Teddy Atlas on Joe Rogan

[Impractical Poster]

Teddy appeared on Rogan's podcast today. If you have a spare 3 hours, do yourself a favor and listen to this podcast. No matter your opinion on Atlas, if you are a fan of boxing, you will absolutely love this.

[Impractical Poster]

I'm telling you, you're missing out on something special if you value the history and integrity of the sport.

Personally, I haven't really cared for Teddy. But this podcast is something special. One of the very few podcasts I've seen where Joe sits most of the time in total interest and silence. I've been of boxing for over 20 years and I learned a lot from this.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He said Mike Tyson was 0-5 in fights that mattered, or where his heart was tested.

Praised him, but said he wasn't great..

[victor-romeo]

He said Mike Tyson was 0-5 in fights that mattered, or where his heart was tested.

Praised him, but said he wasn't great..

I have to disagree with him, there, I think Tyson was great . I listened to the first 15 minutes of interview, enjoyed it Teddy is calm and smart, I also disagree with him on Canelo fight, I didn't have a great view of second fight but felt Canelo won, and thought Canelo lost 1st fight..He scored for GGG by a wide margin in second fight, just didn't see that..

[SenorPipino]

He said Mike Tyson was 0-5 in fights that mattered, or where his heart was tested.

Praised him, but said he wasn't great..

I always point out that Tyson lost 5 fights.

And he wasn't around for the final bell in any of them.

I've never understood the Tyson worshippers. What did they see in him?

He didn't possess the heart of a champion.

Atlas realizes that better than most.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Atlas realizes that better than most.

Atlas trained him too.

[victor-romeo]

He didn't train Tyson for his whole career, and ask John David Jackson what he thinks of Kovalev you most likely won't get an objective answer..Same thing with Atlas and Tyson.

[Impractical Poster]

He said Mike Tyson was 0-5 in fights that mattered, or where his heart was tested.

Praised him, but said he wasn't great..

I always point out that Tyson lost 5 fights.

And he wasn't around for the final bell in any of them.

I've never understood the Tyson worshippers. What did they see in him?

He didn't possess the heart of a champion.

Atlas realizes that better than most.

Yep. His whole point was you find out a man's real character when they are faced with adversity.

[SenorPipino]

He said Mike Tyson was 0-5 in fights that mattered, or where his heart was tested.

Praised him, but said he wasn't great..

I always point out that Tyson lost 5 fights.

And he wasn't around for the final bell in any of them.

I've never understood the Tyson worshippers. What did they see in him?

He didn't possess the heart of a champion.

Atlas realizes that better than most.

Yep. His whole point was you find out a man's real character when they are faced with adversity.

And Tyson consistently flunked the character test.

That's why, even in his prime, Tyson would have been throttled by all the ATG heavyweights.

His skills level may have been high circa 1987-88, but his character, shaping his inability to deal with and fight through adversity, would have always failed him.

[victor-romeo]

I don't think character as a person and ability to overcome adversity in the ring are synonymous, I think you can be a rotten person and be able to overcome adversity in the ring and vice a versa, can have good character in your life but be unable to overcome adversity in the ring...

[adislav123]

Again that. To deny a guy "the heart of a champion" (whatever that should mean, nothing but a hollow phrase applied to "real life" in my opinion) who fought his way out of the gutter to become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world at his age, is just plain bullshit. I'm not a tyson "worshipper" by any means. just show basic respect where respect is due. Tyson may have not been the most likeable guy, and you may call him whatever bad and might not be wrong. but he survived a life of adversity (if brought on himself by his own shortcomings or not) that many may have not. Also doesn't mean much! But come on: The "heart of a champion"!!! Pfffft!Bullshit! Atlas whom i like, just talking out off his behind, in this case.

[Impractical Poster]

I don't think character as a person and ability to overcome adversity in the ring are synonymous, I think you can be a rotten person and be able to overcome adversity in the ring and vice a versa, can have good character in your life but be unable to overcome adversity in the ring...

I meant character for when things get tough. If you fight for a living, and you know it at an elite level, but take the easy way out when things get tough, you don't think that would bleed over to other avenues of life?

Sure, there are rotten people who don't quit when the going gets tough. And there are awesome people that do. It's one character trait. That one character trait doesn't define a person overall. It's just one of a bunch of character traits that define a person.

With Tyson, he was a bully as well. So, it didn't look good for him. I'm always reminded of the character, Ike, on in the movie Tombstone, when speaking of a bully/cowardice character trait. One of the worst traits to have in the world.

[sweetviolenturge]

A few random thoughts on Teddy's comments regarding Tyson:

- Tyson, of course, lost 6 fights. Five men beat him but he lost 6 times.
- I can't agree that all 50 of Tyson's victories were simply due to intimidation & that all of those 48 men that he beat simply capitulated.
- I believe that Jesse Ferguson started out with every intention of beating Tyson. As did James "Quick" Tillis, Mitch Green, "Nino" Ribalta, Tony Tucker, Larry Holmes, Frank Bruno ( the first time around ), "Razor" Ruddock ( twice ), Frans Botha & Orlin Norris.
- I think that was Tyson as mentally fragile as Atlas claims that he'd have panicked & found a way out of the Tillis fight when it became obvious that he wasn't going to be knocking him out. But, he didn't. Nor did he when Ribalta hung tough in the middle rounds of their fight. Neither did he when briefly stunned early on against both Tucker & Bruno ( in their first fight ).
- And, post-Douglas he shouldn't have been able to survive being rocked by Ruddock in their first fight nor have been able to beat him twice.

[jamamb]

teddy sure loves an opportunity to bash tyson

[squiggy]

Oh, nice. I look forward to checkin' this out tomorrow.

[JCS]

About 2/3rds in... hardly anything of actual substance that'd interest a boxing fan... more about why is Teddy is like Teddy. Joe let him ramble way too long about some fuzzy stories.

It's not bad and maybe I'm being too tough, but I got my hopes up. It's more about listening to an older guy that loves to hear himself talk, give a reasonable perspective on life, mostly his life.. and it could've been condensed by a lot.

[Cyclops]

I got up to when he was talking about his dad being a doctor and completely lost interest. He can be interesting in small amounts but given the opportunity boy does he prattle on.

He takes about ten minutes to say one thing and then takes another ten to make the same point in a different way.

[paddy chavez]

teddy sure loves an opportunity to bash tyson

that's one of the reasons i dislike him so much

[paddy chavez]

He said Mike Tyson was 0-5 in fights that mattered, or where his heart was tested.

Praised him, but said he wasn't great..

thats rubbish the spinks fight mattered so did the ruddock fights and he was tested in those fights