Joshua's Power ... Rank it 1 to 10

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Taking into account Anthony Joshua's last three fights ... where does he stand in terms of power ?
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I guess, it can't be less, than 9. He really is a helluva puncher. However, Parker bout can't be counted to measure his power, cause there he didn't land any good clean power shots.
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Joshua's team are smart at keeping him punch free for the most part.
Robert McCracken is smart and understands styles ect, I remember him when he fought as a professional and his fans would bring the Birmingham City flag to the events.
I know him well as a fan.

At this point I'd give Anthony Joshua an 8.5, he can hit.
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9. Excellent power. People tended to underestimate his power after Takam and Parker fights, despite the fact that AJ never landed his best punches on their chins.

And don't forget that even huge punchers like Lennox Lewis failed to KO (or even hurt) some opponents. And I'm not talking about Holyfield, Mercer and Tua, I'm talking about the guys like glass-jawed journeyman Levi Billulps, shot cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio (whom Larry Holmes KOed with a jab) or super skinny Zeljko Mavrovic, whom Lennox outweighed by 30 lbs.
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Boxing Writer wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 03:40 9. Excellent power. People tended to underestimate his power after Takam and Parker fights, despite the fact that AJ never landed his best punches on their chins.

And don't forget that even huge punchers like Lennox Lewis failed to KO (or even hurt) some opponents. And I'm not talking about Holyfield, Mercer and Tua, I'm talking about the guys like glass-jawed journeyman Levi Billulps, shot cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio (whom Larry Holmes KOed with a jab) or super skinny Zeljko Mavrovic, whom Lennox outweighed by 30 lbs.
Those are terrible examples.
You're a number cruncher and have no sense of boxing style.
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Evander wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 03:47
Boxing Writer wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 03:40 9. Excellent power. People tended to underestimate his power after Takam and Parker fights, despite the fact that AJ never landed his best punches on their chins.

And don't forget that even huge punchers like Lennox Lewis failed to KO (or even hurt) some opponents. And I'm not talking about Holyfield, Mercer and Tua, I'm talking about the guys like glass-jawed journeyman Levi Billups, shot cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio (whom Larry Holmes KOed with a jab) or super skinny Zeljko Mavrovic, whom Lennox outweighed by 30 lbs.
Those are terrible examples.
Why? Explain please.

Prime Ocasio was KO'ed by Larry Holmes' jab, and Larry was never considered a big puncher. Prime Ocasio was TKO'ed by Holyfield in the CW division and demolished by Michael Dokes in 1. Hell, even John Luis Gardren KTFOed him. Dokes was 17-0-1 against prime Ocasio, Holyfield was 15-0 against prime Ocasio, Lewis was 11-0 against past prime Ocasio. 4 fighters with completely different styles knocked PRIME Ossie Ocasio out, while Lewis failed to even hurt past prime Ocasio.

As for Billups: It was Lewis' 19th fight. AJ fought Wladimir Klitschko in his 19th fight and stopped him. And don't forget AJ went just 1 Olympic cycle, while Lewis went 2, so he had much more amateur experience. At the time when he fought Billups, Lewis already had the wins over Mason, Weaver, Biggs and Ocasio. And Billups already was knocked out 4 times before facing Lewis (including 44-seconds KTFO from light-hitting cruiserweight Orlin Norris and KO from 9-4 guy Lionel Washington). One year after Lewis went the diistance against Billups, Corrie Sanders knocked him out cold in the first round, two years later Jeremy Williams knocked him out in the second. Again, Billuos was knocked out by many fighters with completely different styles. There was nothing in his style that could have made him untouchable for Lewis. Lennox landed a lot of good punches in that fight but couldn't hurt Billups.

So please tell me why they are bad examples.
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Evander - you just got owned my friend.

Calling Graham Houston ‘just a number cruncher’ 😀
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They were stepping stone fights.
Neither of them were considered to beat Lewis.
So you don't knock everybody out all of the time :maybe:
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Post by Thomastearns »

Joshua's power is not in question. It's the ability to land that counts - as ever - but that's boxing. Joshua seems to generate frightening power once his opponents back off slightly and give him room. Similar for Wilder but he's way more unorthodox.

Once AJ started landing, the fight came to a quick, sudden end. And this was Povetkin.
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I counted 7 power shots before Povitkin went down.
So 6/10
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I give him 9. I am impressed that he stopped Povetkin. I rated Povetkin's chin very highly.
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If we are speaking about humans (and boxers are humans, too) not about Hellenic semi-gods, then I have not any dilemma, AJ's power is 10/10.
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KiwiRider wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 05:35 I counted 7 power shots before Povitkin went down.
So 6/10
Yes, and Conan Varvarian had 7/10. :doh:
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its very good

i think people really overestimate just how many fighters regularly one shot knocked opponents at a high level. even among the best punchers a lot of them needed multiple shots and accumulation to end things. and lots of massive hitters had occasional points wins

look even at wilder, who is rightfully regarded as having monster power. he hit duhapuas with loaded up powershots all night yet couldnt drop him, he hit stiverne with lots first fight but never stopped him, molina kept getting back up and taking shots , etc. look at big george foreman, who is considered an atg puncher even though he usually clubbed guys into defeats with several shots

a guy like julian jackson, who totally switched off good fighters with single shots, is very rare.
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jamamb wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:11 its very good

i think people really overestimate just how many fighters regularly one shot knocked opponents at a high level. even among the best punchers a lot of them needed multiple shots and accumulation to end things. and lots of massive hitters had occasional points wins

look even at wilder, who is rightfully regarded as having monster power. he hit duhapuas with loaded up powershots all night yet couldnt drop him, he hit stiverne with lots first fight but never stopped him, molina kept getting back up and taking shots , etc. look at big george foreman, who is considered an atg puncher even though he usually clubbed guys into defeats with several shots

a guy like julian jackson, who totally switched off good fighters with single shots, is very rare.
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Unless someone can LITERALLY, and I mean LITERALLY can KO ANY and EVERY opponent if they land flush power shots on them, irrespective of how durable they are, then they can never have 10/10 punching power or even 9/10 power.

Joshua has landed flush punches on many opponents without them getting knocked out. Thus, he can never have 10/10 power.

I mean, someone with 10/10 power should have no excuses about their opponent's chin being too durable, as to the reason for failing to KO them, if they fail to KO them, assuming they also managed to land full powered flush punches on them. Since 10/10 power implies no chin / durability should be able to withstand that level of power.

Even if one person is durable enough to take a boxer's flush power punches, then that boxer can NEVER EVER be considered a 10/10 power puncher.

Since 10/10 power is > ANY CHIN OR ANY AMOUNT OF DURABILITY.
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Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:38 Unless someone can LITERALLY, and I mean LITERALLY can KO ANY and EVERY opponent if they land flush power shots on them, irrespective of how durable they are, then they can never have 10/10 punching power or even 9/10 power.

Joshua has landed flush punches on many opponents without them getting knocked out. Thus, he can never have 10/10 power.

I mean, someone with 10/10 power should have no excuses about their opponent's chin being too durable, as to the reason for failing to KO them, if they fail to KO them, assuming they also managed to land full powered flush punches on them. Since 10/10 power implies no chin / durability should be able to withstand that level of power.

Even if one person is durable enough to take a boxer's flush power punches, then that boxer can NEVER EVER be considered a 10/10 power puncher.

Since 10/10 power is > ANY CHIN OR ANY AMOUNT OF DURABILITY.
Very strange criterion.
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ValMar wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:42
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:38 Unless someone can LITERALLY, and I mean LITERALLY can KO ANY and EVERY opponent if they land flush power shots on them, irrespective of how durable they are, then they can never have 10/10 punching power or even 9/10 power.

Joshua has landed flush punches on many opponents without them getting knocked out. Thus, he can never have 10/10 power.

I mean, someone with 10/10 power should have no excuses about their opponent's chin being too durable, as to the reason for failing to KO them, if they fail to KO them, assuming they also managed to land full powered flush punches on them. Since 10/10 power implies no chin / durability should be able to withstand that level of power.

Even if one person is durable enough to take a boxer's flush power punches, then that boxer can NEVER EVER be considered a 10/10 power puncher.

Since 10/10 power is > ANY CHIN OR ANY AMOUNT OF DURABILITY.
Very strange criterion.
10/10 power is an EXTREMELY EXTRAORDINARY standard. Thus, I have to judge someone who is considered to be a 10/10 power puncher, by an EXTRAORDINARY criteria too.

10/10 power punches never existed, and probably never would exist. Wilder is disqualified from having 10/10 power, solely due to failing to even drop Duhaupas with 11 rounds of flush, maximum powered punched nearing 1000 punches in total (career high number).

Joshua is disqualified from having 10/10 power for failing to KO Joseph Parker.

Wladimir Klitschko is disqualified from having 10/10 power for failing to drop / KO Ross Purity (and some others).

Julian Jackson is disqualified from having 10/10 power for failing to even hurt, never mind KO / drop Gerald Mclellan. That's a fight where Jackson looked somewhat feather fisted and light hitting.
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ValMar wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:06 If we are speaking about humans (and boxers are humans, too) not about Hellenic semi-gods, then I have not any dilemma, AJ's power is 10/10.
Should I repeat this ?
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Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:38 Unless someone can LITERALLY, and I mean LITERALLY can KO ANY and EVERY opponent if they land flush power shots on them, irrespective of how durable they are, then they can never have 10/10 punching power or even 9/10 power.

Joshua has landed flush punches on many opponents without them getting knocked out. Thus, he can never have 10/10 power.

I mean, someone with 10/10 power should have no excuses about their opponent's chin being too durable, as to the reason for failing to KO them, if they fail to KO them, assuming they also managed to land full powered flush punches on them. Since 10/10 power implies no chin / durability should be able to withstand that level of power.

Even if one person is durable enough to take a boxer's flush power punches, then that boxer can NEVER EVER be considered a 10/10 power puncher.

Since 10/10 power is > ANY CHIN OR ANY AMOUNT OF DURABILITY.
Do yourself a favour and read jamamb post above .
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Riddick Blowe wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:46
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:38 Unless someone can LITERALLY, and I mean LITERALLY can KO ANY and EVERY opponent if they land flush power shots on them, irrespective of how durable they are, then they can never have 10/10 punching power or even 9/10 power.

Joshua has landed flush punches on many opponents without them getting knocked out. Thus, he can never have 10/10 power.

I mean, someone with 10/10 power should have no excuses about their opponent's chin being too durable, as to the reason for failing to KO them, if they fail to KO them, assuming they also managed to land full powered flush punches on them. Since 10/10 power implies no chin / durability should be able to withstand that level of power.

Even if one person is durable enough to take a boxer's flush power punches, then that boxer can NEVER EVER be considered a 10/10 power puncher.

Since 10/10 power is > ANY CHIN OR ANY AMOUNT OF DURABILITY.
Do yourself a favour and read jamamb post above .
I have! But I don't know what your point is.
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I think in a nutshell, it's being suggested that unless you knock someone out cold with every punch you throw, you're powder fisted. Simple.
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i would say 6 to 7 . the russian boy was moving all night at 40 years old , i think that is why russian went a little gun hoe dont think he could of kept up that work rate , joshua to me seems like his speed kills
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No less than 8. Possibly 9, and the scary thing is Wilder possibly hits harder :o

Joshua is the more refined boxer of the two, but Wilder I think may be the harder pure puncher, but in Wilder's case his power almost single handedly is what wins him his fights, because he doesn't have a whole lot else going for him.
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give voice to the wilder
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