Hardest punch

zebgonzo · Post by **zebgonzo** » 05 May 2006, 03:37

Now, you have probably had this issue up before, but since I am new I would like evryones opinion on who have/had the hardest punch in boxing. Personaly I favor Louis followed by Liston and Foreman.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 05 May 2006, 06:10

1. Rocky Marciano
2. George Foreman
3. Jope Frazier
4. Mike Tyson
5. Sonny Liston

SteveO · Post by **SteveO** » 05 May 2006, 10:07

Earnie Shavers

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 05 May 2006, 10:23

p4p

Hearns

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 05 May 2006, 10:24

Saddler

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 05 May 2006, 13:18

Why do people always give HW as the hardest punchers? P4P it could be any weight. But how do you measure it? KO %? Well if you KO bums then it doesn't count does it?

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 05 May 2006, 17:31

Upper weight classes: Shavers or Tyson
Middle weight classes: Hearns or Mugabi
Lower weight classes: Gomez or Rosario

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 05 May 2006, 20:19

Pound-for-pound? Bob Foster.

Not pound-for-pound? Earnie Shavers.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 06 May 2006, 06:08

Decagon wrote:But Foster didn't carry his power when he went up in weight, the way Tommy Hearns did.

Light heavyweight to heavyweight is much more difficult than say, welterweight to middleweight.

And also, Foster's heavyweight opponents were very durable. Terrell, Frazier, Ali etc...

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 06 May 2006, 10:19

Bob Foster ,viscous left hook.
Lew Jenkins, pulverizing right hand.
Sonny liston ,K.O. power in his jab.
Tyson great uppercut.

I happened to see Louis' k.o. of Johnny Paycheck last night. Total devastation.

JC · Post by JC » 06 May 2006, 12:22

Julian Jackson had chilling power which seemed to come from nowhere. If you watch is fights his punches don't look that concussive, but many of the fighters he KO'ed were totally out cold in before they hit the canvas, they don't even put there arms out to save themselves.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 06 May 2006, 13:05

J-C wrote:Julian Jackson had chilling power which seemed to come from nowhere. If you watch is fights his punches don't look that concussive, but many of the fighters he KO'ed were totally out cold in before they hit the canvas, they don't even put there arms out to save themselves.

Bob Foster did the same thing Jackson did, but to more durable opponents.

JC · Post by JC » 06 May 2006, 13:48

DoubleM wrote:
J-C wrote:Julian Jackson had chilling power which seemed to come from nowhere. If you watch is fights his punches don't look that concussive, but many of the fighters he KO'ed were totally out cold in before they hit the canvas, they don't even put there arms out to save themselves.
Bob Foster did the same thing Jackson did, but to more durable opponents.

No doubt. I'd rank Foster as a better puncher than Jackson, it's just with Jackson I cant really see where the power is coming from.

As for the hardest puncher ever, I don't think it's something you can answer definitively, certainly not in a p4p sense.

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 06 May 2006, 14:51

bob foster my arse!!! have u seen his fight with ali?? there is like a 30 second period where ali stands and takes bob's 1-2s, and fakes a groggy monkey dance after each 1, n then comes back and embarasses foster. Great boxer, but not in say a top 50 pound for pound list.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 06 May 2006, 15:20

mattym wrote:bob foster my arse!!! have u seen his fight with ali?? there is like a 30 second period where ali stands and takes bob's 1-2s, and fakes a groggy monkey dance after each 1, n then comes back and embarasses foster. Great boxer, but not in say a top 50 pound for pound list.

Uhm... This is Muhammad Ali we are talking about. Not only was he one of the most durable champions of all time, he also had a forty pounds weight advantage!!

Did you conveniently miss Foster's knockouts at light heavyweight? Mike Quarry, the very durable younger brother of Jerry, was on the end of possibly the most brutal one punch knockout of all time, courtesy of Foster's left hook. Dick Tiger was floored only once in a long career before facing Foster... Where he was knocked out by a single left hook, rendering him temporarily deaf. Henry Hank was stopped only once in his long career... By Foster. Vicente Rondon was knocked out cold, his foot left twitching and a stretcher was required to remove him from the arena after a three punch knockout... His skull was cracked in two places.

These are only a few examples. Foster had frightful power.

JC · Post by JC » 06 May 2006, 15:30

mattym wrote:bob foster my arse!!! have u seen his fight with ali?? there is like a 30 second period where ali stands and takes bob's 1-2s, and fakes a groggy monkey dance after each 1, n then comes back and embarasses foster. Great boxer, but not in say a top 50 pound for pound list.

Yes it surprising he didn't KO old "China Chin" Ali.

If you watch the fight Ali seems to be surprised by how good Fosters jab is.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 06 May 2006, 15:32

J-C wrote:
mattym wrote:bob foster my arse!!! have u seen his fight with ali?? there is like a 30 second period where ali stands and takes bob's 1-2s, and fakes a groggy monkey dance after each 1, n then comes back and embarasses foster. Great boxer, but not in say a top 50 pound for pound list.
Yes it surprising he didn't KO old "China Chin" Ali.

If you watch the fight Ali seems to be surprised by how good Fosters jab is.

Good observation. Foster's jab was very good. Fast, powerful and very long. It's actually surprising that Foster had such a good, short hook considering the length of his arms. Normally it's the tall guys that have the hard straight punches (Hearns, Arguello) and the short, stocky ones who have the hard hooks and uppercuts (Frazier, Tyson).

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 07 May 2006, 02:46

Carlos Zarate, Earnie Shavers, Archie Moore, Jimmy Wilde, Hearns.....

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 08 May 2006, 12:55

DoubleM wrote:
mattym wrote:bob foster my arse!!! have u seen his fight with ali?? there is like a 30 second period where ali stands and takes bob's 1-2s, and fakes a groggy monkey dance after each 1, n then comes back and embarasses foster. Great boxer, but not in say a top 50 pound for pound list.
Uhm... This is Muhammad Ali we are talking about. Not only was he one of the most durable champions of all time, he also had a forty pounds weight advantage!!

Did you conveniently miss Foster's knockouts at light heavyweight? Mike Quarry, the very durable younger brother of Jerry, was on the end of possibly the most brutal one punch knockout of all time, courtesy of Foster's left hook. Dick Tiger was floored only once in a long career before facing Foster... Where he was knocked out by a single left hook, rendering him temporarily deaf. Henry Hank was stopped only once in his long career... By Foster. Vicente Rondon was knocked out cold, his foot left twitching and a stretcher was required to remove him from the arena after a three punch knockout... His skull was cracked in two places.

These are only a few examples. Foster had frightful power.

yeah sure im not saying he didn't have power, id be a complete idiot to say that, but ali really did mock him, so i think to be called "hardest puncher" no one should be able to laugh at taking 6 of your punches in the face.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 08 May 2006, 13:02

mattym wrote:
DoubleM wrote:
mattym wrote:bob foster my arse!!! have u seen his fight with ali?? there is like a 30 second period where ali stands and takes bob's 1-2s, and fakes a groggy monkey dance after each 1, n then comes back and embarasses foster. Great boxer, but not in say a top 50 pound for pound list.
Uhm... This is Muhammad Ali we are talking about. Not only was he one of the most durable champions of all time, he also had a forty pounds weight advantage!!

Did you conveniently miss Foster's knockouts at light heavyweight? Mike Quarry, the very durable younger brother of Jerry, was on the end of possibly the most brutal one punch knockout of all time, courtesy of Foster's left hook. Dick Tiger was floored only once in a long career before facing Foster... Where he was knocked out by a single left hook, rendering him temporarily deaf. Henry Hank was stopped only once in his long career... By Foster. Vicente Rondon was knocked out cold, his foot left twitching and a stretcher was required to remove him from the arena after a three punch knockout... His skull was cracked in two places.

These are only a few examples. Foster had frightful power.
yeah sure im not saying he didn't have power, id be a complete idiot to say that, but ali really did mock him, so i think to be called "hardest puncher" no one should be able to laugh at taking 6 of your punches in the face.

Do you not understand? This is the ever durable Muhammad Ali, with forty pounds over Foster.

It's like Carlos Zarate weighing 118lbs trying to hurt a prime, lightweight Julio Cesar Chavez. Or Kostya Tszyu weighing 140lbs and trying to hurt Carlos Monzon...

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 09 May 2006, 02:11

I don't know how to measure Tommy Hearns's power, I mean is he as strong as a light heavyweight, super middleweight, or middleweight?

Also Tyson's uppercut was a thing of beauty, especially the uppercuts he set up against Jesse Ferguson.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 11 May 2006, 20:15

Joe Louis.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 11 May 2006, 20:27

Welcome back Rory

hawaiianpunch · Post by **hawaiianpunch** » 11 May 2006, 22:21

Probably without regards to weight I'd go with Shavers. In recent times pound for pound, I'd have to go with Julian Jackson. Hearns did KO Duran, Cuevas etc in awesome fashion. But the Way people fall at the hands of Jackson (Norris, Graham etc) is out of this world.