Saunders failed Vada test

adislav123
Super Middleweight
Posts: 1745
Joined: 10 Nov 2012, 19:05

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by adislav123 »

Why would it be a mess to apply different testing standards or apply the fornicate what and go through with a fight, 2 boxers trained month for and people spent money on, if it was a fornicating nose spray? Because... why?
adislav123
Super Middleweight
Posts: 1745
Joined: 10 Nov 2012, 19:05

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by adislav123 »

People screaming drug cheat! should use their brain. It just makes zero fornicating sense, that he took that shit with intent to "cheat". None whatsoever.
caldo2025
Super Welterweight
Posts: 4417
Joined: 16 Dec 2014, 07:37

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by caldo2025 »

Strip this god damn dingaling once and for all. F’ng embarrassment. I knew I shouldn’t go out and drop 2k for tickets for me and my buddies with this dipshiit on the card. I swear he did this on purpose. He’s that much of s dipshiit. I just hope they fill the spot with a worthy challenger and BJS can just go back to the trailer trash neighborhood and talk about old times with the other blowhard Fury. 2 disgraces who never show up when they are supposed to. Good riddance
caldo2025
Super Welterweight
Posts: 4417
Joined: 16 Dec 2014, 07:37

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by caldo2025 »

tiny_acres wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 15:21
Enlightened-One wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 15:18 It’s too premature for me to criticise Billy Joe Saunders just yet, but I’m fȕck¡ng p¡ssȅd off if the Brit has somehow cheated. The Ingle gym has a proven track-record of training fighters that are clean of PED’s.

The thing is, even if Saunders is technically innocent of any wrongdoing, he’ll still receive an automatic ban and be stripped of his title, because of the rules of the WBO.

Saunders may even be blacklisted for the foreseeable future from being given opportunities to engage in bouts against his big-name peers.

This is so fȕck¡ng bad for Saunders. :brick:
I have no idea if he is innocent or guilty. I'll await the B sample
But ironic that such a jerk is getting hell this week. If anyone deserved to be treated like crap he fits the bill
You two boneheads think that these test are wrong? The tester just had a bad day or he had a rough weekend and used dirty piss cups? It’s a failed test. You can wait around for any excuse you want to use but his piss was dirty and the drug found in the urine is a common PED. This isn’t from a burger at Wendy’s. The guys nabbed, wrap it up. Let’s not tie up this site with more bs backing these cheating scumbags. He’s caught. They don’t take this crap public unless it’s a legit blown test so put ur patronism in a sack and take a hike. This screws up a great fight on the eve of HBO ditching its boxing programming. It’s a bad day for Boxing so shut up with ur grassy nole bs.
lazboy
Welterweight
Posts: 5563
Joined: 16 Jun 2016, 21:00

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by lazboy »

I’ve used plenty of those nasal sprays in my life. They are pack full of those types of drugs. Going to go ahead and give Saunders the benefit of the doubt unless further info comes to light.
tiny_acres
Middleweight
Posts: 9442
Joined: 17 Feb 2014, 14:43

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by tiny_acres »

caldo2025 wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 22:00
tiny_acres wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 15:21
Enlightened-One wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 15:18 It’s too premature for me to criticise Billy Joe Saunders just yet, but I’m fȕck¡ng p¡ssȅd off if the Brit has somehow cheated. The Ingle gym has a proven track-record of training fighters that are clean of PED’s.

The thing is, even if Saunders is technically innocent of any wrongdoing, he’ll still receive an automatic ban and be stripped of his title, because of the rules of the WBO.

Saunders may even be blacklisted for the foreseeable future from being given opportunities to engage in bouts against his big-name peers.

This is so fȕck¡ng bad for Saunders. :brick:
I have no idea if he is innocent or guilty. I'll await the B sample
But ironic that such a jerk is getting hell this week. If anyone deserved to be treated like crap he fits the bill
You two boneheads think that these test are wrong? The tester just had a bad day or he had a rough weekend and used dirty piss cups? It’s a failed test. You can wait around for any excuse you want to use but his piss was dirty and the drug found in the urine is a common PED. This isn’t from a burger at Wendy’s. The guys nabbed, wrap it up. Let’s not tie up this site with more bs backing these cheating scumbags. He’s caught. They don’t take this crap public unless it’s a legit blown test so put ur patronism in a sack and take a hike. This screws up a great fight on the eve of HBO ditching its boxing programming. It’s a bad day for Boxing so shut up with ur grassy nole bs.
I stand consistant on all PED tests. When Povetkin failed twice I made the same comment about waiting for the
B smaple before making a judgement.
Read my posts. I also stated if anyone deserves crap It's Saunders.
But I want to see what results comeback before I prosecute a man.
So quit it with your fake moral outrage you troll
Ilya Muromets
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4243
Joined: 06 Nov 2009, 15:02

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Ilya Muromets »

I trust (Ne)Vada as far as i can throw it. The drug testing racket is dirtier than drugs.
Enlightened-One
Super Lightweight
Posts: 14618
Joined: 19 Jul 2016, 05:12

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Enlightened-One »

caldo2025 wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 22:00
tiny_acres wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 15:21
Enlightened-One wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 15:18 It’s too premature for me to criticise Billy Joe Saunders just yet, but I’ll be fȕck¡ng p¡ssȅd off if the Brit has somehow cheated. The Ingle gym has a proven track-record of training fighters that are clean of PED’s.
I have no idea if he is innocent or guilty. I'll await the B sample
But ironic that such a jerk is getting hell this week. If anyone deserved to be treated like crap he fits the bill
You two boneheads think that these test are wrong? The tester just had a bad day or he had a rough weekend and used dirty piss cups? It’s a failed test. You can wait around for any excuse you want to use but his piss was dirty and the drug found in the urine is a common PED. This isn’t from a burger at Wendy’s. The guys nabbed, wrap it up. Let’s not tie up this site with more bs backing these cheating scumbags. He’s caught. They don’t take this crap public unless it’s a legit blown test so put ur patronism in a sack and take a hike. This screws up a great fight on the eve of HBO ditching its boxing programming. It’s a bad day for Boxing so shut up with ur grassy nole bs.
Stop behaving like a fȕck¡ng prick! It’s not unreasonable to refrain from jumping to all sorts of derogatory conclusions about something or someone until you know everything about their particular situation!

Have a read of this and either shut the fȕck up or apologise!

"Billy Joe Saunders insists he is a 'clean athlete' after authorities confirm the stimulant that triggered failed drugs test is permitted out of competition"

• Billy Joe Saunders returned an adverse analytical finding for stimulant oxilofrine
• He did not breach UKAD doping regulations as it is allowed out of competition
• Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn confirms nasal spray product was behind the failed drugs test
• Saunders defends his WBO world middleweight title against Demetrius Andrade


Billy Joe Saunders has insisted he is a 'clean athlete' following confirmation from the British Boxing Board of Control that he was 'not in breach of BBBofC or UKAD anti-doping regulations'.

Less than a month before Saunders is due to defend his WBO world middleweight title against Demetrius Andrade, reports emerged of an 'adverse analytical finding' in a drugs test.

However, promoter Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn said a nasal spray product that Saunders had used is permitted 'out of competition' and that the 29-year-old fighter was not in breach of any BBBofC or United Kingdom Anti-Doping regulations.

In a statement, Wȁɍɍȅn said: 'Following reports of an adverse analytical finding in a test carried out by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) on WBO world middleweight champion, Billy Joe Saunders, we can confirm that the product concerned is permitted to be used 'out of competition' by United Kingdom Anti-Doping (UKAD) in line with the regulations of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).

'For the avoidance of doubt, the product in question was a common decongestant nasal spray.

'The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) under whose jurisdiction Billy Joe Saunders is licensed are affiliated only to UKAD/WADA.

'Today the BBBofC have confirmed that Mr Saunders is not in breach of BBBofC or UKAD anti-doping regulations and is therefore in good standing and is licensed to box and defend his world title on October 20.

'Mr Saunders has been tested a number of times in 2018, all negative, his last out of competition test by UKAD was on 24th September 2018.'

Saunders wrote on his official Twitter account on Thursday night: 'Thank you to my fans who stick by me I'm a clean athlete and gonna be around a long time thank you all stay blessed.'

Saunders is due to defend his WBO world middleweight belt against Andrade in Boston on October 20.
Thomastearns
Super Lightweight
Posts: 2402
Joined: 26 Feb 2017, 11:11

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Thomastearns »

DrDuke wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 14:44
adislav123 wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 14:37 Oxilofrine. Some Amphetamine poo found in dietary supplements.no roids or somer other poo! Who cares? Let's see.
I'm sure, he got caught just because of his controversial behavior outside of the ring. Right after that, dammit. The chiefs isolate undesirable elemements from the scene.
It does make you wonder. They hammered Ben Johnson yet turned a blind eye to Carl Lewis several times. Perhaps his recent 'prank' finally tipped the balance, perhaps this is the only way they can get the belts off him, perhaps he just isn't a big enough cash cow for them, perhaps he's the biggest threat to Canelo, or perhaps he cheated?

Can one sniff of an inhaler result in a failed test? Will we ever really know? The only way boxers can protect themselves is to be extra vigilant over what they consume. Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse in 2018.

In any case this might give Saunders a different reason to miss a fight this time because he has to get banned now, following the precedents set in the Povetkin and Canelo cases (although of course Canelo's ban was merely a token gesture designed to help him and Mauricio Sulaiman himself generously explained how it was all Bill Clinton's fault!!).

Enlightened-One
Super Lightweight
Posts: 14618
Joined: 19 Jul 2016, 05:12

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Enlightened-One »

Thomastearns wrote: 28 Sep 2018, 05:56In any case this might give Saunders a different reason to miss a fight this time because he has to get banned now, following the precedents set in the Povetkin and Canelo cases...
Did you not bother reading this article? :confused:

"Billy Joe Saunders insists he is a 'clean athlete' after authorities confirm the stimulant that triggered failed drugs test is permitted out of competition"

• Billy Joe Saunders returned an adverse analytical finding for stimulant oxilofrine
• He did not breach UKAD doping regulations as it is allowed out of competition
• Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn confirms nasal spray product was behind the failed drugs test
• Saunders defends his WBO world middleweight title against Demetrius Andrade


Billy Joe Saunders has insisted he is a 'clean athlete' following confirmation from the British Boxing Board of Control that he was 'not in breach of BBBofC or UKAD anti-doping regulations'.

Less than a month before Saunders is due to defend his WBO world middleweight title against Demetrius Andrade, reports emerged of an 'adverse analytical finding' in a drugs test.

However, promoter Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn said a nasal spray product that Saunders had used is permitted 'out of competition' and that the 29-year-old fighter was not in breach of any BBBofC or United Kingdom Anti-Doping regulations.

In a statement, Wȁɍɍȅn said: 'Following reports of an adverse analytical finding in a test carried out by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) on WBO world middleweight champion, Billy Joe Saunders, we can confirm that the product concerned is permitted to be used 'out of competition' by United Kingdom Anti-Doping (UKAD) in line with the regulations of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).

'For the avoidance of doubt, the product in question was a common decongestant nasal spray.

'The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) under whose jurisdiction Billy Joe Saunders is licensed are affiliated only to UKAD/WADA.

'Today the BBBofC have confirmed that Mr Saunders is not in breach of BBBofC or UKAD anti-doping regulations and is therefore in good standing and is licensed to box and defend his world title on October 20.

'Mr Saunders has been tested a number of times in 2018, all negative, his last out of competition test by UKAD was on 24th September 2018.'

Saunders wrote on his official Twitter account on Thursday night: 'Thank you to my fans who stick by me I'm a clean athlete and gonna be around a long time thank you all stay blessed.'

Saunders is due to defend his WBO world middleweight belt against Andrade in Boston on October 20.
Perseus
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3188
Joined: 26 Jul 2007, 03:58

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Perseus »

British Board of Boxing Control has no authority over the scheduled Saunders/Andrade fight EO.
The Massachusetts commission is the governing body for this fight. How this is handled will be up to them.
Saunders is not yet licensed in Massachusetts they still have to apply for a license to fight in that state but this test result does not automatically mean Saunders won't be licensed to fight.
VADA does drug testing and reports the results, that's it. The state commission can take action based on the VADA test or simply ignore VADA.
boxing_rocks
Welterweight
Posts: 7851
Joined: 20 May 2016, 13:11

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by boxing_rocks »

Perseus wrote: 28 Sep 2018, 08:37 British Board of Boxing Control has no authority over the scheduled Saunders/Andrade fight EO.
The Massachusetts commission is the governing body for this fight. How this is handled will be up to them.
Saunders is not yet licensed in Massachusetts they still have to apply for a license to fight in that state but this test result does not automatically mean Saunders won't be licensed to fight.
VADA does drug testing and reports the results, that's it. The state commission can take action based on the VADA test or simply ignore VADA.
In fact, Massachusetts commission will be deciding

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/b ... e-13325802

and Hearn already has an easy backup for Andrade:
“I’ve signed up the WBO’s No 2 Walter Kautondokwa and if Saunders is stripped, he will fight Andrade for the vacant title.”
Enlightened-One
Super Lightweight
Posts: 14618
Joined: 19 Jul 2016, 05:12

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Enlightened-One »

If Saunders is allowed to use a common decongestant nasal spray out of competition, as confirmed by the BBBofC and also UKAD (who adhere to the WADA code), then I do not see any justification for the Massachusetts commission to prevent the Brit from facing Andrade.

And I don't understand the reasoning for the WBO to strip Saunders of his title if his title fight against Andrade is unfairly blocked.
boxing_rocks
Welterweight
Posts: 7851
Joined: 20 May 2016, 13:11

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by boxing_rocks »

As if what you think matters.
Perseus
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3188
Joined: 26 Jul 2007, 03:58

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Perseus »

Enlightened-One wrote: 28 Sep 2018, 10:46 If Saunders is allowed to use a common decongestant nasal spray out of competition, as confirmed by the BBBofC and also UKAD (who adhere to the WADA code), then I do not see any justification for the Massachusetts commission to prevent the Brit from facing Andrade.

And I don't understand the reasoning for the WBO to strip Saunders of his title if his title fight against Andrade is unfairly blocked.
Saunders agreed to VADA drug testing.
Oxilofrine is banned in and out of competition under VADA protocol.
He agreed to the rules then was found to be in violation of those rules, if he gets blocked there is nothing unfair about it.
boxing_rocks
Welterweight
Posts: 7851
Joined: 20 May 2016, 13:11

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by boxing_rocks »

A funny thing is that he agreed to VADA testing when he was hoping to fight Golovkin. He didn't have to do it for WBO defenses.
Blodhemn
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 2848
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 20:30

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Blodhemn »

This rampant testing does more harm than good. A stimulant like oxilofrine doesn't have long term benefits. If he took a dose of it before the fight, then yeah, but otherwise a strong backlash at this point is illogical.
Evander
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 14026
Joined: 07 May 2005, 16:49

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Evander »

BJS is an idiot considering how his career had taken an upswing.
Hopefully this gives him some food for thought and he can pull his sh*t together, it's a shame for the guy considering he broke through as a serious boxer.
I'm not giving up on him though we all make mistakes but it's up to him if he wants to right this wrong.
Enlightened-One
Super Lightweight
Posts: 14618
Joined: 19 Jul 2016, 05:12

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Enlightened-One »

Perseus wrote: 28 Sep 2018, 12:40
Enlightened-One wrote: 28 Sep 2018, 10:46 If Saunders is allowed to use a common decongestant nasal spray out of competition, as confirmed by the BBBofC and also UKAD (who adhere to the WADA code), then I do not see any justification for the Massachusetts commission to prevent the Brit from facing Andrade.

And I don't understand the reasoning for the WBO to strip Saunders of his title if his title fight against Andrade is unfairly blocked.
Saunders agreed to VADA drug testing.
Oxilofrine is banned in and out of competition under VADA protocol.
He agreed to the rules then was found to be in violation of those rules, if he gets blocked there is nothing unfair about it.
How can the MSAC issue a ban on Saunders when the concentration levels detected were significantly below the VADA decision limit for a drug that isn't technically banned by either WADA, UKAD or the BBBofC?

Saunders will probably file a lawsuit against the WBO if they support the MSAC imposing any ban or license withdrawal, especially considering the fact that VADA doesn't administer any punishments.
caldo2025
Super Welterweight
Posts: 4417
Joined: 16 Dec 2014, 07:37

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by caldo2025 »

Enlightened-One wrote: 28 Sep 2018, 02:48
caldo2025 wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 22:00
tiny_acres wrote: 27 Sep 2018, 15:21

I have no idea if he is innocent or guilty. I'll await the B sample
But ironic that such a jerk is getting hell this week. If anyone deserved to be treated like crap he fits the bill
You two boneheads think that these test are wrong? The tester just had a bad day or he had a rough weekend and used dirty piss cups? It’s a failed test. You can wait around for any excuse you want to use but his piss was dirty and the drug found in the urine is a common PED. This isn’t from a burger at Wendy’s. The guys nabbed, wrap it up. Let’s not tie up this site with more bs backing these cheating scumbags. He’s caught. They don’t take this crap public unless it’s a legit blown test so put ur patronism in a sack and take a hike. This screws up a great fight on the eve of HBO ditching its boxing programming. It’s a bad day for Boxing so shut up with ur grassy nole bs.
Stop behaving like a fȕck¡ng prick! It’s not unreasonable to refrain from jumping to all sorts of derogatory conclusions about something or someone until you know everything about their particular situation!

Have a read of this and either shut the fȕck up or apologise!

"Billy Joe Saunders insists he is a 'clean athlete' after authorities confirm the stimulant that triggered failed drugs test is permitted out of competition"

• Billy Joe Saunders returned an adverse analytical finding for stimulant oxilofrine
• He did not breach UKAD doping regulations as it is allowed out of competition
• Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn confirms nasal spray product was behind the failed drugs test
• Saunders defends his WBO world middleweight title against Demetrius Andrade


Billy Joe Saunders has insisted he is a 'clean athlete' following confirmation from the British Boxing Board of Control that he was 'not in breach of BBBofC or UKAD anti-doping regulations'.

Less than a month before Saunders is due to defend his WBO world middleweight title against Demetrius Andrade, reports emerged of an 'adverse analytical finding' in a drugs test.

However, promoter Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn said a nasal spray product that Saunders had used is permitted 'out of competition' and that the 29-year-old fighter was not in breach of any BBBofC or United Kingdom Anti-Doping regulations.

In a statement, Wȁɍɍȅn said: 'Following reports of an adverse analytical finding in a test carried out by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) on WBO world middleweight champion, Billy Joe Saunders, we can confirm that the product concerned is permitted to be used 'out of competition' by United Kingdom Anti-Doping (UKAD) in line with the regulations of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).

'For the avoidance of doubt, the product in question was a common decongestant nasal spray.

'The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) under whose jurisdiction Billy Joe Saunders is licensed are affiliated only to UKAD/WADA.

'Today the BBBofC have confirmed that Mr Saunders is not in breach of BBBofC or UKAD anti-doping regulations and is therefore in good standing and is licensed to box and defend his world title on October 20.

'Mr Saunders has been tested a number of times in 2018, all negative, his last out of competition test by UKAD was on 24th September 2018.'

Saunders wrote on his official Twitter account on Thursday night: 'Thank you to my fans who stick by me I'm a clean athlete and gonna be around a long time thank you all stay blessed.'

Saunders is due to defend his WBO world middleweight belt against Andrade in Boston on October 20.
What a jackass. Wait Billy Joe says he’s innocent. No way. Oh I take it all back man. Idiot. EVERYONE says that they were innocent moron. It’s a burger. It’s nose spray. I bumped into a needle 15 times in 6 months. Look at the excuses that have been made from all of these cheaters who have been caught. Sugar Shane had the best excuses. Boxers never admit it. Name 5 that have been caught and admitted it.

There’s nothing more difinitive than an f’ng drug test. It tells you exactly what’s in someone’s body. What makes you boneheads think that every test is wrong. Just a bunch of idiotic fans. How much easier would camp be with a stimulant? Duhhhh
Evander
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 14026
Joined: 07 May 2005, 16:49

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Evander »

caldo2025 wrote: 28 Sep 2018, 23:16 It’s a burger. It’s nose spray. I bumped into a needle 15 times in 6 months. Look at the excuses that have been made from all of these cheaters who have been caught.
:clap:
Ilya Muromets
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4243
Joined: 06 Nov 2009, 15:02

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Ilya Muromets »

Some people know what's really going on...


dagilechia
Super Middleweight
Posts: 5319
Joined: 09 Apr 2013, 08:43

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by dagilechia »

Those cheaters never know that their "nose spray" or whatever they use as an excuse contains illegal substances before they get caught but just seconds after they get caught they get enlightened. It is always the same scheme.
Ilya Muromets
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4243
Joined: 06 Nov 2009, 15:02

Re: Saunders failed Vada test

Post by Ilya Muromets »

dagilechia wrote: 29 Sep 2018, 03:01 Those cheaters never know that their "nose spray" or whatever they use as an excuse contains illegal substances before they get caught but just seconds after they get caught they get enlightened. It is always the same scheme.

I wouldn't be so quick to buy what they're selling, Dag. Don't you think it's suspicious that the house fighters, the big name cash cows, the in crowd, never get charged?
Post Reply