Rocky Marciano and his two years in prison for assault and robbery

[Controversial]

There’s a new biography out about Marciano. It claims Marciano was court martialled whilst in the army stationed in Wales, UK and sentenced to seven years hard labour for assault and robbery. He only served two years though. Anyone heard about this conviction before?

[APerno]

Excerpt from Unbeaten by Mike Stanton

If you go to the link below, click the picture of the book cover and then scroll down to the Table of Contents and click Chapter 2, The Brawler in the Brig, you can read pages 45-49

Rocky claims he nailed the guy because the guy grabbed his dick; the Army didn't believe him! The book then states Rocky stayed in the Army an extended period of time so he could get an Honorable Discharge. It is not a pretty picture of Rocky, it paints him as a bully.

Unfortunately this excerpt doesn't allow us to see what sources (footnotes) Mike Stanton used to come up with the story; guess one of us has to buy the book to find out. Stanton has a good reputation as a historian/journalist. But I don't believe nothing no more until I see the sources.

Mike Stanton Bio:

Mike Stanton is the author of The Prince of Providence: The Rise and Fall of Buddy Cianci, America’s Most Notorious Mayor, which was a New York Times bestseller. He is an associate professor of journalism at the University of Connecticut, having previously headed the investigative team at the Providence Journal, where he shared a Pulitzer Prize. He lives in Rhode Island with his wife and two children.

https://www.amazon.com/Unbeaten-Rocky-M ... 1627799192

Assuming it's true, Rocky now gets added to that very long list of prize fighters with an assault record. At least he wasn't banging on a woman, just some drunk aggressive gay guy in a restroom (or maybe not, maybe the guy was just a victim of a bully).

[Controversial]

Excerpt from Unbeaten by Mike Stanton

If you go to the link below, click the picture of the book cover and then scroll down to the Table of Contents and click Chapter 2, The Brawler in the Brig, you can read pages 45-49

Rocky claims he nailed the guy because the guy grabbed his dick; the Army didn't believe him! The book then states Rocky stayed in the Army an extended period of time so he could get an Honorable Discharge. It is not a pretty picture of Rocky, it paints him as a bully.

Unfortunately this excerpt doesn't allow us to see what sources (footnotes) Mike Stanton used to come up with the story; guess one of us has to buy the book to find out. Stanton has a good reputation as a historian/journalist. But I don't believe nothing no more until I see the sources.

Mike Stanton Bio:

Mike Stanton is the author of The Prince of Providence: The Rise and Fall of Buddy Cianci, America’s Most Notorious Mayor, which was a New York Times bestseller. He is an associate professor of journalism at the University of Connecticut, having previously headed the investigative team at the Providence Journal, where he shared a Pulitzer Prize. He lives in Rhode Island with his wife and two children.

https://www.amazon.com/Unbeaten-Rocky-M ... 1627799192

Assuming it's true, Rocky now gets added to that very long list of prize fighters with an assault record. At least he wasn't banging on a woman, just some drunk aggressive gay guy in a restroom (or maybe not, maybe the guy was just a victim of a bully).

It’s said this book by Stanton is a better portrayal of the real Rocky, the other more well known biography by Everett Skehan was said to have been heavily influenced by Marcianos family and they didn’t want any negative comments in the book. To be sentenced to seven years it must have been quite serious, I also read elsewhere it included robbery.

Edit, found this.

“As the author of Unbeaten relates, Marciano had a bit of history with Britain. In the summer of 1944, while stationed outside Bristol as a private with the 348th Engineer Combat Battalion of the US Army, preparing for the amphibious assaults of D-Day, he and a friend were arrested for assaulting and robbing a pair of Englishmen with whom they had been drinking. A court martial sentenced him to hard labour, served back home until he was discharged at the end of 1946.”

[Sidney Carton]

Marciano beat up a British cigarette who repeatedly approached him.

Are the above posters pro-British Cigarettes?

[APerno]

Marciano beat up a faggot who repeatedly approached him.

Are the above posters pro-faggot?

OH Hi, like Jaws you're back!

Did you actually read the excerpt or are you just baiting us? -- the Army didn't believe him because he said he took the guy's wallet so he would have the guy's ID, in case the guy pressed charges he would be able to prove who attacked him (Rocky's odd logic) but then he claimed he lost the wallet, because it fell out of his pocket, (but then they found the wallet in his room) You know, he sounded just like a criminal . . . hey how come you believe the Yank over the Brit?

I thought in your universe a 'fag' was a cigarette butt and you-all called them "poofters" instead, or is that just the Aussies?

Where are you from 'across the pond' or 'down under' ? How do you pronounce SOCCER: (so-cher) or (sock-er)

Wait, which "Sidney" are you, the guy from across the pond, or the one from La-La Land (Southern California) ? -- Sometimes I get the two of you confused, sorry,.

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Actually in trying to read between the lines it sounds like both were true, the guy was a drunk faggot who was following Rocky around and did try to grab him, but when Rocky nailed him for it he then decided to add the guy's wallet to his personal inventory. He probably should have been busted for robbery but not assault; the guy deserved to get nailed.

[Controversial]

Just read the bit in the book, interesting. Apparently Marciano was viewed as "untrustworthy" by officers. It certainly paints him in a different light.

[APerno]

Yea kind of sad! -- In trying to find that excerpt from the book I ran across an old article (1992) that had his daughter Maryanne being sentenced to one year for B&E and dealing cocaine.

Sounds like the entire family came from 'meaner streets' than is usually associated with Rocky, but I guess the toughness had to developed somewhere or maybe it's just in the genes.

I always git a kick out of how Rocky never hesitated to to speak badly of Al Weill publicly, you would think he would be a bit nervous about bad mouthing the mob, but I guess he was real tough (street tough) , not make-believe tough (sports tough).

P.S. Can you believe that they put that piece of shit Al Weill is in the HOF, why not put in 'Blinky' Palermo and Frankie Carbo as well?

[Sidney Carton]

perno and controversial shovel out the filth.

[Controversial]

Yea kind of sad! -- In trying to find that excerpt from the book I ran across an old article (1992) that had his daughter Maryanne being sentenced to one year for B&E and dealing cocaine.

This

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1992-0 ... le-cocaine

[Caractacus]

I think trhe Rock probably just kept the wallet as a souviner to remember the event by.
BTW wasn't there a newspaper article linked here about Rocky's daughter being mugged in Miami Beach
sometime in the early 1970's ?

[gilgamesh]

I edited Sidney's post for Comedic value, but there's nothing funny about what he said. He's gone.

[Cojimar 1946]

Gone where?

[gilgamesh]

Gone where?

Fishin' for all I care, but he ain't on the forum no more.

[Cojimar 1946]

Why was he banned? If it was due to his comment it seems rather silly. People say offensive stuff all the time and it seems pretty arbitrary to say he crossed a line but that's just my humble opinion.

[gilgamesh]

Why was he banned

See the post quoted by A Perno in this thread.

[Controversial]

I'm surprised no one has really commented on this, normally any Marciano post gets loads of replies, even posts not about Marciano end up with him being bought into the conversation.

[jamamb]

ah, so miserable old sid is gone eh, good riddance grumpy

[Flump]

Why was he banned

See the post quoted by A Perno in this thread.

Silly old granberry/terap/sidney carton/Paddy Dolan. He'd actually be able to impart some wisdom if he would accept that people who don't hold the same opinion as him don't need to be insulted.

[APerno]

Why was he banned

See the post quoted by A Perno in this thread.

Silly old granberry/terap/sidney carton/Paddy Dolan. He'd actually be able to impart some wisdom if he would accept that people who don't hold the same opinion as him don't need to be insulted.

Yes, I seem to be part of the cause of his demise, but as you say he good dispense some good info and insights from time to time, you just had to learn to live in the cracks between the insults. --But then again he would just jump people who weren't even speaking to him; I never minded it because I was willing to break balls back, but if someone doesn't want to do that they shouldn't have to put up with him coming after them. He was an equal opportunity insult(er), no one safe.

[Controversial]

See the post quoted by A Perno in this thread.

Silly old granberry/terap/sidney carton/Paddy Dolan. He'd actually be able to impart some wisdom if he would accept that people who don't hold the same opinion as him don't need to be insulted.

Yes, I seem to be part of the cause of his demise, but as you say he good dispense some good info and insights from time to time, you just had to learn to live in the cracks between the insults. --But then again he would just jump people who weren't even speaking to him; I never minded it because I was willing to break balls back, but if someone doesn't want to do that they shouldn't have to put up with him coming after them. He was an equal opportunity insult(er), no one safe.

The comment he got banned for was aimed at yourself and I, personally I always laugh when people try and get personal and I never reply. Like most keyboard warriors they wouldn't dare say anything to your face, I feel sorry for them in a way that they feel the need to insult people. I'm glad they seem to be cracking down on this though, for too long people were getting away with this behaviour.

[Flump]

I'm surprised no one has really commented on this, normally any Marciano post gets loads of replies, even posts not about Marciano end up with him being bought into the conversation.

This is the first I've heard of this tbh. I knew he was stationed in the UK, had heard about pub brawls and that he had kneed his first amateur opponent in the crown jewels but not this.

If true then it does shed some new light on the image. These days that stuff would be known about but in conservative USA in the 40's an 50's everyone had to be whiter than white it seems. Literally.

[Controversial]

I'm surprised no one has really commented on this, normally any Marciano post gets loads of replies, even posts not about Marciano end up with him being bought into the conversation.

This is the first I've heard of this tbh. I knew he was stationed in the UK, had heard about pub brawls and that he had kneed his first amateur opponent in the crown jewels but not this.

If true then it does shed some new light on the image. These days that stuff would be known about but in conservative USA in the 40's an 50's everyone had to be whiter than white it seems. Literally.

Yes the first I had heard of it as well, that's why I posted it. It's interesting that the previous author didn't mention it but as the last biography was written with close participation from the Marciano family it's hardly surprising they failed to spill the beans, or if the author knew the family didn't want him to publish it to keep up the good guy image.