Sick of weight drainers

[Matt W]

After watching Munguia vs Cook this weekend I am getting sick and tired of watching huge fighters making a name for themselves by being effing huge at the weight.

I'm tired of watching technically poor performances (Hurd vs Lara) where the winner isn't the better fighter but is the vastly bigger man. It's really putting me off modern boxing.

And this weight draining culture results in having to see weigh-ins where fighters look like they should be in hospital, not entering a championship fight (Jamie McDonnell). We need to get back to weight categories being an equalising factor whereby the better fighter wins (provided he doesn't have the judges and promoters in his pocket of course, but that's another discussion... Canelo <cough>).

[TheLeprechaun]

On fight night canelo was 182 on Saturday. Golovkin 170

[jamamb]

On fight night canelo was 182 on Saturday. Golovkin 170

really? i cant find that anywhere, although i see 'rumors' of jacobs being 182 vs ggg and ggg being 170 for that fight

[danconnollyeire]

On fight night canelo was 182 on Saturday. Golovkin 170

really? i cant find that anywhere, although i see 'rumors' of jacobs being 182 vs ggg and ggg being 170 for that fight

Yep it's weird to think Canelo weigned in same as Rocky Marciano

[TheLeprechaun]

That's what Lampley said on HBO. It does make sense when you look at canelo gameplan.

[Matt W]

On fight night canelo was 182 on Saturday. Golovkin 170

really? i cant find that anywhere, although i see 'rumors' of jacobs being 182 vs ggg and ggg being 170 for that fight

Yep it's weird to think Canelo weigned in same as Rocky Marciano

[jamamb]

ya, it sounds crazy but important to realize just how many fighters of past years would be several divisions lower today with the rampant draining and day before weigh ins

so many hw champs of past years have been no bigger then like 6'1 190 on fight day, yet on fight night for there light heavy fight joe smith and sully barrera were 6'1 187 and 6'2 190 respectively

[jimcook]

it's a problem that could easily be addressed ....cant go into a fight more than 7lb over the weight. in allowing fighters to come into the ring at any weight , they just encourage it. it is getting ridiculous now

[daviddee]

This is my biggest problem with boxing why not have same day weigh ins that would resolve the issue.. If someone wants to try and cheat by being drained at the weight they would get found out in the ring.. Giving this 36 hours to recover and gain wait is just as bad cheating as taking PEDs.. Wpuod be a lot less miss matches if that was to happen

[Ricky]

On fight night canelo was 182 on Saturday. Golovkin 170

That is 100% incorrect.

[Ricky]

Spme guys are making a living off their ability to weight drain.

The only viable solution is stricter 30 day & 7 day weighins.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Agreed; they brought in 24 hour weigh in to prevent serious injury in the ring, but with modern nutrition and other enhancements we have the ludicrous situation of GGG the champ facing off against someone over light heavy limit.

[blanca]

Agree. It makes a mockery of weight classes. You can see who is gonna win from the off. Reckon theres allsorts of underhand and illegal ways of draining weight going undetected or even being ignored.

[Datsue]

ya, it sounds crazy but important to realize just how many fighters of past years would be several divisions lower today with the rampant draining and day before weigh ins

so many hw champs of past years have been no bigger then like 6'1 190 on fight day, yet on fight night for there light heavy fight joe smith and sully barrera were 6'1 187 and 6'2 190 respectively

Yup. Mythical matchups are impossible to do for fighters in the last ~10 years 'cos (for instance) Arthur Abraham could never have made 11st 6lbs with a same day weigh-in without killing himself from either dehydration induced brain damage or just keeling over. So who d'you match him up against? Matthew Saad Muhammad? Probably near enough the same size in the ring...

After watching Munguia vs Cook this weekend I am getting sick and tired of watching huge fighters making a name for themselves by being effing huge at the weight.

I'm tired of watching technically poor performances (Hurd vs Lara) where the winner isn't the better fighter but is the vastly bigger man. It's really putting me off modern boxing.

And this weight draining culture results in having to see weigh-ins where fighters look like they should be in hospital, not entering a championship fight (Jamie McDonnell). We need to get back to weight categories being an equalising factor whereby the better fighter wins (provided he doesn't have the judges and promoters in his pocket of course, but that's another discussion... Canelo <cough>).

100% agree. As I was ranting about on the main Munguia-Cook thread, I think the rules as they are are simply exploited by weight drainers & the diuretics/PEDs that allow such practices (i.e. diuretics & drips etc).

My (unpopular) solution is: fornicate 'em. Same day weigh in. Wanna try to get an unfair advantage by weighing in more than the other guy & you enter the ring dehydrated & get fvcked up? Tough.

The rules as they are remove the thing that used to make fights fair (i.e. everyone was more or less the same size). I don't see why fighters like Cook should have to get extra brain damage fighting bigger guys like Munguia (three weight divisions bigger on fight night) on the off chance that the bloke he's fighting might try to kill himself 'cos he's basically trying to cheat.

It's utter bollocks.

[gilgamesh]

Bring back same day weigh ins, and have the rule of they can't weigh more than 10 pounds over the limit the next day or whatever.

It is definitely ridiculous, and not good for your health overall. I'm not entirely sure it's a huge advantage like some people think, but it definitely makes a difference in some cases. I think it also shortens the careers of those that practice this method of gaining the advantage though.

[Datsue]

I'm not entirely sure it's a huge advantage like some people think, but it definitely makes a difference in some cases.

See, I know we're nearly on the same page mate, but I gotta take issue with this.

Weight divisions were the leveller in boxing: all else was equal 'cos you took size out of the equation, not in some theoretical Dungeons & Dragons made-up sense but by... being the same size.

Going up in weight—beating a bigger fella—used to be a big deal. But now it's not, 'cos no-one can fvcking tell what size a dude "really is" anyway.

I think—in my darker moments—a lot of the "stars" of the sport in the last decade & a half wouldn't have been nearly as star-tastic without this. Cotto would never have fought at light-welter (fvck, he could probably have barely made welter!). Hatton would never have fought there—& look at the difference between him rolling over someone at 140 compared to facing Collazo.

Mathysse would've been fighting middleweights. Porter wouldn't be pushing guys back & swarming all over them without blinking when they hit him. De La Hoya swatted guys cold at lightweight & super-feather. He wasn't doing that at light-middle & welter.

Compare that to someone like Arguello: arguably he hit harder at light-welter & lightweight than he did at feather. Today, that's just not the case, & I think we can all guess why.

Look at Broner's career: unstoppably powerful at super-feather & lightweight. At welter-ish, all of a sudden he's not such an untouchable killer, & when people hit him back it suddenly hurts.

Broner (just for instance) did not get any bigger between his lightweight days & welterweight days—it wasn't Duran getting fat & drinking all the beer in Panama. In the case of Broner, his kidneys etc just couldn't stand the shock any longer of stripping off all that weight then injecting it back in; I don't believe for a second any of these guys are eating & drinking 20lbs+ bodyweight overnight, that's fvcking impossible. They're on the Lasix or whatever modern equivalent which drains water molecules out of every cell in your body, then they go on a drip. They're not bloating, it's more like someone's inflated them with a fvcking air-line.

I love Crawford's skills, but he's a small middleweight, in reality, & always has been.

[gilgamesh]

Yeah I mean there's definitely a reason why guys do it. If I were a trainer I'd highly discourage my guys from doing this as I think it's a cheap way to get a win. Get the win because you're a BETTER FIGHTER. Not because you're doing some questionable BS to give yourself an advantage.

That's one reason I've always liked Golovkin. He's a Middleweight. A real Middleweight. Would've been a Middleweight in any era. You can tell by looking at him.

[Datsue]

Yeah I mean there's definitely a reason why guys do it. If I were a trainer I'd highly discourage my guys from doing this as I think it's a cheap way to get a win. Get the win because you're a BETTER FIGHTER. Not because you're doing some questionable BS to give yourself an advantage.

That's one reason I've always liked Golovkin. He's a Middleweight. A real Middleweight. Would've been a Middleweight in any era. You can tell by looking at him.

Totally agree mate. I always loved Martinez for the same reason.

[jamamb]

tbh today there are practically no 'natural' guys for a division, at least at the high levels where they arent on a uk journeymans activity schedule. even ggg on fight day is like low 170s

although of course some guys cut much mire then others

[moogie101]

Hate it and even worse in mma. Got to be having long term negative effects on the body.

There's a really good BBC doc about this in mma on the iplayer by the way.

[REEVE]

I cant rember exactly but am sure hugo cazares weighed in 7st 10lbs (the light fly limit) then came in well over 9st he was huge compared to the other guy more or less a light weight v a flyweight

[dookus]

I'm not entirely sure it's a huge advantage like some people think, but it definitely makes a difference in some cases.

See, I know we're nearly on the same page mate, but I gotta take issue with this.

Weight divisions were the leveller in boxing: all else was equal 'cos you took size out of the equation, not in some theoretical Dungeons & Dragons made-up sense but by... being the same size.

Going up in weight—beating a bigger fella—used to be a big deal. But now it's not, 'cos no-one can fvcking tell what size a dude "really is" anyway.

I think—in my darker moments—a lot of the "stars" of the sport in the last decade & a half wouldn't have been nearly as star-tastic without this. Cotto would never have fought at light-welter (fvck, he could probably have barely made welter!). Hatton would never have fought there—& look at the difference between him rolling over someone at 140 compared to facing Collazo.

Mathysse would've been fighting middleweights. Porter wouldn't be pushing guys back & swarming all over them without blinking when they hit him. De La Hoya swatted guys cold at lightweight & super-feather. He wasn't doing that at light-middle & welter.

Compare that to someone like Arguello: arguably he hit harder at light-welter & lightweight than he did at feather. Today, that's just not the case, & I think we can all guess why.

Look at Broner's career: unstoppably powerful at super-feather & lightweight. At welter-ish, all of a sudden he's not such an untouchable killer, & when people hit him back it suddenly hurts.

Broner (just for instance) did not get any bigger between his lightweight days & welterweight days—it wasn't Duran getting fat & drinking all the beer in Panama. In the case of Broner, his kidneys etc just couldn't stand the shock any longer of stripping off all that weight then injecting it back in; I don't believe for a second any of these guys are eating & drinking 20lbs+ bodyweight overnight, that's fvcking impossible. They're on the Lasix or whatever modern equivalent which drains water molecules out of every cell in your body, then they go on a drip. They're not bloating, it's more like someone's inflated them with a fvcking air-line.

I love Crawford's skills, but he's a small middleweight, in reality, & always has been.

Another superb one, Datsue

[Ricky]

Bring back same day weigh ins, and have the rule of they can't weigh more than 10 pounds over the limit the next day or whatever.

It is definitely ridiculous, and not good for your health overall. I'm not entirely sure it's a huge advantage like some people think, but it definitely makes a difference in some cases. I think it also shortens the careers of those that practice this method of gaining the advantage though.

There's no safe way of implementing same day weighins.

[gilgamesh]

Bring back same day weigh ins, and have the rule of they can't weigh more than 10 pounds over the limit the next day or whatever.

It is definitely ridiculous, and not good for your health overall. I'm not entirely sure it's a huge advantage like some people think, but it definitely makes a difference in some cases. I think it also shortens the careers of those that practice this method of gaining the advantage though.

There's no safe way of implementing same day weighins.

So do it an unsafe way then. Once guys realize they can't drain, and have an advantage anymore they'll go back to fighting at the weight class they belong along or keep getting their dumb asses kicked.

[ezhmael]

Munguia and Hurd looked like they were from a different weight division compared to their opponents. So as Nery, Sor Rungvisai, and Errol Spence.