Fury beats Wilder then AJ then retires unbeaten. Rank him.

[nitro5912]

I'd say lower end of the top 30 if we're talking about ATG lists.

He lacks one thing that stands out, he has never ever defended his world title. Until he wins one, defends it, his stock is depleted.

Say what you want being lineal champion, he has won world titles but never defended.

Beat wilder, then fight someone then his stock rises. Beat wilder and go on a binge again and he is below the likes of buster Douglas who at least defended v holyfield

[chinarich]

I would rank him rank 10 ish of all heavyweight ever, I would put AJ on rank 4 currently, Wilder is not in my list, he would be my rank 1 in the list of hypejobs and scams somehow, he could have fought about 30 guys that would have won against him, but he only fight bums and crackheads and still actually!

AJ at number four? Surely you jest, Sir?

[TopGun]

On the basis of this thread you would have no choice but to rank him right up there in the all time top 5 in my opinion....scary to think because of his body shape, punching power, but you cannot argue with those results if they happened.

[Noxy]

People only talk about lineal champ for heavyweights. I find it boring tbh. Fury is lineal champ, and?

[danconnollyeire]

Some of those fought with smaller gloves, too. Same as Pele played with a heavier ball. Comparisons are all guesswork.

Lewis - beat Tyson, Grant, Bruno, Holyfield, V. Klistschko, Tua, Briggs (a lot of who are arguably better than any current HW champ)

Swap Grant for Mason. Tyson and Holyfield were past their best, so too was Tua a little bit. And Lewis never fought Ibeabuchi, who'd have been hard to avoid if he'd not lost the plot.

Mason, Bruno, Briggs and Klitschko were very good wins, and though Rahman doesn't rate quite as highly, Lewis' position is elevated by the way he beat him in their rematch.

Fury's not ATG material, but he's high on the interest list alongside Wilder and AJ, because we're all waiting for them to be exposed. Maybe one of them won't be. I'd have fancied Haye to beat them all 2:1 in his prime, and he's not an all-timer at heavy.

I agree about Grant in hindsight but at the time he was seen as some beast, kinda the Wilder of his day. A lot of pundits made him favourite/thought he'd do a McCall

[Coco]

Golota was a great win, he had just bashed up Bowe twice.
It is true to say Lewis never fought Bowe, and fought Tyson and Holyfield past their peak. He was past his peak when he took on Klitschow, timing is everything!!

[Grilling Machine]

If Lewis had beaten Bowe in '95, Tyson in '96 (taking Holyfield's place), Holyfield in '97, and then Ibeabuchi in '98, he'd be right up at the sharp end with the ATGs. In the mix with Louis, Ali and Holmes.

[moogie101]

If he does this (and personally I think he will) a lot of it comes to catching Wlad at the tail end of his career & that both AJ & Wilder are flattered by fighting in such a terribly weak division. However he'd still have beaten the best of his era & likely scrape into the top ten but no higher.

[banjo]

People only talk about lineal champ for heavyweights. I find it boring tbh. Fury is lineal champ, and?

Is he though? He became the so called "lineal" champion in November 2015 then didn't fight until June this year and neither of his comeback fights were scheduled for more than 10 rounds, surely you have to defend that "lineal" title within a timespan...

Besides I think it's nonsense, like when people regarded Michael Spinks as "lineal" heavyweight champion in the late 80's but everyone knew who the "real" heavyweight champion was and it was Tyson.

Same in the 90's when Foreman KO'd Moorer for the undisputed title he eventually got stripped of his belts for refusing to fight his number one contenders would anyone really of considered him still to be the true champion? Nah everyone knew the guys like Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis were way ahead of him in the pecking order as Big George carried on passing Lou Savarese and Crawford Grimsley as legitimate opponents.

[Coco]

Foreman lost to Briggs who then lost to Lewis

[banjo]

Foreman lost to Briggs who then lost to Lewis

After defeating Moorer, Foreman refused to face any of the top boys so in my eyes ceased being the champion.

[dookus]

Even with those results, nowhere near top twenty

[tiny_acres]

I would rank him rank 10 ish of all heavyweight ever, I would put AJ on rank 4 currently, Wilder is not in my list, he would be my rank 1 in the list of hypejobs and scams somehow, he could have fought about 30 guys that would have won against him, but he only fight bums and crackheads and still actually!

AJ at number four? Surely you jest, Sir?

Oh wait, I made a mistake, I didn't notice in the title that Fury beat AJ as well, which then would lower AJ his rating and would raise Fury his rating.
Proving the world wrong 3 times in a row would put Fury on the rank 1 spot, at least for the time beïng for me.

Damn, that would be amazing actually, I can't say I like him, but if he wins in a fair way, like he did against Klitschko, then I'd have to give him credits.

Still, yes I really rate AJ that high, he's literally coming in, destroying the entire division convincingly within 20 fights and keeps staying on top after that, what more can you ask from the champion of the world?

Out of morbid curiosity. If Wilder were to ko Fury then AJ where would you rate Wilder all time?
I know the answer before hand but I'm curious how you would put it

[tiny_acres]

Oh wait, I made a mistake, I didn't notice in the title that Fury beat AJ as well, which then would lower AJ his rating and would raise Fury his rating.
Proving the world wrong 3 times in a row would put Fury on the rank 1 spot, at least for the time beïng for me.

Damn, that would be amazing actually, I can't say I like him, but if he wins in a fair way, like he did against Klitschko, then I'd have to give him credits.

Still, yes I really rate AJ that high, he's literally coming in, destroying the entire division convincingly within 20 fights and keeps staying on top after that, what more can you ask from the champion of the world?

Out of morbid curiosity. If Wilder were to ko Fury then AJ where would you rate Wilder all time?
I know the answer before hand but I'm curious how you would put it

If he does it convincingly and without a lucky shot, without help from the refs, while having had proper doping tests of an independant lab that isn't from Margareth Goodman, without a premature stoppage while beïng badly behind in points, or several brakes as soon as his opponent got a chance (I mean, my prediction is that he will lose like 10/11 out of 12 rounds against Fury and receive the win anyway, if the fight happens at all), I'll have to give him credits. I can't say I'm impressed by him right now and I also have to say that both Klitschko's, who I respect a lot more, have lost some matches while beïng the better men in the ring. Anyway, imagine if, then I'm affraid I have to rank him around rank 5 ish. Somehow I still keep in mind that he is out there for many many years before he finally fought a name at all. Wilder is in his prime right now, he has been waiting for that, while holding hostage of a belt, for many many years, he won't get any better then he is right now, while AJ is barely started at all and Fury has been out of shape for several years now.

consistency is not your strong suit

[candyslim]

I bet in the forties fight fans were saying "Louis? pah! - the guy is stiff and robotic and has a glass jaw. He'd not be able to cope with a peak Baer, or Sharkey even, never mind Jack Johnson or Dempsey."

It's why I seldom get involved in this kind of debate.

[Grilling Machine]

Yeah, but Joe Louis was 137 years old.

[Autobarn]

It sounds like fantasy to me.

[candyslim]

Yeah, but Joe Louis was 137 years old.

Que? Joe Louis isn't 137 years old now, never mind in the forties. Mind you, if anyone had called him "robotic" then, he'd have probably got the response "What's 'robotic'?"

[chinarich]

I would rank him rank 10 ish of all heavyweight ever, I would put AJ on rank 4 currently, Wilder is not in my list, he would be my rank 1 in the list of hypejobs and scams somehow, he could have fought about 30 guys that would have won against him, but he only fight bums and crackheads and still actually!

AJ at number four? Surely you jest, Sir?

Oh wait, I made a mistake, I didn't notice in the title that Fury beat AJ as well, which then would lower AJ his rating and would raise Fury his rating.
Proving the world wrong 3 times in a row would put Fury on the rank 1 spot, at least for the time beïng for me.

Damn, that would be amazing actually, I can't say I like him, but if he wins in a fair way, like he did against Klitschko, then I'd have to give him credits.

Still, yes I really rate AJ that high, he's literally coming in, destroying the entire division convincingly within 20 fights and keeps staying on top after that, what more can you ask from the champion of the world?

Wow, you probably should lay off whatever it is you’re smoking.

Out of curiosity, which three heavyweights do you have above AJ?

[danconnollyeire]

Oh wait, I made a mistake, I didn't notice in the title that Fury beat AJ as well, which then would lower AJ his rating and would raise Fury his rating.
Proving the world wrong 3 times in a row would put Fury on the rank 1 spot, at least for the time beïng for me.

Damn, that would be amazing actually, I can't say I like him, but if he wins in a fair way, like he did against Klitschko, then I'd have to give him credits.

Still, yes I really rate AJ that high, he's literally coming in, destroying the entire division convincingly within 20 fights and keeps staying on top after that, what more can you ask from the champion of the world?

Wow, you probably should lay off whatever it is you’re smoking.

Out of curiosity, which three heavyweights do you have above AJ?

Oh, for me it's a little hard to say, because hero's from the past would probably lose against current heavyweights, simply because they where smaller at the time.
If there was a tournament of all world top contenders ever, and all of them in their prime, I think Vitali Klitschko would win.
But in perspective I think Rocky Marciano (who's shorter then I am actually) showed the best overall numbers against the best competition out there at the time.
Another serious contender where many people might have never heard from (and died at the age of 28) is Young Stribling.
Somehow even in perspective, I'm really really impressed by AJ and I think it's sad that such a lack of people out there realise how good he is.

He has only had 22 pro fights or so and he has already beaten more olympic champions as anyone has ever done in history hasn't he? And on top of that he won the olympics himself ofcourse. He already won and defended more belts then pretty much anyone in heavyweight history! And he actually knocked every contender out there except for the other champion of the world who has still never been knocked out. And he didn't ask people to come back out of retirement for a nice fixed last payday, like other current heavyweight champions. No, he faces the top of the world out there (several who should have been faced earlier by other champions)
and knocks them out, or takes over their title(s). He got his first world title by winning convincingly within two rounds, without even beïng touched himself at all! Those are just the numbers and facts. Compare that to anyone in history? And on top of that, he's the people's champ, he offers absolutely record paydays to the guys the fans want him to face. He offers them more money for one fight compared to all of their fights ever in their life combined and they still run away scared with all kind of odd and silly excuses.

Vitali is also amazing, he has never been knocked out, or even knocked down in his boxing carreer and has never been behind on any boxing scorecard in his entire carreer. I'm convinced that even today he would still beat anyone who ever took over any title from him in his carreer (and after it, Stiverne/Arreola).

I'm also impressed by George Foreman, become the champion of the world, convincingly, lose a match, get out of the ring for allmost a decade, come back, become the champion of the world again.

Wladimir in his prime also showed awesome numbers, but sadly he had a few offdays during his carreer.

In perspective I'd say
1: Marciano
2: Vitali
3: Young Stribling
4: Anthony Joshua (still with potential to grow)
5: Roberto Balado (who never made it to the pro's)

All boxers in their prime I'd say:
1: Vitali
2: Anthony Joshua
3: Lennox Lewis
4: Wladimir Klitschko
5: Tyson Fury (with potential to grow)

I know that many others prefere Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali and such, but really, I can't see either of them winning against current AJ or prime Vitali and they have lost matches in a fair way simply because their opponent was better.

You’re such a crackhead afjgkl, that must’ve taken you ages to type

[tiny_acres]

If he does it convincingly and without a lucky shot, without help from the refs, while having had proper doping tests of an independant lab that isn't from Margareth Goodman, without a premature stoppage while beïng badly behind in points, or several brakes as soon as his opponent got a chance (I mean, my prediction is that he will lose like 10/11 out of 12 rounds against Fury and receive the win anyway, if the fight happens at all), I'll have to give him credits. I can't say I'm impressed by him right now and I also have to say that both Klitschko's, who I respect a lot more, have lost some matches while beïng the better men in the ring. Anyway, imagine if, then I'm affraid I have to rank him around rank 5 ish. Somehow I still keep in mind that he is out there for many many years before he finally fought a name at all. Wilder is in his prime right now, he has been waiting for that, while holding hostage of a belt, for many many years, he won't get any better then he is right now, while AJ is barely started at all and Fury has been out of shape for several years now.

consistency is not your strong suit

It is actually, you're just asking for a very odd inconsistance situation where Wilder would beat people he can't beat, or at least not when they are in shape. Arreola nearly beat him by accident.

You really are a dumb-fornicate

[funso banjo baby]

wouldn't put him anywhere near the greats.

he wins the title.....and then beat a number 1 and number 2 contender

hardly a legacy

[chinarich]

Oh wait, I made a mistake, I didn't notice in the title that Fury beat AJ as well, which then would lower AJ his rating and would raise Fury his rating.
Proving the world wrong 3 times in a row would put Fury on the rank 1 spot, at least for the time beïng for me.

Damn, that would be amazing actually, I can't say I like him, but if he wins in a fair way, like he did against Klitschko, then I'd have to give him credits.

Still, yes I really rate AJ that high, he's literally coming in, destroying the entire division convincingly within 20 fights and keeps staying on top after that, what more can you ask from the champion of the world?

Wow, you probably should lay off whatever it is you’re smoking.

Out of curiosity, which three heavyweights do you have above AJ?

Oh, for me it's a little hard to say, because hero's from the past would probably lose against current heavyweights, simply because they where smaller at the time.
If there was a tournament of all world top contenders ever, and all of them in their prime, I think Vitali Klitschko would win.
But in perspective I think Rocky Marciano (who's shorter then I am actually) showed the best overall numbers against the best competition out there at the time.
Another serious contender where many people might have never heard from (and died at the age of 28) is Young Stribling.
Somehow even in perspective, I'm really really impressed by AJ and I think it's sad that such a lack of people out there realise how good he is.

He has only had 22 pro fights or so and he has already beaten more olympic champions as anyone has ever done in history hasn't he? And on top of that he won the olympics himself ofcourse. He already won and defended more belts then pretty much anyone in heavyweight history! And he actually knocked every contender out there except for the other champion of the world who has still never been knocked out. And he didn't ask people to come back out of retirement for a nice fixed last payday, like other current heavyweight champions. No, he faces the top of the world out there (several who should have been faced earlier by other champions)
and knocks them out, or takes over their title(s). He got his first world title by winning convincingly within two rounds, without even beïng touched himself at all! Those are just the numbers and facts. Compare that to anyone in history? And on top of that, he's the people's champ, he offers absolutely record paydays to the guys the fans want him to face. He offers them more money for one fight compared to all of their fights ever in their life combined and they still run away scared with all kind of odd and silly excuses.

Vitali is also amazing, he has never been knocked out, or even knocked down in his boxing carreer and has never been behind on any boxing scorecard in his entire carreer. I'm convinced that even today he would still beat anyone who ever took over any title from him in his carreer (and after it, Stiverne/Arreola).

I'm also impressed by George Foreman, become the champion of the world, convincingly, lose a match, get out of the ring for allmost a decade, come back, become the champion of the world again.

Wladimir in his prime also showed awesome numbers, but sadly he had a few offdays during his carreer.

In perspective I'd say
1: Marciano
2: Vitali
3: Young Stribling
4: Anthony Joshua (still with potential to grow)
5: Roberto Balado (who never made it to the pro's)

All boxers in their prime I'd say:
1: Vitali
2: Anthony Joshua
3: Lennox Lewis
4: Wladimir Klitschko
5: Tyson Fury (with potential to grow)

I know that many others prefere Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali and such, but really, I can't see either of them winning against current AJ or prime Vitali and they have lost matches in a fair way simply because their opponent was better.

Ah, okay... Lewis beat Vitali and would beat Joshua every day of the week and twice on Sunday so Lewis should be top in your list...

[tiny_acres]

It is actually, you're just asking for a very odd inconsistance situation where Wilder would beat people he can't beat, or at least not when they are in shape. Arreola nearly beat him by accident.

You really are a dumb-fornicate

I bet I can win a chess match all day against you.

Wow!!! You are unbelievable.
Seek help. You need therapy

[chinarich]

Oh, for me it's a little hard to say, because hero's from the past would probably lose against current heavyweights, simply because they where smaller at the time.
If there was a tournament of all world top contenders ever, and all of them in their prime, I think Vitali Klitschko would win.
But in perspective I think Rocky Marciano (who's shorter then I am actually) showed the best overall numbers against the best competition out there at the time.
Another serious contender where many people might have never heard from (and died at the age of 28) is Young Stribling.
Somehow even in perspective, I'm really really impressed by AJ and I think it's sad that such a lack of people out there realise how good he is.

He has only had 22 pro fights or so and he has already beaten more olympic champions as anyone has ever done in history hasn't he? And on top of that he won the olympics himself ofcourse. He already won and defended more belts then pretty much anyone in heavyweight history! And he actually knocked every contender out there except for the other champion of the world who has still never been knocked out. And he didn't ask people to come back out of retirement for a nice fixed last payday, like other current heavyweight champions. No, he faces the top of the world out there (several who should have been faced earlier by other champions)
and knocks them out, or takes over their title(s). He got his first world title by winning convincingly within two rounds, without even beïng touched himself at all! Those are just the numbers and facts. Compare that to anyone in history? And on top of that, he's the people's champ, he offers absolutely record paydays to the guys the fans want him to face. He offers them more money for one fight compared to all of their fights ever in their life combined and they still run away scared with all kind of odd and silly excuses.

Vitali is also amazing, he has never been knocked out, or even knocked down in his boxing carreer and has never been behind on any boxing scorecard in his entire carreer. I'm convinced that even today he would still beat anyone who ever took over any title from him in his carreer (and after it, Stiverne/Arreola).

I'm also impressed by George Foreman, become the champion of the world, convincingly, lose a match, get out of the ring for allmost a decade, come back, become the champion of the world again.

Wladimir in his prime also showed awesome numbers, but sadly he had a few offdays during his carreer.

In perspective I'd say
1: Marciano
2: Vitali
3: Young Stribling
4: Anthony Joshua (still with potential to grow)
5: Roberto Balado (who never made it to the pro's)

All boxers in their prime I'd say:
1: Vitali
2: Anthony Joshua
3: Lennox Lewis
4: Wladimir Klitschko
5: Tyson Fury (with potential to grow)

I know that many others prefere Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali and such, but really, I can't see either of them winning against current AJ or prime Vitali and they have lost matches in a fair way simply because their opponent was better.

Ah, okay... Lewis beat Vitali and would beat Joshua every day of the week and twice on Sunday so Lewis should be top in your list...

No, Lewis did not beat Vitali, Vitali was ahead on all scorecards and was very very lucky the fight was stopped because of a few lucky cuts. Vitali was sitting on his chair, waiting for the next round to happen and the crowd cheered him despite the fight happened at a location Lewis was more popular. Out of a 100 fights, Lewis would win one or two and that's exactly what happened. Cowardish like Lewis is, he only wanted a rematch for over a 100 milion dollar (at that time!) from the Ukrainian (poor country) who obviously couldn't afford that. The only reason Lewis did that is because he knew he was very very very lucky to not have lost that match only on the scorecards. Byrd ain't the better boxer either and neither is Hasim Rahman (who got KOed by Povetkin in 2 rounds) and others who KOed Lewis.

Oh, hahaha, sure... You better get boxrec to update the result then.