What's next for Povetkin?

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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:25
ValMar wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:23
sharpei_louis wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:06 I'd like to see him take on Usyk assuming he beats Bellew.
Matchup suits both fighters - small hw for Usyk to show us how he boxes against a natural - top tier hw and whether he is credible challenger to AJ, whereas Usyk isn't looking like being a puncher at hw so Povetkin would carry some advantages into the fight.
Both at transitional times regarding hw so a great fight.

Also the Russia/Ukraine angle should help shift tickets if it needed an angle!
Usyk would win by wide decision (119-109 or 118-110).
Im not so sure after Povetkin's performance vs AJ. remember that even Briedis gave Usyk some troubles.
“Even Briedis?” The Latvian is no joke.
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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:56
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:53
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:51
The thing is that a devastating ko loss vs Usyk seems unlikely. Sure Usyk possibly outpoints current Povetkin but i think it's unlikely that Pov gets only 1 or 2 rounds. There is still a question about Usyk chin - i dont suspect he's chinny but who knows how he reacts if someone like Povetkin caughts him. I give 55% chances to Usyk outpoint him, 35% Povetkin by KO, 10% Povetkin PTS.
Gassiev arguably punches much harder than Povetkin and Usyk had no problems taking Gassiev's punches on his chin.
You really believe that Gassievs punches harder than Povetkin? And other thing is that Povetkin gets inside much much better, throws combinations from many different angles. Povetkin punches harder and has better abilities to caught someone with a deadly punch. I cant even imagine Gassiev getting inside vs AJ.
I think that Povetkin's (220 lbs) punching power is a little bit better than Gassiev's (200 lbs), but Gassiev (220 lbs) would be more powerful than Povetkin, surely.
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I can easily imagine Povetkin knocking out Shimmell with ease. I can't imagine Gassiev knocking out Takam or Perez especially not as brutally as Povetkin did.
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ironbeard wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:00
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:25
ValMar wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:23

Usyk would win by wide decision (119-109 or 118-110).
Im not so sure after Povetkin's performance vs AJ. remember that even Briedis gave Usyk some troubles.
“Even Briedis?” The Latvian is no joke.
I dont think he's a joke. But cmon, do you think he was more of a threat to Usyk than Povetkin is? Povetkin is more skilled, more powerful, just a better bigger stronger boxer. Povetkin is still significantly better than anyone on Usyk's resume
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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:01 I can easily imagine Povetkin knocking out Shimmell with ease. I can't imagine Gassiev knocking out Takam or Perez especially not as brutally as Povetkin did.
Povetkin couldn't even KO Hammmer, the same guy Mariusz Wach and Tyson Fury stopped. WHo aren't even close to the most powerful punchers.

What do you think Gassiev would do to that clown Hammer?

Povetkin, and I REPEAT, Povetkin never KO'ed somebody as brutally as Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell. And kept them unconscious for that long. It never happened! Because he doesn't hit as hard as Gassiev!
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Re: What's next for Povetkin?

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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:03
ironbeard wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:00
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:25
Im not so sure after Povetkin's performance vs AJ. remember that even Briedis gave Usyk some troubles.
“Even Briedis?” The Latvian is no joke.
I dont think he's a joke. But cmon, do you think he was more of a threat to Usyk than Povetkin is. Povetkin is more skilled, more powerful, just a better bigger stronger boxer. Povetkin is still significantly better than anyone on Usyk's resume
Povetkin arguably lost to Huck mate. Usyk and Breidis did a far better job on that Huck. Povetkin would get embarrassed by Brieidis or Usyk. Usyk would shut him out 12-0 in a mismatch type no contest.
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Re: What's next for Povetkin?

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Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:03
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:01 I can easily imagine Povetkin knocking out Shimmell with ease. I can't imagine Gassiev knocking out Takam or Perez especially not as brutally as Povetkin did.
Povetkin couldn't even KO Hammmer, the same guy Mariusz Wach and Tyson Fury stopped. WHo aren't even close to the most powerful punchers.

What do you think Gassiev would do to that clown Hammer?

Povetkin, and I REPEAT, Povetkin never KO'ed somebody as brutally as Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell. And kept them unconscious for that long. It never happened! Because he doesn't hit as hard as Gassiev!
Following this logic, Chisora is a better puncher than AJ and Cunningham is a better puncher than Klitschko.
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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:05
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:03
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:01 I can easily imagine Povetkin knocking out Shimmell with ease. I can't imagine Gassiev knocking out Takam or Perez especially not as brutally as Povetkin did.
Povetkin couldn't even KO Hammmer, the same guy Mariusz Wach and Tyson Fury stopped. WHo aren't even close to the most powerful punchers.

What do you think Gassiev would do to that clown Hammer?

Povetkin, and I REPEAT, Povetkin never KO'ed somebody as brutally as Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell. And kept them unconscious for that long. It never happened! Because he doesn't hit as hard as Gassiev!
Following this logic, Chisora is a better puncher than AJ and Cunningham is a better puncher than Klitschko.
Chisora didn't put Takam to sleep, like Gassiev put Shimell to sleep, did he?

And who did Cunningham put to sleep that Klitshcko couldn't?
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Blodhemn wrote: 22 Sep 2018, 23:41 Povetkin made Joshua look like a bum. Plenty of money to be made if he wants it.
A bum, really? The fight would have been even through 7 IF the Russian had survived. Where in that scenario do you find the evidence that the loser by TKO7 made the winner look like a bum?
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Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:04
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:03
ironbeard wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:00
“Even Briedis?” The Latvian is no joke.
I dont think he's a joke. But cmon, do you think he was more of a threat to Usyk than Povetkin is. Povetkin is more skilled, more powerful, just a better bigger stronger boxer. Povetkin is still significantly better than anyone on Usyk's resume
Povetkin arguably lost to Huck mate. Usyk and Breidis did a far better job on that Huck. Povetkin would get embarrassed by Brieidis or Usyk. Usyk would shut him out 12-0 in a mismatch type no contest.
It was worst version of Povetkin and he underestimated prime Huck. Briedis fought past prime Huck.
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Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:06
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:05
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:03

Povetkin couldn't even KO Hammmer, the same guy Mariusz Wach and Tyson Fury stopped. WHo aren't even close to the most powerful punchers.

What do you think Gassiev would do to that clown Hammer?

Povetkin, and I REPEAT, Povetkin never KO'ed somebody as brutally as Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell. And kept them unconscious for that long. It never happened! Because he doesn't hit as hard as Gassiev!
Following this logic, Chisora is a better puncher than AJ and Cunningham is a better puncher than Klitschko.
Chisora didn't put Takam to sleep, like Gassiev put Shimell to sleep, did he?

And who did Cunningham put to sleep that Klitshcko couldn't?
You have some problems if you compare Takam (B+ HW) with Shimell (nobody, nowhere).
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Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:06
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:05
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:03

Povetkin couldn't even KO Hammmer, the same guy Mariusz Wach and Tyson Fury stopped. WHo aren't even close to the most powerful punchers.

What do you think Gassiev would do to that clown Hammer?

Povetkin, and I REPEAT, Povetkin never KO'ed somebody as brutally as Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell. And kept them unconscious for that long. It never happened! Because he doesn't hit as hard as Gassiev!
Following this logic, Chisora is a better puncher than AJ and Cunningham is a better puncher than Klitschko.
Chisora didn't put Takam to sleep, like Gassiev put Shimell to sleep, did he?

And who did Cunningham put to sleep that Klitshcko couldn't?
Del Boy knocked out Takam, AJ didnt. Cunn knocked down Fury, Wlad didnt.
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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:01 I can easily imagine Povetkin knocking out Shimmell with ease. I can't imagine Gassiev knocking out Takam or Perez especially not as brutally as Povetkin did.
Juice is against the rules for a reason.
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ValMar wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:10
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:06
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:05

Following this logic, Chisora is a better puncher than AJ and Cunningham is a better puncher than Klitschko.
Chisora didn't put Takam to sleep, like Gassiev put Shimell to sleep, did he?

And who did Cunningham put to sleep that Klitshcko couldn't?
You have some problems if you compare Takam (B+ HW) with Shimell (nobody, nowhere).
Takam is also a nobody! The only reason why he became a somebody was because Povetkin beat him. When you're getting embarrassed and blasted out of the ring by light hitting Dereck Chisora in ABSOLUTE SPECTACULAR FASHION, then you can't be anything other a nobody.
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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:11
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:06
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:05

Following this logic, Chisora is a better puncher than AJ and Cunningham is a better puncher than Klitschko.
Chisora didn't put Takam to sleep, like Gassiev put Shimell to sleep, did he?

And who did Cunningham put to sleep that Klitshcko couldn't?
Del Boy knocked out Takam, AJ didnt. Cunn knocked down Fury, Wlad didnt.
I'm talking about concussive knockouts! They weren't concussive KO's!
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Re: What's next for Povetkin?

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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:09
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:04
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:03
I dont think he's a joke. But cmon, do you think he was more of a threat to Usyk than Povetkin is. Povetkin is more skilled, more powerful, just a better bigger stronger boxer. Povetkin is still significantly better than anyone on Usyk's resume
Povetkin arguably lost to Huck mate. Usyk and Breidis did a far better job on that Huck. Povetkin would get embarrassed by Brieidis or Usyk. Usyk would shut him out 12-0 in a mismatch type no contest.
It was worst version of Povetkin and he underestimated prime Huck. Briedis fought past prime Huck.
Any version of Povetkin would struggle against Huck.
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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:09
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:04
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:03
I dont think he's a joke. But cmon, do you think he was more of a threat to Usyk than Povetkin is. Povetkin is more skilled, more powerful, just a better bigger stronger boxer. Povetkin is still significantly better than anyone on Usyk's resume
Povetkin arguably lost to Huck mate. Usyk and Breidis did a far better job on that Huck. Povetkin would get embarrassed by Brieidis or Usyk. Usyk would shut him out 12-0 in a mismatch type no contest.
It was worst version of Povetkin and he underestimated prime Huck. Briedis fought past prime Huck.
. . . and utterly dominated him.

Usyk would be fighting post prime / juice Povetkin.
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Re: What's next for Povetkin?

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ironbeard wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:16
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:09
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:04

Povetkin arguably lost to Huck mate. Usyk and Breidis did a far better job on that Huck. Povetkin would get embarrassed by Brieidis or Usyk. Usyk would shut him out 12-0 in a mismatch type no contest.
It was worst version of Povetkin and he underestimated prime Huck. Briedis fought past prime Huck.
. . . and utterly dominated him.

Usyk would be fighting post prime / juice Povetkin.
How do you see potential Povetkin vs Briedis matchup?
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Re: What's next for Povetkin?

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Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:14
ValMar wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:10
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:06

Chisora didn't put Takam to sleep, like Gassiev put Shimell to sleep, did he?

And who did Cunningham put to sleep that Klitshcko couldn't?
You have some problems if you compare Takam (B+ HW) with Shimell (nobody, nowhere).
Takam is also a nobody! The only reason why he became a somebody was because Povetkin beat him. When you're getting embarrassed and blasted out of the ring by light hitting Dereck Chisora in ABSOLUTE SPECTACULAR FASHION, then you can't be anything other a nobody.
Takam has been among the top 20 HWs for a years, a solid, tough fighter.
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astradamus wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:17
ironbeard wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 08:48
astradamus wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 06:37 I think the most interesting fight for me with him involved would be against Ortiz.
Funny thing is, that despite there is no price on the table, I wouldn't be surprised if Ortiz actually makes more money against him compared to Ortiz his fight with Wilder.

Povetkin should easely win that fight, by KO in round 1 or 2.
I agree that it is the most interesting fight. However, Povetkin would not win easily.

Maybe let both juicers do their thing and see which 🦖 prevails.
Povetkin would win easely, but many people also didn't believe he had a chance against AJ, I genuinly hope Povetkin will proof it.
Povetkin lost by brutal TKO7. Nice effort but let’s not make that performance something it was not. He was ahead on most fans cards by 4-2. It would have been even IF he had made it out of 7. It was a game but futile effort.
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Re: What's next for Povetkin?

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Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:15
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:09
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:04

Povetkin arguably lost to Huck mate. Usyk and Breidis did a far better job on that Huck. Povetkin would get embarrassed by Brieidis or Usyk. Usyk would shut him out 12-0 in a mismatch type no contest.
It was worst version of Povetkin and he underestimated prime Huck. Briedis fought past prime Huck.
Any version of Povetkin would struggle against Huck.
I doubt that.
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Re: What's next for Povetkin?

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ironbeard wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:16
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:09
Luis Fernando12 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:04

Povetkin arguably lost to Huck mate. Usyk and Breidis did a far better job on that Huck. Povetkin would get embarrassed by Brieidis or Usyk. Usyk would shut him out 12-0 in a mismatch type no contest.
It was worst version of Povetkin and he underestimated prime Huck. Briedis fought past prime Huck.
. . . and utterly dominated him.

Usyk would be fighting post prime / juice Povetkin.
But then, he struggled vs Perez
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Re: What's next for Povetkin?

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dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:36
ironbeard wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:16
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:09
It was worst version of Povetkin and he underestimated prime Huck. Briedis fought past prime Huck.
. . . and utterly dominated him.

Usyk would be fighting post prime / juice Povetkin.
But then, he struggled vs Perez
Rip Van Winkle would be led to believe that Povetkin lost a close fight yesterday, if he woke up and read this drivel.

Povetkin got destroyed brutally. Nothing in that performance suggests that he can defeat anyone at the top level. Gallant effort, yes. Nothing more.
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Re: What's next for Povetkin?

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ironbeard wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:44
dagilechia wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:36
ironbeard wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 09:16
. . . and utterly dominated him.

Usyk would be fighting post prime / juice Povetkin.
But then, he struggled vs Perez
Rip Van Winkle would be led to believe that Povetkin lost a close fight yesterday, if he woke up and read this drivel.

Povetkin got destroyed brutally. Nothing in that performance suggests that he can defeat anyone at the top level. Gallant effort, yes. Nothing more.
But You think that Briedis beats Povetkin, don't You?
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caldo2025 wrote: 23 Sep 2018, 00:44
jamamb wrote: 22 Sep 2018, 19:24
caldo2025 wrote: 22 Sep 2018, 19:12 I think I speak for all non Russians when I say WHO CARES???????????????

Finally can we auto delete any and all Povetkin posts from here on out? It’s like Christmas. Thanks AJ!!!!
The “Sasha was robbed” b/s will come in 6 months or so....same as “Klichko robbed Sasha” b/s, at a time....

you care far more about him then most ppl here do :lol:
Thanks for taking time away from your Povetkin Retirement Party that your hosting tonight to reach out to me. Get back now and make sure there’s no empty chip bowls and there’s still something in the punch bowl bro. My condolences to you and the Povetkin Punks. I’m honestly surprised that I haven’t seen a “Povetkin Was Robbed” post. Lmaooooo. Life is good. Hahaha
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