What's next for Povetkin?

[tiny_acres]

Yeah but what has done apart from that?

too funny

[candyslim]

Sorry I'll try to do better

[Ilya Muromets]

Yeah but what has done apart from that?

Ha ha!

"You remind of the scientist in the joke where having cut all the legs off the spider he finds it no longer runs when he sounds a klaxon right next to it. He concludes that the spider's ears are situated in its legs."


But spiders don't have ears. They have eyes though...

[candyslim]

Nice one Ilya. I sure hope there are no arachnophobes on here.

Actually I've just heard there was one but he coincidentally passed away only this morning ... something about a cardiac arrest. These cardiacs should leave that sort of thing to the police I say, they just don't have the training.

[Ilya Muromets]

Nice one Ilya. I sure hope there are no arachnophobes on here.

...

I sure hope there's none of them characters around here. There might be some people who are afraid of spiders, though.

[candyslim]

Yeah, them too

[Luis Fernando12]

So where EXACTLY is the proof of Povetkin being this 'fine' boxer?

Povetkin beat David Price, Christian Hammer, Andriy Rudenko, Johann Duhaupas, Mariusz Wach, Mike Perez, Carlos Takam, Manuel Charr, Andrzej Wawrzyk, Marco Huck, Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, and Chris Byrd. He was a world titlist, Olympic gold medalist, and world amateur championship gold medalist. He went 125-7 as an amateur and avenged every loss. He only has 2 pro defeats, both against the reigning #1 heavyweight of the time.

If we go by his most recent feats, then he hasn't proven to be much, if at all better than Dereck Chisora. But unlike Chisora, he avoided the elites of the heavyweight division like Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and etc. Instead, he chose to pad up his record with inferior names like Carlos Takam, Mariusz Wach, Mike Perez and etc. All who are inferior to the elite heavyweights I've mentioned that Dereck Chisora fought against and lost to.

What Povetkin achieved in the Olympics in a TOTALLY different heavyweight landscape, prior to / without ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS emerging or existing like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!

Povetkin won a world title? OKAY! But who did he beat? Today, nearly anybody can be a paper titlist, which means nothing. Even Charles Martin was a titlist for goodness sake. So what? I still don't believe for a second he is any better than Dereck Chisora.

[Luis Fernando12]

Dear God you can say that again, I'm not going to attempt to answer that point by point, not only do I have a life (well I like it) but I've learnt from bitter experience that arguing with you (Luis) is an exercise in futility.

All I will say is that I object to your lack of respect to all those fighters on your sh1t-list, not just those who are favourites of mine.

Dereck Chisora is a fine fighter not necessarily a fine boxer, and so is Carlos Takam. I would have given the edge to Takam, he was battering Delboy up until the end although probably burning his energy reserves to do it. He's now late thirties which is when the majority of fighters begin to slip. That is what is happening to Povetkin he's 39 years old FFS, he clearly isn't what he used to be, but make no mistake he was on a completely different and higher level than Takam and Chisora, and probably still is.

He broke Joshua's nose in round one and was boxing him extremely well. This isn't just a young giant, but a young giant of real qualiity. It wasn't his lack of stature that cost him the fight but his advancing age, and resulting loss of stamina which meant he couldn't sustain his early superiority. I'm not saying a peak Povetkin would have beaten Joshua but it would have been extremely competitive irrespective of the vast difference in height, reach and to a lesser extent, weight.

I really don't get you Luis. There are frequently posters who piss me off, mostly banned such as ironfrost, magicrap, etc who are simply too stupid to be let out on their own. You wind me up constantly but you are an entirely different animal, on the face of it not unintelligent and even articulate, yet you seem consistently to miss the point in any given situation like currently blaming lack of stature rather than lack of youth.

You remind of the scientist in the joke where having cut all the legs off the spider he finds it no longer runs when he sounds a klaxon right next to it. He concludes that the spider's ears are situated in its legs.

The reality is, Povetkin's performance against Carlos Takam (one of, if not Povetin's best opponent and knockout win) was no better than Dereck Chisora's own performance against Carlos Takam. A totally faded version of Chisora at the very least equaled, if not bettered Povetkin's performance against Takam. And when you take into consideration that Carlos Takam is one of Povetkin's best opponents, that just goes to show that Chisora utterly and thoroughly exposed Povetkin's career resume.

cs: Takam fought a great fight against Povetkin but they were both pretty much at their peak then. I haven't yet seen any evidence that Chisora has begun to decline. Takam made the mistake of going for broke against Chisora and trying to take him out, gambling his energy reserves would be up to the task. At 37 or 38 whatever he is, he was wrong.

Povetkin was thoroughly schooled, out-classed, out-boxed and badly behind on the scorecards by the midpoint against Carlos Takam, until his superior conditioning and fitness allowed him to KO a faded version of Takam. That, is anything but evidence of Povetkin being as skilled as you claim, and Takam only being a 'fine fighter' and not a 'fine boxer'. When Takam actually showed far 'finer' boxing skills than Povetkin, until his stamina had faded, and Povetkin beat him based on his conditioning advantage and not his skill advantages.

cs: It's a long time since I watched that fight but I don't recall Povetkin being out-boxed by Takam although it was highly competetive. It happens. Sometimes one fighter is at the top of his game, other times he's looking a little jaded. Call it 'bio-rythmes' or whatever you like, one fighter beating another doesn't always prove the superiority of that fighter never mind that he is (allegedly in this case) ahead on points up to the stoppage.

Chisora's performance against Takam was indifferent. He too like Povetkin was behind on the scorecards and lost as many rounds, until he turned it around (like Povetkin) by scoring a knockout punch over a faded version of Takam in the later rounds. And he did so, 2 rounds quicker than Povetkin and with far fewer punches landed.

cs: I don't dispute that (other than Povetkin was behind. That's not how I remember it) but the round number is at best insignificant and Takam and Povetkin are now in decline.

So where EXACTLY is the proof of Povetkin being this 'fine' boxer? Or more specifically, a 'finer' boxer than Dereck Chisora? Again, all this really proves is Povetkin at BEST, is at Dereck Chisora's level and no higher. That's no disrespect and shame, since Chisora is anything but a bad boxer. But to rate Povetkin any higher, is GROSS exaggeration and overrating of his abilities / level.

cs: The proof is in Povetkin's record. He has an outstanding amateur record which includes being an Olympic Gold Medal Winner, and he has occupied top contender status for the last decade. Now you're by far the forum's most voluble proponent of the ineffectiveness of the shorter heavyweight, how exactly do you explain how Povetkin managed to achieve this without being a superior technician?

You make excuses about Povetkin's age. But you totally and conveniently ignore the FACT that Povetkin was utterly schooled, humiliated, embarrassed, out-classed, dismantled and made to look like total fodder by a washed up, 37 year old Wladimir Klitschko whilst Povetkin was still in his prime. Let's also not forget that all of this happened in Povetkin's home country of Russia.

cs: It is no disgrace to lose to an ATG like Wladimir Klitschko who was then at the peak of his career and who went undefeated for ten years or so. Add to that Wlad fought like a ferkin octopus that night and couldn't have had too much of an argument had he been disqualified. I always find it interesting that "Drug cheat Povetkin" clearly a reprehensible human being (that's sarcasm btw) never once to my knowledge, has used that as an excuse for his defeat. Whenever I've seen him asked about it in interviews, he always says how he was beaten by the better man and he's tried to learn from his mistakes that night. I like Povetkin. I think he got badly stitched up by the WBC but you don't hear him whining about the raw deal he got.

What makes you think ANY version of Povetkin could've done any better against Anthony Joshua, if Joshua really decided to use his physical size and strength, when Povetkin was 100% useless and ineffective against another similar SUPER - HEAVYWEIGHT in Wladimir Klitschko?

cs: Fukc me why am I even bothering to converse with you?

cs: Povetkin was at least holding his own against Joshua. He's 39 years old and has been looking his age for his last three fights. If he were still at his peak it is surely obvious that he would have been able to sustain his success against Joshua for longer than the six rounds that he actually did. "If Joshua really decided to use his physical size and strength"??? You mean you think AJ was getting his nose busted to make it more interesting, and was holding back? Or maybe you mean using his size and strength to tie Povetkin up any time he got close and use his weight to lean all over him and tire him out like Wlad did?
cs: Kiitschko isn't or wasn't just any 6' 6" heavyweight, he is a future hall of famer. What's more he cheated outrageously against Sasha and was allowed to get away with it.

If you don't claim peak Povetkin would've beaten Joshua, then what are you claiming? Are you claiming Joshua would've beaten any version of Povetkin (basically agreeing with me)? If so, what are we even arguing over?

cs: What we are arguing over as per usual is your obsession with size to the exclusion of almost all else, and your constant disparaging of boxers who are deserving of any boxing fan's admiration and respect.

If you think Joshua beats any version of Povetkin. Then you probably subconsciously believe and know deep down that Joshua's size is too big a factor for Povetkin to ever overcome. But it does't seem like you want to ever admit that for whatever reason! Maybe because you're trying to convince yourself that such isn't the case?

cs: I have said on numerous occasions that being taller and heavier is an advantage but one that can be overcome by the smaller man if he is good enough. The problem is when the bigger man is of equal ability then the size issue assumes a greater importance. As the old saying goes "A good big'un will usually beat a good little'un". Where we differ is that I regard the advantage in height and weight to be but one factor in resolving the result of a boxing match, whereas to you it assumes a disproportionate and all-consuming importance.

Joshua proved that even the skill gap between the two isn't that great. Since Joshua jabbed the much shorter Povetkin's body to bits. That doesn't happen to elite skilled shorter boxers, which Povetkin evidently proved not to be. But when you add Joshua's SIGNIFICANT size advantage, then this bout was never going to be anything other than a disgraceful mismatch.

cs: I really don't know how you can call that a mismatch. Povetkin was unquestionably a top contender on merit, had been so for many years, won a number of the first six rounds breaking the nose of the very talented much bigger world champion. If you think Povetkin is not an elite skilled shorter (heavyweight) boxer then you Sir, are a fool.

If Joshua decided to really use his size and physical strength, this fight wouldn't have gone 3 rounds. The reason why Povetkin looked as competitive as he did, was because Joshua decided to also match / beat Povetkin in the skill department. If even Wladimir Klitschko really committed to a knockout against Povetkin, Povetkin would've been put to sleep after the very first knockdown Wlad inflicted on Povetkin in the 2nd round. A disinterested Wlad literally scored accidental knockdowns after accidental knockdowns over the suspect chinned Povetkin. That's how far below Povetkin is, to GENUINE ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko.

cs: Oh stop already. I set out to answer you point by point but I'm losing the will to live. How many more times have we got to go over the same points?

I understand that mere height and reach disadvantages can be negated by a skilled shorter boxer with shorter reach, assuming both boxers are functionally the same weight. However, height + reach + functional weight (weight being the most important factor) simply can't be negated, if all are combined,.

cs: Do you Luis? Do you really? It's very clear to me that you don't.

Yes, I do believe a shorter boxer in height and reach can negate his shorter height and reach using specific skills, ASSUMING, he and his opponents are roughly the same size / functional weight.

There is a SIGNIFICANT difference in having a shorter height and reach in the lower weight divisions, as opposed to the heavyweight division, where one can potentially outweigh their opponents by an unlimited number of pounds.

I've seen Vasyl Lomachenko and many other boxers in the lower weight divisions, beat taller opponents with longer reach, that were roughly the same FUNCTIONAL size as them.

On the other hand, when you are shorter in height and reach, PLUS, you are also HEAVILY OUTWEIGHED and OUT-SIZED in terms of functional weight (lean muscle mass and not fat), then it can become nearly impossible to overcome such size disadvantages.

Povetkin's record that you mentioned, which is somehow supposed to prove he is superior to Dereck Chisora, doesn't have much relevance in today's heavyweight landscape. He may have been a better amateur (because Chisora barely even competed in amateur boxing in the first place), but in the pros, he's barely, if at all proven to be superior to Dereck Chisora. Chisora has also been a top contender. Furthermore, Povetkin managed to do what he did. the same way Dereck Chisora has. I.E. Having roughly the same level of skills.

Just be honest, do you GENIUNELY believe Povetkin is that skilled (has elite level skills), when he LITERALLY had his body, that's right, his body and not his face, jabbed to bits by a much taller and rangier Anthony Joshua? Do you even realize how difficult it is for a much taller and rangier boxer to land jabs on any opponent that much shorter, never mind an ELITE SKILLED opponent that is that much shorter?

However, not only was Joshua landing jabs to Povetkin's body at will, but Povetkin was unable to make 0 adjustments to that. So how can you claim Povetkin is that skilled, when such a thing happened?

Can you find me just ONE elite skilled short boxer, who had his body jabbed to bits by a much taller and rangier opponent? I can assure you, you'd probably find none. Why? Because TRUE elite skilled boxers don't have their body jabbed to bits by much taller opponents with such regularity, round after round, whilst being unable to make ANY adjustments.

[candyslim]

I'm done arguing with you. Life is too short. Someone else can take up the sword if they are feeling masochistic

[Lackeos]

But unlike Chisora, he avoided the elites of the heavyweight division like Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and etc.

............................. are you f*cking high? Povetkin fought Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua.

[Ilya Muromets]

So where EXACTLY is the proof of Povetkin being this 'fine' boxer?

Povetkin beat David Price, Christian Hammer, Andriy Rudenko, Johann Duhaupas, Mariusz Wach, Mike Perez, Carlos Takam, Manuel Charr, Andrzej Wawrzyk, Marco Huck, Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, and Chris Byrd. He was a world titlist, Olympic gold medalist, and world amateur championship gold medalist. He went 125-7 as an amateur and avenged every loss. He only has 2 pro defeats, both against the reigning #1 heavyweight of the time.

If we go by his most recent feats, then he hasn't proven to be much, if at all better than Dereck Chisora. But unlike Chisora, he avoided the elites of the heavyweight division like Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and etc. Instead, he chose to pad up his record with inferior names like Carlos Takam, Mariusz Wach, Mike Perez and etc. All who are inferior to the elite heavyweights I've mentioned that Dereck Chisora fought against and lost to.

What Povetkin achieved in the Olympics in a TOTALLY different heavyweight landscape, prior to / without ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS emerging or existing like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!

Povetkin won a world title? OKAY! But who did he beat? Today, nearly anybody can be a paper titlist, which means nothing. Even Charles Martin was a titlist for goodness sake. So what? I still don't believe for a second he is any better than Dereck Chisora.

All three of those "inferior names" were never stopped before they met the Vityaz man.

[Luis Fernando12]

Povetkin beat David Price, Christian Hammer, Andriy Rudenko, Johann Duhaupas, Mariusz Wach, Mike Perez, Carlos Takam, Manuel Charr, Andrzej Wawrzyk, Marco Huck, Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, and Chris Byrd. He was a world titlist, Olympic gold medalist, and world amateur championship gold medalist. He went 125-7 as an amateur and avenged every loss. He only has 2 pro defeats, both against the reigning #1 heavyweight of the time.

If we go by his most recent feats, then he hasn't proven to be much, if at all better than Dereck Chisora. But unlike Chisora, he avoided the elites of the heavyweight division like Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and etc. Instead, he chose to pad up his record with inferior names like Carlos Takam, Mariusz Wach, Mike Perez and etc. All who are inferior to the elite heavyweights I've mentioned that Dereck Chisora fought against and lost to.

What Povetkin achieved in the Olympics in a TOTALLY different heavyweight landscape, prior to / without ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS emerging or existing like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!

Povetkin won a world title? OKAY! But who did he beat? Today, nearly anybody can be a paper titlist, which means nothing. Even Charles Martin was a titlist for goodness sake. So what? I still don't believe for a second he is any better than Dereck Chisora.

All three of those "inferior names" were never stopped before they met the Vityaz man.

So what's your point? Dereck Chisora has also stopped opponents, previously never stopped before.

[Luis Fernando12]

But unlike Chisora, he avoided the elites of the heavyweight division like Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and etc.

............................. are you f*cking high? Povetkin fought Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua.

Which is why he only has 2 losses, rather than 5 or 6 losses. Outside of Kabayel (who a motivated Chisora would beat anyway), Povetkin isn't beating ANYBODY that beat Dereck Chisora LEGITIMATELY.

[Ilya Muromets]

If we go by his most recent feats, then he hasn't proven to be much, if at all better than Dereck Chisora. But unlike Chisora, he avoided the elites of the heavyweight division like Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and etc. Instead, he chose to pad up his record with inferior names like Carlos Takam, Mariusz Wach, Mike Perez and etc. All who are inferior to the elite heavyweights I've mentioned that Dereck Chisora fought against and lost to.

What Povetkin achieved in the Olympics in a TOTALLY different heavyweight landscape, prior to / without ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS emerging or existing like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!

Povetkin won a world title? OKAY! But who did he beat? Today, nearly anybody can be a paper titlist, which means nothing. Even Charles Martin was a titlist for goodness sake. So what? I still don't believe for a second he is any better than Dereck Chisora.

All three of those "inferior names" were never stopped before they met the Vityaz man.

So what's your point? Dereck Chisora has also stopped opponents, previously never stopped before.

Not really. Looking over his record the only previously never ko'd recognizable name oponent Chisora ko'd was padded record feather fisted Malik Scott....which reminds me of yet another one of D. Wilder's fake fights!

[caldo2025]

You are all pathetic losers. Really. Go away with these dumb fking posts

[dagilechia]

No one commented in this topic for more than 2 days and you just bumped it again.

If you don't find this topic interesting then why you can't just avoid topics like this one?

[candyslim]

He does have a point

[adislav123]

You are all pathetic losers. Really. Go away with these dumb fking posts

You are one rude motherfucker!

[caldo2025]

You are all pathetic losers. Really. Go away with these dumb fking posts

You are one rude motherfucker!

Sorry dude but why don’t we talk about the deuce I dropped in the toilet bowl 2 years ago too while we are at it? I mean these Povetkin posts are literally unreal. The guys had 2 big fight lost em both and got flattened most recently. Move the F on. There are REAL boxers that these folks want to discuss but you punks keep plugging up the site with this irrelevant bs for 2 years.

Why do t you guys call each other or something? Boxing does not include Povetkin at this point so the subject is putrid. 2 years with you rejects discussing this PED abusing girl haicutted freak who’s never won a big fight. Can enough be enough already dick face? Sorry, cock face.

[jamamb]

No one commented in this topic for more than 2 days and you just bumped it again.

If you don't find this topic interesting then why you can't just avoid topics like this one?

caldo cares more about povetkin then almost anyone here does, hes posted about him many many times

[caldo2025]

No one commented in this topic for more than 2 days and you just bumped it again.

If you don't find this topic interesting then why you can't just avoid topics like this one?

caldo cares more about povetkin then almost anyone here does, hes posted about him many many times

And look who's always at the crime scene....good ole' Jamamb. It's like the arsonist always comes back to the fire they started. Jamamb has about 6-10 different user names and sign ons...he's one of them. I'll bet anything that he does. He has a Tattoo of "Povetkin" on his arm in a big red heart too. So guilty it's not even funny. I don't have time to look into it though because i'm too busy making amazing predictions of boxing outcomes. Never once wrong...don't check it Jamamb..

[lazboy]

No one commented in this topic for more than 2 days and you just bumped it again.

If you don't find this topic interesting then why you can't just avoid topics like this one?

caldo cares more about povetkin then almost anyone here does, hes posted about him many many times

And look who's always at the crime scene....good ole' Jamamb. It's like the arsonist always comes back to the fire they started. Jamamb has about 6-10 different user names and sign ons...he's one of them. I'll bet anything that he does. He has a Tattoo of "Povetkin" on his arm in a big red heart too. So guilty it's not even funny. I don't have time to look into it though because i'm too busy making amazing predictions of boxing outcomes. Never once wrong...don't check it Jamamb..

LOL mate, I mean no disrespect, I only want to share a laugh, your Wilder Stiverne 2 prediction was so funny! The funniest thing I have read on here. Needs to go into the hall of fame. Good times. Lets not take life too seriously!

[jamamb]

yet another post from caldo in a povetkin thread, yet again mentioning povetkin

[skanksta]

caldo cares more about povetkin then almost anyone here does, hes posted about him many many times

And look who's always at the crime scene....good ole' Jamamb. It's like the arsonist always comes back to the fire they started. Jamamb has about 6-10 different user names and sign ons...he's one of them. I'll bet anything that he does. He has a Tattoo of "Povetkin" on his arm in a big red heart too. So guilty it's not even funny. I don't have time to look into it though because i'm too busy making amazing predictions of boxing outcomes. Never once wrong...don't check it Jamamb..

LOL mate, I mean no disrespect, I only want to share a laugh, your Wilder Stiverne 2 prediction was so funny! The funniest thing I have read on here. Needs to go into the hall of fame. Good times. Lets not take life too seriously!

Oooh, go on.
What was it ?

[caldo2025]

caldo cares more about povetkin then almost anyone here does, hes posted about him many many times

And look who's always at the crime scene....good ole' Jamamb. It's like the arsonist always comes back to the fire they started. Jamamb has about 6-10 different user names and sign ons...he's one of them. I'll bet anything that he does. He has a Tattoo of "Povetkin" on his arm in a big red heart too. So guilty it's not even funny. I don't have time to look into it though because i'm too busy making amazing predictions of boxing outcomes. Never once wrong...don't check it Jamamb..

LOL mate, I mean no disrespect, I only want to share a laugh, your Wilder Stiverne 2 prediction was so funny! The funniest thing I have read on here. Needs to go into the hall of fame. Good times. Lets not take life too seriously!

Lolol. Dude there’s a couple more that rival that one in my history. I’m sure that Jamamb can yank them out in seconds if you wanna laugh. Not even sure if the Stiverne call was my worst honestly lmaooooo. It’s definitely not. Jamamb, please help our boy out here. Lol. I’m sure that you have history of me doing worse. This guy never misses a beat of mine. Watch this. Btw, nothing that Jamamb says it false about me so I can’t even say he lying.

F’ng kid has a memory like a freaking vault.