Your current p4p list?

[Sorono]

Silliness. Only hardcore European boxing fans really give a crap about the division or any of the names that you spew. They are top fighters in the division but doesn't mean that they are top fighters in the sport. The same people that love Usyk and these other Cruiserweights are the same losers wasting space in here with Povetkin posts every other day.

Mentioning usyk in the same sentence with povetkin is silly. One is the best cw ever, the other a b class heavyweight.

Maybe not casual fans of boxing know much about the current cw scene, but boxrec is a forum for experts and experts love the current cw divisions.

You are cracked because there's maybe 3 or 4 people that I've run into on this site in my years of membership that I would consider "experts" and they are all long gone now. Now you have a bunch of people that "think" they are experts but couldn't be further from it.

For you to say that Usyk is one of the greatest ever is one of the most ridiculous statements i've heard on here. You would definitely be falling in the latter half of my statement above.

A olympic gold medalist who turns pro and wins every fight against the best cruiserweights, has the most impressiv record of any cw ever in the first 14 fight. Holyfield and haye didnt have such impressiv records in the first 14 bouts they had. Usyl has the perfect height, reach, build perfectly for a cw. Has better footwork than holyfield, is techniquly superior and is more versatile in his offence. He is so good that totaly schooled 6,6 joe joyce in the amateurs. Some even say usyk would be the most likly to beat joshua. Wilder is a very strong puncher, but very open for counter attack and limited techniquly. Usyk plus some more pounds muscle would be a problem for any heavyweight.

[squiggy]

I think he's already put together the best cruiserweight campaign since Evander's, and if he beats Gassiev and sticks around the division won't have to do all that much more to surpass him.

[DrDuke]

Let's say, Holyfield had 5 big names in his CW resume: Qawi 2X, De Leon, Tillman, Ocasio, Parkey. He became a champ in 12 fights, an undisputed champ in 18 fights. Usyk for the moment has 3 big names: Huck, Briedis, Glowacki with Gassiev on the line. He became a champ in 10 fights, he has the chance to become an undisputed champ in 15 fights. Of course, Usyk will be at least #2 CW of all time just after Holyfield, if he wins Gassiev.

[Sorono]

Let's say, Holyfield had 5 big names in his CW resume: Qawi 2X, De Leon, Tillman, Ocasio, Parkey. He became a champ in 12 fights, an undisputed champ in 18 fights. Usyk for the moment has 3 big names: Huck, Briedis, Glowacki with Gassiev on the line. He became a champ in 10 fights, he has the chance to become an undisputed champ in 15 fights. Of course, Usyk will be at least #2 CW of all time just after Holyfield, if he wins Gassiev.

Parkey and ocasio. Guys with 10-20 losses. These guys lost 50% of their fights. They not even on hunter or mchunu level.

Usyk has the best record and as a boxer, his abilitys just better than holyfield

[tiny_acres]

Let's say, Holyfield had 5 big names in his CW resume: Qawi 2X, De Leon, Tillman, Ocasio, Parkey. He became a champ in 12 fights, an undisputed champ in 18 fights. Usyk for the moment has 3 big names: Huck, Briedis, Glowacki with Gassiev on the line. He became a champ in 10 fights, he has the chance to become an undisputed champ in 15 fights. Of course, Usyk will be at least #2 CW of all time just after Holyfield, if he wins Gassiev.

Parkey and ocasio. Guys with 10-20 losses. These guys lost 50% of their fights. They not even on hunter or mchunu level.

Usyk has the best record and as a boxer, his abilitys just better than holyfield

Hi Kalan. It took longer than I thought for you to show back up

[jamamb]

jermall gotta step up that comp, p4p talent but not the wins to make his spot clear. trouts just a gatekeeper and jrock is second tier. hugo blows and was 9-0'd by sulecki b4 getting stopped

[jamamb]

1. Terrance Crawford
2. GGG
3. Lomachenco
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Jermall Charlo
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Gervonta Davis
9. Leo Santa Cruz
10. Anthony Joshua

Honorable Mention: Errol Spence Jr (just not busy enough for me). Jermell Charlo (coming off dull performance). Keith Thurman (only active fighters considered). Sergey Kovalev (Could make a big jump with a win). Billy Joe Saunders (backed out of too many fights for my liking). Oleksandr Usyk (he's getting closer and closer). Canelo Alvarez (failing a test gets you off my list).

lol you had spence as your p4p #1 a few months ago and started a thread about it, now he doesnt even make your list

just reaffirms my feeling that you dont actually believe much of what you say, and simply post what you think will get you attention at that time

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[jamamb]

Don't really see why Kovalev is being ranked. Not beat anyone great since getting stopped by Ward, whatever people think of the Stevenson sitatuion, he hasn't got the win over him, I certainly don't think he's even reestablished himself as No.1 in the division with some of the up and comers too, I don't think his resume is that stacked and I think it's to be seen if Ward took something out of him.

whats your list then bruh, lets see who think should defo be ahead of him

hes not on several lists, so he has fallen, but i dont see issue with a lower top 10 for him, he was ultra competitive with ward and couldve easily gotten the decision first time, which wouldve been a huge win compared to what most have. between like 20 rounds they were very evenly split, and even with lossess that means something vs someone as good as ward, who was arguably top 3 p4p at the time. ward was way way way better then guys like those who crawford or ggg or garcia has been beating, so i cant really hold losing against kov too much. guys like zlaticanin and indongo and lemiux are LOL compared to ward

theres some really promising up and comers, but if your going on wins, please, a guy like bivol has beaten sully barrera and thats it, same barrera who got floored and in a tough fight with the shabransky everyone trashes for kov (kov beat him waaay easier then barrera did). kovs next fight will be interesting, alvarez is legit top 5 or so and would easily be one of the biggest wins lately in the division

[caldo2025]

1. Terrance Crawford
2. GGG
3. Lomachenco
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Jermall Charlo
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Gervonta Davis
9. Leo Santa Cruz
10. Anthony Joshua

Honorable Mention: Errol Spence Jr (just not busy enough for me). Jermell Charlo (coming off dull performance). Keith Thurman (only active fighters considered). Sergey Kovalev (Could make a big jump with a win). Billy Joe Saunders (backed out of too many fights for my liking). Oleksandr Usyk (he's getting closer and closer). Canelo Alvarez (failing a test gets you off my list).

lol you had spence as your p4p #1 a few months ago and started a thread about it, now he doesnt even make your list

just reaffirms my feeling that you dont actually believe much of what you say, and simply post what you think will get you attention at that time

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Not that you deserve a response being the stalker that you are hinging your life on every word that i type but I thought i'd make your day. I actually dug deep on Erroll Spence Jr and over a span of a few days watched all of his fights and I wasn't impressed as i thought i was with him.

For one, he takes way too many shots than he should and from less than stellar opposition. If you haven't noticed, Spence Jr has fought absolutely nobody. The one fight he had against a top opponent in Kell Brook, I had him losing that fight until the broken eye socket. He was getting outclassed. I actually watched that fight 2 days in a row and i'm pissed that Brook's face fell apart because that was going to be a loss for Spence. But you can't change history and yes, Brook's face broke because of what Spence did so i guess he should get credit as well.

The only other fight worth mentioning was Algieri but we all know Algieri is not top quality. Not at all. Terrance Crawford would smother Spence Jr. and outclass him in a landslide. He is just way more talented. So I can do research and change my opinion any time i want.

[world ranked]

Don't really see why Kovalev is being ranked. Not beat anyone great since getting stopped by Ward, whatever people think of the Stevenson sitatuion, he hasn't got the win over him, I certainly don't think he's even reestablished himself as No.1 in the division with some of the up and comers too, I don't think his resume is that stacked and I think it's to be seen if Ward took something out of him.

If you rated Ward he did "beat" Ward so that alone shows you he's on that level the Cleverly win wasnt a bad one at the time either. His resume stacks up with guys like Crawford and Spence in terms important name wins imo.

[Heretic]

This is going to be long winded.

On February 1st I posted this:

1. Gennady Golovkin
2. Terence Crawford
3. Vasyl Lomachenko
4. Saul Alvarez
5. Srisaket Sor Rungivsai
6. Nayoa Inoue
7. Mikey Garcia
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Oleksandr Usyk
10. Errol Spence Jr.

I think Golovkin has beaten Canelo and Jacobs (probably #2 and #3) in the past 18 months so it'd be unfair to drop him. I also try to rank fighters on resume rather than the eye test. I know you could argue that the official result against Canelo should mean he should be dropped but its my list so its my rules.

Linares is a better win than Horn so Loma maybe deserves to move above Crawford.

I'm not sure how to tackle the Alvarez drug issue. I think he's been dropped from the RING rankings so I'll probably do the same from my equally prestigious rankings. Unlucky, Saul, you're out. Everyone moves up a place.

Mikey (then #7, now #6) has fought once since my previous list. That was a UD over Lipinets. A good win but not enough to move higher. Garcia stays at #6.

Kovalev, Usyk and Spence are potentially interchangeable for me. Part of me feels like Kovalev shouldn't be there but his resume is deeper than that of Usyk and Spence. Maybe Spence would move above Usyk with another KO win, albeit against a weak opponent. I'll stick with Kovalev at #7 by virtue of his losses (I thought he won the first) coming against a top fighter in Ward. Then Spence at #8 and Usyk at #9. But if Usyk beats Gassiev this summer he probably goes above both to #7 and maybe even threatens Garcia at #6 depending on how Mikey looks against Easter.

Now to decide who comes in at #10. I'd probably go with Thurman but he misses out due to inactivity. Juan Francisco Estrada is in the 10-15 range but he's coming off a loss so misses out. A winner in the Stevenson-Jack fight would have made the top 10 for me. I've got them both just outside. I'm going to go with Leo Santa Cruz. He has wins over Frampton and Mares in the last 18 months. If he fights and beats Russell Jr then he solidifies his position. Right now it's vulnerable and a good comeback win for Thurman, or a win for Stevenson/Jack if they rematch, or a win for Estrada if he rematches Sor Rungvisai might be enough to overtake. If Joshua was to beat Wilder I'd have to consider him too. He's way past his prime but I think Manny beat Horn so for me his record post-Floyd should read as wins over Bradley, Vargas and Horn. Again, the official result is that Horn lost but I'm going off my own scorecards.

TL;DR?

1. Gennady Golovkin
2. Vasyl Lomachenko
3. Terence Crawford
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Naoya Inoue
6. Mikey Garcia
7. Sergey Kovalev
8. Errol Spence Jr
9. Oleksandr Usyk
10. Leo Santa Cruz

Honourable mentions: Adonis Stevenson, Badou Jack, Juan Francisco Estrada, Keith Thurman, Anthony Joshua, Manny Pacquiao.

This sounds about right.

Yeah that's a good list with good explanation too

[Sorono]

At this point of time both kovalev and Stevenson are done. Bivol is the best lh in the world and it wouldn't be crazy to put him in the top 10. He is that good.

[Heretic]

At this point of time both kovalev and Stevenson are done. Bivol is the best lh in the world and it wouldn't be crazy to put him in the top 10. He is that good.

The way I rank boxers is by resume. Looking like million bucks against light opposition is not enough. For high ranking boxer needs the great wins.

Otherwise the list would be full of names like Price, Broner and Matthysse. And in the next month there would be new set of eye candy.

Spence is good example of fighter that seems to have it all. Hes still lacking in the resume part tho. Still I put him on as number 7

I have not seen anything that proves that Kovalev is over the hill. When he looses to some mediocre opponent I will drop him of from my list.

[caldo2025]

Mentioning usyk in the same sentence with povetkin is silly. One is the best cw ever, the other a b class heavyweight.

Maybe not casual fans of boxing know much about the current cw scene, but boxrec is a forum for experts and experts love the current cw divisions.

You are cracked because there's maybe 3 or 4 people that I've run into on this site in my years of membership that I would consider "experts" and they are all long gone now. Now you have a bunch of people that "think" they are experts but couldn't be further from it.

For you to say that Usyk is one of the greatest ever is one of the most ridiculous statements i've heard on here. You would definitely be falling in the latter half of my statement above.

A olympic gold medalist who turns pro and wins every fight against the best cruiserweights, has the most impressiv record of any cw ever in the first 14 fight. Holyfield and haye didnt have such impressiv records in the first 14 bouts they had. Usyl has the perfect height, reach, build perfectly for a cw. Has better footwork than holyfield, is techniquly superior and is more versatile in his offence. He is so good that totaly schooled 6,6 joe joyce in the amateurs. Some even say usyk would be the most likly to beat joshua. Wilder is a very strong puncher, but very open for counter attack and limited techniquly. Usyk plus some more pounds muscle would be a problem for any heavyweight.

YOU are a prime example of exactly what I dislike about this sport now. Everyone is in such a rush to apply superlatives to boxers. What's the hurry? Can't these guys earn it first? You are an insult to the truly great boxers that have earned their accolades inside the ring. Do you know how some say that truly crazy people don't realize that their crazy. I wonder if it's the same with stupidity. Like do you realize how ridiculously stupid it is of you to call a boxer with 14 pro fights under his belt, the greatest CW of all time? Does it ring sour to you when you spell it out slowly in your head? I am just in awe of some of you people on this site. I hate calling people idiotic or stupid but it's beyond warranted when I see an opinion like this. I bet you also think that Loma is the greatest of all time even though he got his ass beat by Salido and knocked on his hind parts in his last fight right?

[Heretic]

You are cracked because there's maybe 3 or 4 people that I've run into on this site in my years of membership that I would consider "experts" and they are all long gone now. Now you have a bunch of people that "think" they are experts but couldn't be further from it.

For you to say that Usyk is one of the greatest ever is one of the most ridiculous statements i've heard on here. You would definitely be falling in the latter half of my statement above.

A olympic gold medalist who turns pro and wins every fight against the best cruiserweights, has the most impressiv record of any cw ever in the first 14 fight. Holyfield and haye didnt have such impressiv records in the first 14 bouts they had. Usyl has the perfect height, reach, build perfectly for a cw. Has better footwork than holyfield, is techniquly superior and is more versatile in his offence. He is so good that totaly schooled 6,6 joe joyce in the amateurs. Some even say usyk would be the most likly to beat joshua. Wilder is a very strong puncher, but very open for counter attack and limited techniquly. Usyk plus some more pounds muscle would be a problem for any heavyweight.

YOU are a prime example of exactly what I dislike about this sport now. Everyone is in such a rush to apply superlatives to boxers. What's the hurry? Can't these guys earn it first? You are an insult to the truly great boxers that have earned their accolades inside the ring. Do you know how some say that truly crazy people don't realize that their crazy. I wonder if it's the same with stupidity. Like do you realize how ridiculously stupid it is of you to call a boxer with 14 pro fights under his belt, the greatest CW of all time? Does it ring sour to you when you spell it out slowly in your head? I am just in awe of some of you people on this site. I hate calling people idiotic or stupid but it's beyond warranted when I see an opinion like this. I bet you also think that Loma is the greatest of all time even though he got his ass beat by Salido and knocked on his hind parts in his last fight right?

Yeah you can't be real champion if you have not beaten 20 taxi drivers before you move into the championship game

[Heretic]

I mean Wilder beat like 30 before beating one top 10 level boxer and look how he is revered

Thats the way to do it

[jamamb]

You are cracked because there's maybe 3 or 4 people that I've run into on this site in my years of membership that I would consider "experts" and they are all long gone now. Now you have a bunch of people that "think" they are experts but couldn't be further from it.

For you to say that Usyk is one of the greatest ever is one of the most ridiculous statements i've heard on here. You would definitely be falling in the latter half of my statement above.

A olympic gold medalist who turns pro and wins every fight against the best cruiserweights, has the most impressiv record of any cw ever in the first 14 fight. Holyfield and haye didnt have such impressiv records in the first 14 bouts they had. Usyl has the perfect height, reach, build perfectly for a cw. Has better footwork than holyfield, is techniquly superior and is more versatile in his offence. He is so good that totaly schooled 6,6 joe joyce in the amateurs. Some even say usyk would be the most likly to beat joshua. Wilder is a very strong puncher, but very open for counter attack and limited techniquly. Usyk plus some more pounds muscle would be a problem for any heavyweight.

YOU are a prime example of exactly what I dislike about this sport now. Everyone is in such a rush to apply superlatives to boxers. What's the hurry? Can't these guys earn it first? You are an insult to the truly great boxers that have earned their accolades inside the ring. Do you know how some say that truly crazy people don't realize that their crazy. I wonder if it's the same with stupidity. Like do you realize how ridiculously stupid it is of you to call a boxer with 14 pro fights under his belt, the greatest CW of all time? Does it ring sour to you when you spell it out slowly in your head? I am just in awe of some of you people on this site. I hate calling people idiotic or stupid but it's beyond warranted when I see an opinion like this. I bet you also think that Loma is the greatest of all time even though he got his ass beat by Salido and knocked on his hind parts in his last fight right?

the irony of this, and yet errol beating up peterson triggered a p4p #1 thread from you

[Sorono]

At this point of time both kovalev and Stevenson are done. Bivol is the best lh in the world and it wouldn't be crazy to put him in the top 10. He is that good.

The way I rank boxers is by resume. Looking like million bucks against light opposition is not enough. For high ranking boxer needs the great wins.

Otherwise the list would be full of names like Price, Broner and Matthysse. And in the next month there would be new set of eye candy.

Spence is good example of fighter that seems to have it all. Hes still lacking in the resume part tho. Still I put him on as number 7

I have not seen anything that proves that Kovalev is over the hill. When he looses to some mediocre opponent I will drop him of from my list.

If you ranked according to resume than rungvisal should be 1 or 2. He beat the back than p4p #1 impressively and best estrada. And who is infront of rungvisal in everybody's lists. Crawford. Don't tell me beating horn, indongo and postol is as impressive as beating gonzales and estrada.

And why does everybody have crawford over rungvisal, because people think crawford the better boxer, not because of the record!

Kovalev gassed badly against a super middleweight. He won against ward. But both are overrated. One has not so good condition, the other fight illegal and very dirty, should be dq'd

Ward had a reason why he stopped. He wanted 0 part with these big monsters bivol, gvozdyk, bert etc

[Heretic]

At this point of time both kovalev and Stevenson are done. Bivol is the best lh in the world and it wouldn't be crazy to put him in the top 10. He is that good.

The way I rank boxers is by resume. Looking like million bucks against light opposition is not enough. For high ranking boxer needs the great wins.

Otherwise the list would be full of names like Price, Broner and Matthysse. And in the next month there would be new set of eye candy.

Spence is good example of fighter that seems to have it all. Hes still lacking in the resume part tho. Still I put him on as number 7

I have not seen anything that proves that Kovalev is over the hill. When he looses to some mediocre opponent I will drop him of from my list.

If you ranked according to resume than rungvisal should be 1 or 2. He beat the back than p4p #1 impressively and best estrada. And who is infront of rungvisal in everybody's lists. Crawford. Don't tell me beating horn, indongo and postol is as impressive as beating gonzales and estrada.

And why does everybody have crawford over rungvisal, because people think crawford the better boxer, not because of the record!

Kovalev gassed badly against a super middleweight. He won against ward. But both are overrated. One has not so good condition, the other fight illegal and very dirty, should be dq'd

Ward had a reason why he stopped. He wanted 0 part with these big monsters bivol, gvozdyk, bert etc

Yeah I guess you are right about Sor Rungvisai. I have him at 4 spot now.

Crawford is bit like Spence. He gets points on ability even if that's not the best way to rank boxers. I do think that hes win over Indongo was really good. Horn is also a tough bastard. Crawford gets some extra points for making it look easy against that level of opponents.

I hope to see Ward next time when I end my journey in hell

[Sorono]

You are cracked because there's maybe 3 or 4 people that I've run into on this site in my years of membership that I would consider "experts" and they are all long gone now. Now you have a bunch of people that "think" they are experts but couldn't be further from it.

For you to say that Usyk is one of the greatest ever is one of the most ridiculous statements i've heard on here. You would definitely be falling in the latter half of my statement above.

A olympic gold medalist who turns pro and wins every fight against the best cruiserweights, has the most impressiv record of any cw ever in the first 14 fight. Holyfield and haye didnt have such impressiv records in the first 14 bouts they had. Usyl has the perfect height, reach, build perfectly for a cw. Has better footwork than holyfield, is techniquly superior and is more versatile in his offence. He is so good that totaly schooled 6,6 joe joyce in the amateurs. Some even say usyk would be the most likly to beat joshua. Wilder is a very strong puncher, but very open for counter attack and limited techniquly. Usyk plus some more pounds muscle would be a problem for any heavyweight.

YOU are a prime example of exactly what I dislike about this sport now. Everyone is in such a rush to apply superlatives to boxers. What's the hurry? Can't these guys earn it first? You are an insult to the truly great boxers that have earned their accolades inside the ring. Do you know how some say that truly crazy people don't realize that their crazy. I wonder if it's the same with stupidity. Like do you realize how ridiculously stupid it is of you to call a boxer with 14 pro fights under his belt, the greatest CW of all time? Does it ring sour to you when you spell it out slowly in your head? I am just in awe of some of you people on this site. I hate calling people idiotic or stupid but it's beyond warranted when I see an opinion like this. I bet you also think that Loma is the greatest of all time even though he got his ass beat by Salido and knocked on his hind parts in his last fight right?

Holyfield only had 17 fights and is considered the best cw ever. 14, what a huge difference to 17.

Lomachenko is among the 10 best boxer ever.
Salido, who didn't make weight and came as a lightweight some say in the ring. A fight in which loma won like most say.

Tell me another boxer who has such an impressive record in his first 12 fight, with opponents who have olympic gold medals and considered #1 in their division until loma beat them. Tell me another boxer with such physical abilitys and technique. Very short list


Leonard
Mayweather
Jones
Robinson
Whitacker
Robinson
Ali

and loma is part of this small group of boxer with not only good, but totally exceptional rare talent

[caldo2025]

A olympic gold medalist who turns pro and wins every fight against the best cruiserweights, has the most impressiv record of any cw ever in the first 14 fight. Holyfield and haye didnt have such impressiv records in the first 14 bouts they had. Usyl has the perfect height, reach, build perfectly for a cw. Has better footwork than holyfield, is techniquly superior and is more versatile in his offence. He is so good that totaly schooled 6,6 joe joyce in the amateurs. Some even say usyk would be the most likly to beat joshua. Wilder is a very strong puncher, but very open for counter attack and limited techniquly. Usyk plus some more pounds muscle would be a problem for any heavyweight.

YOU are a prime example of exactly what I dislike about this sport now. Everyone is in such a rush to apply superlatives to boxers. What's the hurry? Can't these guys earn it first? You are an insult to the truly great boxers that have earned their accolades inside the ring. Do you know how some say that truly crazy people don't realize that their crazy. I wonder if it's the same with stupidity. Like do you realize how ridiculously stupid it is of you to call a boxer with 14 pro fights under his belt, the greatest CW of all time? Does it ring sour to you when you spell it out slowly in your head? I am just in awe of some of you people on this site. I hate calling people idiotic or stupid but it's beyond warranted when I see an opinion like this. I bet you also think that Loma is the greatest of all time even though he got his ass beat by Salido and knocked on his hind parts in his last fight right?

Holyfield only had 17 fights and is considered the best cw ever. 14, what a huge difference to 17.

Lomachenko is among the 10 best boxer ever.
Salido, who didn't make weight and came as a lightweight some say in the ring. A fight in which loma won like most say.

Tell me another boxer who has such an impressive record in his first 12 fight, with opponents who have olympic gold medals and considered #1 in their division until loma beat them. Tell me another boxer with such physical abilitys and technique. Very short list


Leonard
Mayweather
Jones
Robinson
Whitacker
Robinson
Ali

and loma is part of this small group of boxer with not only good, but totally exceptional rare talent

There's 2 ways that i can take this message: Way 1- You feel that Loma is the greatest because of the talent that you're witnessing. I'll respectfully disagree with that as I've seen plenty of boxers begin their careers in more dominating fashion. My jaw doesn't drop because Loma can keep a tennis ball going while attached to his hat or can play Simon Says with that stupid memory machine on his wall. Loma's been beaten inside the ring and got all that he could handle in his last fight while tasting the canvas. Yes, footwork is great...blah blah blah...he's getting TOO cute now and he's beginning to pay for it.

Way2- You really think that Loma is the best ever based off of a 12 fight career that contains a loss against an aging boxer. The 2 wins against Rigo and Walters were a joke as both guys cashed it in well before the first bell. If this is how you meant that statement then you really shouldn't be commenting about boxing dude. Again, it's your kind that kills any intelligent conversation on this site. You're delusional.

[Sorono]

You are funny caldo. You seem to have a hard time reading. I said loma is among the 10 best boxer ever. I never said he is the greatest, the best ever. Prime roy jones jr and prime muhammad ali tasted the canvas. It happens. Its boxing. Sometimes you get knocked down. Or you fight like a bi:;_h and run and hide like Floyd.

Oh yeah, i would be so curious to know these boxer s as impressive or more impressive than loma in the first 12 fights....tell me

[DrDuke]

It's just the right time for an update!

Here's mine:

1. Lomachenko
2. Usyk
3. Crawford
4. Canelo
5. Garcia
6. Joshua
7. Golovkin
8. Spence
9. Inoue
10. E. Alvarez

[ironbeard]

Crawford
Usyk
Loma
Spence
Mikey
AJ
Canelo / GGG
LSC
Eleider

[gilgamesh]

1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. Terence Crawford
4. Saul Alvarez
5. Gennady Golovkin
6. Mikey Garcia
7. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
8. Errol Spence Jr.
9. Naoya Inoue
10. Leo Santa Cruz