Not a Robbery but 70% of All Post Fight Polls Say GGG Won....HUh?

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Not a Robbery but 70% of All Post Fight Polls Say GGG Won....HUh?

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I'm talking multiple online polls, Sports Show Polls and ringside polls all show that the majority of viewers thought that GGG won the fight. HBO's own Harold Lederman had the fight in favor of GGG 8-4. Dan Rafael had GGG winning the fight. Everyone without a stake to profit from Canelo's popularity had GGG winning the fight. I personally had the fight scored 8-4 after watching and scoring it 3 times just to be sure that I didn't make a mistake in judgement. I have yet to see a poll where Canelo had 40% or more of the votes.

So where is the outrage? Did the HBO Commentator's ridiculous bias during the fight make this robbery more palatable for fans that would normally be losing their minds over a call like this? I'm telling you and everyone that thinks that they know boxing...there is NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT YOU COULD SCORE THAT FIGHT FOR CANELO. I've tried it...twice. I cannot. My heart really goes out to GGG because everyone has left him....even his coach. Sanchez and his ridiculous comments were clearly made so that his fighter can move on and get out of this evil pairing in which the cards are so heavily stacked against.

Oscar and his damn letter. Anyone that thinks that this letter writing campaign wasn't in the works for weeks prior is an idiot. Oscar had this planned out thinking that fans would be dumb enough to believe any of it.


If a politician won 70% of the vote, it would be called a landslide victory. How is this NOT a robbery again? You fans are soft.
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caldo2025 wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 07:29 I'm talking multiple online polls, Sports Show Polls and ringside polls all show that the majority of viewers thought that GGG won the fight. HBO's own Harold Lederman had the fight in favor of GGG 8-4. Dan Rafael had GGG winning the fight. Everyone without a stake to profit from Canelo's popularity had GGG winning the fight. I personally had the fight scored 8-4 after watching and scoring it 3 times just to be sure that I didn't make a mistake in judgement. I have yet to see a poll where Canelo had 40% or more of the votes.

So where is the outrage? Did the HBO Commentator's ridiculous bias during the fight make this robbery more palatable for fans that would normally be losing their minds over a call like this? I'm telling you and everyone that thinks that they know boxing...there is NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT YOU COULD SCORE THAT FIGHT FOR CANELO. I've tried it...twice. I cannot. My heart really goes out to GGG because everyone has left him....even his coach. Sanchez and his ridiculous comments were clearly made so that his fighter can move on and get out of this evil pairing in which the cards are so heavily stacked against.
Dan had it 114-114..

I think GGG won, but the result has been set. Nothing is going to change it. Some will call it robbery, those that do will not be convinced otherwise. Fight has passed, Canelo won on the 3 cards that mattered that night (not that I agreed), but that's it.
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There's no way Golovkin won thus fight Caldo. Nada. I can live with the draw because if you give him enough of the close rounds you get 6-6, at a stretch.
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I watched the fight twice and both times had GGG. After the first watching I thought, that, ok, it was close, maybe 115-113 could have been good for Canelo too. But after the second watching I decided, that, yes, it was close indeed and Canelo had a lot of good moments, but Golovkin had just outworked him, scored more, period.
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DrDuke wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:22 I watched the fight twice and both times had GGG. After the first watching I thought, that, ok, it was close, maybe 115-113 could have been good for Canelo too. But after the second watching I decided, that, yes, it was close indeed and Canelo had a lot of good moments, but Golovkin had just outworked him, scored more, period.
Scored more only with jabs. Don't get me wrong i love to see the jab utilised and round 1 was a brilliant example, ggg gave him a lesson in jabbing. But for much of the mid rounds G's jab was simply buying him time and distance because Canelo was bossing it.

In a fight like this another piece of scoring criteria is crucial; ring generalship.
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RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:30
DrDuke wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:22 I watched the fight twice and both times had GGG. After the first watching I thought, that, ok, it was close, maybe 115-113 could have been good for Canelo too. But after the second watching I decided, that, yes, it was close indeed and Canelo had a lot of good moments, but Golovkin had just outworked him, scored more, period.
Scored more only with jabs. Don't get me wrong i love to see the jab utilised and round 1 was a brilliant example, ggg gave him a lesson in jabbing. But for much of the mid rounds G's jab was simply buying him time and distance because Canelo was bossing it.

In a fight like this another piece of scoring criteria is crucial; ring generalship.
Still he didn't scored only with jabs, but majorly with them. Some good power stuff had been landed as well.
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Too many people hates Canelo. If Mayweather will encounter a close fight 90% of people would vote against him. He would never make tons of money without haters :D
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Paulie Malignaggi said that if Canelo won the last round on his scorecards, which he said was perfectly feasible since it was close enough to have been awarded to either man, then the Mexican earned a draw, but if GGG wins the 12th then the Kazakh emerges victorious by a 7 to 5 margin.

Max Kellerman holds a slightly different opinion, as he felt that the judges should have awarded Golovkin the last round, as GGG deserved to earn the draw. Coincidentally, Dougie Fischer (The RING) and Dan Rafael (ESPN) shared the same opinion as the HBO pundit, since both journalists believed that the outcome of the fight should have been scored a draw and also had the same scores entering the final round. Even Abel Sanchez scored the bout as a draw.

The likes of Andre Ward, Errol Spence Jr., Jermall Charlo, Amir Khan, David Haye and Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) all gave the nod to Canelo.

The vast majority of the media scorecards, even though most of them seem to favour GGG, scored the bout as either a draw or issue their verdict with two-point margins, where the outcome is decided upon based on their scoring of a single round.

If a fight is that close, why do people insist on using the word “robbery” to describe GGG’s loss against Canelo, especially considering that there were many close rounds?

If people scored the bout 115-113 in favour of GGG, then they can’t have a problem with a draw, especially considering the fact that four rounds were very tough to score, and nor should they be boldly proclaiming “robbery” either.

Are people embellishing their thoughts for GGG, since he was their “hero” fighting against a stereotypical pantomime “villain”, Canelo, because I don’t understand why extreme words, such as “robbery”, is warranted to describe the outcome of the Golovkin-Alvarez rematch?

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with people stating their belief that the victory could have been awarded to Canelo or Golovkin, but to claim that a “robbery” has taken place due to “corrupt” judges being “paid off”, well that just seems unreasonable.
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Cent0089 wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:36 Too many people hates Canelo. If Mayweather will encounter a close fight 90% of people would vote against him. He would never make tons of money without haters :D
I actually like to watch Canelo more, than Golovkin, cause Canelo is more well-rounded and versatile boxer (GGG surprisingly showed some versatility too in the recent fight), but I just couldn't score the fight for Alvarez twice in a row.
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DrDuke wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:43
Cent0089 wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:36 Too many people hates Canelo. If Mayweather will encounter a close fight 90% of people would vote against him. He would never make tons of money without haters :D
I actually like to watch Canelo more, than Golovkin, cause Canelo is more well-rounded and versatile boxer (GGG surprisingly showed some versatility too in the recent fight), but I just couldn't score the fight for Alvarez twice in a row.
I'm the opposite. I hate canelo & I'm a self-confessed Golovkin fan boy. I know how to score fights though. Canelo outboxed him, period.
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RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:55 I know how to score fights
Highly questionable.
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RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:30
DrDuke wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:22 I watched the fight twice and both times had GGG. After the first watching I thought, that, ok, it was close, maybe 115-113 could have been good for Canelo too. But after the second watching I decided, that, yes, it was close indeed and Canelo had a lot of good moments, but Golovkin had just outworked him, scored more, period.
Scored more only with jabs. Don't get me wrong i love to see the jab utilised and round 1 was a brilliant example, ggg gave him a lesson in jabbing. But for much of the mid rounds G's jab was simply buying him time and distance because Canelo was bossing it.

In a fight like this another piece of scoring criteria is crucial; ring generalship.
GGG rocked him for 5 rounds 6-10 and his jab is more than a jab. 8-4 GGG, he gets jobbed again, and if the 1st was a draw why not just make this a draw so the go a 3rd time. Canelo is the cash cow and they protect him, that's why boxing is done.
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JoeCorrao wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 14:58
RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:30
DrDuke wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:22 I watched the fight twice and both times had GGG. After the first watching I thought, that, ok, it was close, maybe 115-113 could have been good for Canelo too. But after the second watching I decided, that, yes, it was close indeed and Canelo had a lot of good moments, but Golovkin had just outworked him, scored more, period.
Scored more only with jabs. Don't get me wrong i love to see the jab utilised and round 1 was a brilliant example, ggg gave him a lesson in jabbing. But for much of the mid rounds G's jab was simply buying him time and distance because Canelo was bossing it.

In a fight like this another piece of scoring criteria is crucial; ring generalship.
GGG rocked him for 5 rounds 6-10 and his jab is more than a jab. 8-4 GGG, he gets jobbed again, and if the 1st was a draw why not just make this a draw so the go a 3rd time. Canelo is the cash cow and they protect him, that's why boxing is done.
Canelo won rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10. Ggg was gassed from r5.
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RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:01
JoeCorrao wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 14:58
RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:30

Scored more only with jabs. Don't get me wrong i love to see the jab utilised and round 1 was a brilliant example, ggg gave him a lesson in jabbing. But for much of the mid rounds G's jab was simply buying him time and distance because Canelo was bossing it.

In a fight like this another piece of scoring criteria is crucial; ring generalship.
GGG rocked him for 5 rounds 6-10 and his jab is more than a jab. 8-4 GGG, he gets jobbed again, and if the 1st was a draw why not just make this a draw so the go a 3rd time. Canelo is the cash cow and they protect him, that's why boxing is done.
Canelo won rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10. Ggg was gassed from r5.
Everybody's take of the fight is different. I had Canelo winning the first 3 rounds, and I had him winning Round 7. I had GGG winning 4 thru 6 and 8 thru 10
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RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:01
JoeCorrao wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 14:58
RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:30

Scored more only with jabs. Don't get me wrong i love to see the jab utilised and round 1 was a brilliant example, ggg gave him a lesson in jabbing. But for much of the mid rounds G's jab was simply buying him time and distance because Canelo was bossing it.

In a fight like this another piece of scoring criteria is crucial; ring generalship.
GGG rocked him for 5 rounds 6-10 and his jab is more than a jab. 8-4 GGG, he gets jobbed again, and if the 1st was a draw why not just make this a draw so the go a 3rd time. Canelo is the cash cow and they protect him, that's why boxing is done.
Canelo won rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10. Ggg was gassed from r5.
96% of experts disagree.
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gilgamesh wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:04
RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:01
JoeCorrao wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 14:58
GGG rocked him for 5 rounds 6-10 and his jab is more than a jab. 8-4 GGG, he gets jobbed again, and if the 1st was a draw why not just make this a draw so the go a 3rd time. Canelo is the cash cow and they protect him, that's why boxing is done.
Canelo won rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10. Ggg was gassed from r5.
Everybody's take of the fight is different. I had Canelo winning the first 3 rounds, and I had him winning Round 7. I had GGG winning 4 thru 6 and 8 thru 10
Sounds like you almost had opposite of me. R1 & 12 i thought were clear for GGG. Also gave him 3, 4 & 11.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:06
RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:01
JoeCorrao wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 14:58
GGG rocked him for 5 rounds 6-10 and his jab is more than a jab. 8-4 GGG, he gets jobbed again, and if the 1st was a draw why not just make this a draw so the go a 3rd time. Canelo is the cash cow and they protect him, that's why boxing is done.
Canelo won rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10. Ggg was gassed from r5.
96% of experts disagree.
Yawn.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:06
RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:01
JoeCorrao wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 14:58
GGG rocked him for 5 rounds 6-10 and his jab is more than a jab. 8-4 GGG, he gets jobbed again, and if the 1st was a draw why not just make this a draw so the go a 3rd time. Canelo is the cash cow and they protect him, that's why boxing is done.
Canelo won rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10. Ggg was gassed from r5.
96% of experts disagree.
Where are you getting 96% from?
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gilgamesh wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:07
boxing_rocks wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:06
RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:01

Canelo won rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10. Ggg was gassed from r5.
96% of experts disagree.
Where are you getting 96% from?
Out of 50+ media members, only two gave a win to Canelo.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:10
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:07
boxing_rocks wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:06
96% of experts disagree.
Where are you getting 96% from?
Out of 50+ media members, only two gave a win to Canelo.
That still didn't mean that all had it for Golovkin. Several of them were a draw.
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So what is the name of the song that Canelo entered the ring too? I find it hard to figure that out without speaking Spanish. I don't normally care much for Mariachi music, but it's a pretty good song.
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gilgamesh wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:13
boxing_rocks wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:10
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 15:07

Where are you getting 96% from?
Out of 50+ media members, only two gave a win to Canelo.
That still didn't mean that all had it for Golovkin. Several of them were a draw.
Yes, but 96% had Golovkin keeping his belts.
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RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:55
DrDuke wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:43
Cent0089 wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:36 Too many people hates Canelo. If Mayweather will encounter a close fight 90% of people would vote against him. He would never make tons of money without haters :D
I actually like to watch Canelo more, than Golovkin, cause Canelo is more well-rounded and versatile boxer (GGG surprisingly showed some versatility too in the recent fight), but I just couldn't score the fight for Alvarez twice in a row.
I'm the opposite. I hate canelo & I'm a self-confessed Golovkin fan boy. I know how to score fights though. Canelo outboxed him, period.
Can you repost your scorecard from Mayweather -Pacquaio where you had Manny winning please? :yay:
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Boxerbeetle wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 16:25
RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:55
DrDuke wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:43

I actually like to watch Canelo more, than Golovkin, cause Canelo is more well-rounded and versatile boxer (GGG surprisingly showed some versatility too in the recent fight), but I just couldn't score the fight for Alvarez twice in a row.
I'm the opposite. I hate canelo & I'm a self-confessed Golovkin fan boy. I know how to score fights though. Canelo outboxed him, period.
Can you repost your scorecard from Mayweather -Pacquaio where you had Manny winning please? :yay:
Lol at Floyd winning. It was a fight not the Tour De France.
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RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 16:30
Boxerbeetle wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 16:25
RKY wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:55

I'm the opposite. I hate canelo & I'm a self-confessed Golovkin fan boy. I know how to score fights though. Canelo outboxed him, period.
Can you repost your scorecard from Mayweather -Pacquaio where you had Manny winning please? :yay:
Lol at Floyd winning. It was a fight not the Tour De France.
Well that settles it. You don't know how to score fights.
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