picked Brook to win. He wasn't a favourite, but he had a lot of momentum going in like you said. He was at the top of his game in his own right and nothing was about to bring him down. During the pre-fight stuff, like open work out and weigh-in, you could see how well supported and how high on his horse he was.

Brook is fast becoming irrelevant. Pity because he's a talented fighter. Looks to be making the same mistake with Khan that Amir made with Floyd! Chasing feckin shadows!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Brook is fast becoming irrelevant. Pity because he's a talented fighter. Looks to be making the same mistake with Khan that Amir made with Floyd! Chasing feckin shadows!

He has really under-achieved in his career. You only get one boxing career.. He could/should have done much more..

A win against Khan won't do anything for him.. Just a good last payday.

[jamamb]

yes, brook is a very talented fighter. and look at the porter win now...porter is a top 5 ww and of course beat garcia, and kell went over and beat porter in the us. i think kell may well couldve beat garcia and thurman too, or at least one of them, and certainly guys like peterson, vargas, etc.

yet, look past porter,, and what do we have as his best wins? the levels have been all wrong. so many years of blah opponents, then finally porter, then back to crap like jo jo dan, then he moves up two classes vs a mw monster, then straight after getting beaten up returns vs a ww monste (and btw kell did very respectably there and wasnt actually behind until late)

kell needed more fights around or a bit below the porter level. his career has been very frustrating to follow at times for someone who saw serious ability

[handsofstone]

While Khan looked poor on Saturday and certainly hasn't improved, I still think its a bit quick to say he's finished, Khan's whole career has been littered with poor showings even since he fought Limond for the Commonwealth all they years ago, Gomez, Diaz, Algieri were all flat poor performances sandwiched inbetween some great fights

Its the same with people who are saying Fury's finished after watching him against Pianeta, was Tyson really that much worse that night than when stopped Chisora in the their rematch or even beat Wlad?? Fury and Khan have had their fair share of sub par performances before, judge them when they step back up to the top level

Doesn't look like the Brook fight is happening does it. I can see Kell throwing a major wobbly if Ed gets Khan the Pac fight and leaves him hanging out to dry. Couldn't blame him either after he stepped in to save Eds backside with the GGG fight after Eubank bitched out. Maybe it's time for Ed to show a bit of loyalty and sort Brook out. He's arguably never recovered from the GGG fight despite putting up a decent fight while it lasted.

Nah no looking likely is it mate, gutted as I love that fight still, I am waning though, I hate the thought of Khan fannying about again and leaving it until way past its sell by date as a cash out fight like Mayweather/Pacquiao

Ive always been a pretty massive Brook fan I'm just gutted how his careers panned out, could've been so much better, I'm pretty sure he turned pro the year Khan won Silver, Ive always thought he'd muller Khan and I still do, incidently I give Khan a real chance against Pacquiao

[Stuarty]

While Khan looked poor on Saturday and certainly hasn't improved, I still think its a bit quick to say he's finished, Khan's whole career has been littered with poor showings even since he fought Limond for the Commonwealth all they years ago, Gomez, Diaz, Algieri were all flat poor performances sandwiched inbetween some great fights

Its the same with people who are saying Fury's finished after watching him against Pianeta, was Tyson really that much worse that night than when stopped Chisora in the their rematch or even beat Wlad?? Fury and Khan have had their fair share of sub par performances before, judge them when they step back up to the top level

Doesn't look like the Brook fight is happening does it. I can see Kell throwing a major wobbly if Ed gets Khan the Pac fight and leaves him hanging out to dry. Couldn't blame him either after he stepped in to save Eds backside with the GGG fight after Eubank bitched out. Maybe it's time for Ed to show a bit of loyalty and sort Brook out. He's arguably never recovered from the GGG fight despite putting up a decent fight while it lasted.

Nah no looking likely is it mate, gutted as I love that fight still, I am waning though, I hate the thought of Khan fannying about again and leaving it until way past its sell by date as a cash out fight like Mayweather/Pacquiao

Ive always been a pretty massive Brook fan I'm just gutted how his careers panned out, could've been so much better, I'm pretty sure he turned pro the year Khan won Silver, Ive always thought he'd muller Khan and I still do, incidently I give Khan a real chance against Pacquiao

I'd favour Pac against Khan but I certainly wouldn't write Khan off. Would be quite a fun fight probably. Still hope Brook gets it before Khan since Khan doesn't seem interested in facing Brook. That would be a well deserved twos up.....

[samwbr]

Manny will knock Khan spark out if they do fight even at this stage of his career. He's sparred enough rounds with him to know what's he up against and knows landing anything decent will have him on his arse or doing his crazy legs. This phase is about a cheque and nothing more for Khan.

[KiwiRider]

Manny will knock Khan spark out if they do fight even at this stage of his career. He's sparred enough rounds with him to know what's he up against and knows landing anything decent will have him on his arse or doing his crazy legs. This phase is about a cheque and nothing more for Khan.

Yep, your on the money there mate
Also Manny has recently shown he can still carry his power into the middle rounds, and Khan has shown his speed and activity fades a bit at that stage. It dosent bode well for Khan to avoid kissing the canvas.

[Stuarty]

Manny will knock Khan spark out if they do fight even at this stage of his career. He's sparred enough rounds with him to know what's he up against and knows landing anything decent will have him on his arse or doing his crazy legs. This phase is about a cheque and nothing more for Khan.

I wouldn't write Khan off tbh mate. Manny has slowed considerably and apart from knocking out a shop worn Mattysse his last stoppage was donkeys years back. I'd certainly favour Pacquiao but it wouldn't surprise me if Khan got a points decision. All hypothetical of course. I'm hoping Brook gets the Pacquiao fight anyway...

[ewenhay]

Manny is 40 in a few weeks.

If Khan has to wait until Pacquao is 40 to have any chance of beating someone who is a much smaller man then it's hardly a glowing endorsement of Khan's abilities.

It's embarrassing that he's calling out Pacquao at this stage.

[Stuarty]

Manny is 40 in a few weeks.

If Khan has to wait until Pacquao is 40 to have any chance of beating someone who is a much smaller man then it's hardly a glowing endorsement of Khan's abilities.

It's embarrassing that he's calling out Pacquao at this stage.

Pacquiao is still a big name and Khan probably sees him as a high reward low risk type of fight. That's obviously not the case but he's still a bigger pay day than younger and probably more dangerous guys at this stage.

I'd love to see Brook get the fight and stick it right up Khan tbh...

[ewenhay]

Yeah I know it's about the money but it's still embarrassing listening to him call out Pacquao as if he's the biggest challenge out there.

If he was really serious he'd be calling out Spence, Crawford, Thurman. Even Porter, Garcia or Brook are more relevant now than Manny

[rd350lc]

Yeah I know it's about the money but it's still embarrassing listening to him call out Pacquao as if he's the biggest challenge out there.

If he was really serious he'd be calling out Spence, Crawford, Thurman. Even Porter, Garcia or Brook are more relevant now than Manny

I think he knows he wouldn't beat any of them .

[ewenhay]

Yeah I think he'd lose to all of them too.

Boxing isn't a part time sport. If you want to achieve things at the top level you've got to commit to the life and Khan lost that desire around about the Garcia and Peterson fights which is a long time ago now.