Alexander Povetkin initiated the clinches and the fouls against Wladimir Klitschko and not vice versa

[Luis Fernando12]

Far too often, I've encountered people claiming, from hearing and reading their claims, that Wladimir Klitshcko SUPPOSEDLY cheated, fouled and fought dirty against Alexander Povetkin whilst being able to get away with it. It's about time this myth is debunked!

Charging in and bull rushing an opponent with one's head first, is totally against the rules of boxing. Thus, if a boxer retaliates by clinching, they are responding to a foul with a foul of their own. The point is, it was a fair fight and fought at an even playing field, contrary to popular belief, coming from those groupies claiming Povetkin was at an unfair disadvantage. Simply because, both executed ONE foul on each other. Povetkin fouled Wladimir Klitschko first, and then Wladimir Klitschko responded with a foul of his own on Povetkin.

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxF4QzdEDnQ

Just count the number of times Povetkin charged in with his head into Wladimir Klitschko's body. That's illegal and against the rules. Whilst excessive clinching is ALSO against the rules. Wladimir Klitschko initiated only a handful of clinches. The rest were from Povetkin.


Wladimir Klitschko doesn't clinch, and doesn't even need to clinch, to beat opponents like Alexander Povetkin, provided, they also fight within the rules and don't charge in with their heads. To see Wladimir Klitschko beating a short opponent like Povetkin that also specializes in pressure fighting, without needing to EXCESSIVELY clinch (because that short boxer boxed within the rules and didn't charge in with his head like Povetkin did against Wladimir Klitshcko), then see this fight of Wladimir Klitschko against Ruslan Chagaev:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFXbQqM_j2g

In this fight, Wladimir Klitschko proved he doesn't need to excessively hold or clinch against Ruslan Chagaev? Why? Because, not only was he still in his prime against Chagaev, unlike against Povetkin, but also because he fought a Chagaev who was boxing clean and not charging / bull rushing head first onto Wladimir Klitschko like how Povetkin was doing for the most part.

And it's been proven that Povetkin is practically on the same level as Ruslan Chagaev. Since when they both fought each other, it was a past-prime Chagaev vs a prime Povetkin. Yet, Povetkin still went life and death and just about beat a past-prime Chagaev in a very close, competitive fight, which was also evident by the close scorecards too.

[Enlightened-One]

Far too often, I've encountered people claiming, from hearing and reading their claims, that Wladimir Klitshcko SUPPOSEDLY cheated, fouled and fought dirty against Alexander Povetkin whilst being able to get away with it. It's about time this myth is debunked!

Charging in and bull rushing an opponent with one's head first, is totally against the rules of boxing. Thus, if a boxer retaliates by clinching, they are responding to a foul with a foul of their own. The point is, it was a fair fight and fought at an even playing field, contrary to popular belief, coming from those groupies claiming Povetkin was at an unfair disadvantage. Simply because, both executed ONE foul on each other. Povetkin fouled Wladimir Klitschko first, and then Wladimir Klitschko responded with a foul of his own on Povetkin.

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxF4QzdEDnQ

Just count the number of times Povetkin charged in with his head into Wladimir Klitschko's body. That's illegal and against the rules. Whilst excessive clinching is ALSO against the rules. Wladimir Klitschko initiated only a handful of clinches. The rest were from Povetkin.


Wladimir Klitschko doesn't clinch, and doesn't even need to clinch, to beat opponents like Alexander Povetkin, provided, they also fight within the rules and don't charge in with their heads. To see Wladimir Klitschko beating a short opponent like Povetkin that also specializes in pressure fighting, without needing to EXCESSIVELY clinch (because that short boxer boxed within the rules and didn't charge in with his head like Povetkin did against Wladimir Klitshcko), then see this fight of Wladimir Klitschko against Ruslan Chagaev:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFXbQqM_j2g

In this fight, Wladimir Klitschko proved he doesn't need to excessively hold or clinch against Ruslan Chagaev? Why? Because, not only was he still in his prime against Chagaev, unlike against Povetkin, but also because he fought a Chagaev who was boxing clean and not charging / bull rushing head first onto Wladimir Klitschko like how Povetkin was doing for the most part.

And it's been proven that Povetkin is practically on the same level as Ruslan Chagaev. Since when they both fought each other, it was a past-prime Chagaev vs a prime Povetkin. Yet, Povetkin still went life and death and just about beat a past-prime Chagaev in a very close, competitive fight, which was also evident by the close scorecards too.

With greatest of respect, this fight happened five years ago, so this thread should really be moved to the history section, since it has no bearing whatsoever on the “current scene”.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Who is this new guy? Seems to just bash Povetkin. Bloody ell, this fight was ages ago.

[dagilechia]

Who is this new guy? Seems to just bash Povetkin. Bloody ell, this fight was ages ago.

He is a troll. At first, he stated that Povetkin is one of the most skilled and one of the best fighters in the world but he's just too small to compete vs super-heavyweights like Wlad or Joshua (he used the little mouse vs t-rex/behemoth analogy or something like that)

Now he says that:

-Gvozdyk arguably beats Povetkin

-Povetkin's record is no better than Chisora's

-Whyte brutally knocks out Povetkin

-Takam is a clown and he is the fighter of Jordan Shimmell's calibre

-Pulev easily jabs Povetkin's ears off

-Povetkin is a natural Light Heavyweight

-divisions in boxing should be based also on height, not only weight

-It's obvious that Chisora beats everyone who Povetkin had ever beat and it's almost sure that Povetkin loses to everyone who have beaten Chisora except of Kabayel (who, in his opinion, is a no-hoper against motivated Chisora anyway).

-Gassiev punches harder than Povetkin, no doubt

-Povetkin is too small for HW and thats why his punches are irrevelant in this division (he thought that Povetkin has virtually no chances to knock out David Price) but Usyk is big enough (and therefore his power is enough too) for the HW division.

[Mexi-Box]

He's also never seen the Povetkin/Klitschko fight. He's said nothing sane about that fight yet, and I've already exposed him.

[Ilya Muromets]

This thread is nonsense. I just recently reached the fight. I'm a big fan of the Klitschko's, but that fight was Wlad's most disgraceful fight. He started draping himself over Povetkin in round one. Watch the video for yourself. it's on youtube (unlike some others that they don't want you to see because of their monkey business that they want forgotten). Wlad should have been warned and then dq'd if he persisted.

"Charging in and bull rushing an opponent with one's head first, is totally against the rules of boxing. "

You're trying to make it sound like like Povetkin was acting crazy, but that wasn't at all the case. A much smaller man needs to close the distance. What do you expect him to do, stay outside and try to jab with a man with much longer arms, let alone a deadly jabber like Wlad!?

[candyslim]

Who is this new guy? Seems to just bash Povetkin. Bloody ell, this fight was ages ago.

He is a troll. At first, he stated that Povetkin is one of the most skilled and one of the best fighters in the world but he's just too small to compete vs super-heavyweights like Wlad or Joshua (he used the little mouse vs t-rex/behemoth analogy or something like that)

Now he says that:

-Gvozdyk arguably beats Povetkin

-Povetkin's record is no better than Chisora's

-Whyte brutally knocks out Povetkin

-Takam is a clown and he is the fighter of Jordan Shimmell's calibre

-Pulev easily jabs Povetkin's ears off

-Povetkin is a natural Light Heavyweight

-divisions in boxing should be based also on height, not only weight

-It's obvious that Chisora beats everyone who Povetkin had ever beat and it's almost sure that Povetkin loses to everyone who have beaten Chisora except of Kabayel (who, in his opinion, is a no-hoper against motivated Chisora anyway).

-Gassiev punches harder than Povetkin, no doubt

-Povetkin is too small for HW and thats why his punches are irrevelant in this division (he thought that Povetkin has virtually no chances to knock out David Price) but Usyk is big enough (and therefore his power is enough too) for the HW division.

Stone the crows Dagi, you really have been paying attention !

That idiot does not deserve the drain on your time, nor for his words to be read never mind remembered.

[dagilechia]

Who is this new guy? Seems to just bash Povetkin. Bloody ell, this fight was ages ago.

He is a troll. At first, he stated that Povetkin is one of the most skilled and one of the best fighters in the world but he's just too small to compete vs super-heavyweights like Wlad or Joshua (he used the little mouse vs t-rex/behemoth analogy or something like that)

Now he says that:

-Gvozdyk arguably beats Povetkin

-Povetkin's record is no better than Chisora's

-Whyte brutally knocks out Povetkin

-Takam is a clown and he is the fighter of Jordan Shimmell's calibre

-Pulev easily jabs Povetkin's ears off

-Povetkin is a natural Light Heavyweight

-divisions in boxing should be based also on height, not only weight

-It's obvious that Chisora beats everyone who Povetkin had ever beat and it's almost sure that Povetkin loses to everyone who have beaten Chisora except of Kabayel (who, in his opinion, is a no-hoper against motivated Chisora anyway).

-Gassiev punches harder than Povetkin, no doubt

-Povetkin is too small for HW and thats why his punches are irrevelant in this division (he thought that Povetkin has virtually no chances to knock out David Price) but Usyk is big enough (and therefore his power is enough too) for the HW division.

Stone the crows Dagi, you really have been paying attention !

That idiot does not deserve the drain on your time, nor for his words to be read never mind remembered.

You are so right. It was a traumatic experience. I need to forget about his ridiculous statements, but how? Maybe excessive drinking will help me in this case

[candyslim]

That's a great idea. Let's order a case each of Scotch and good Polish Vodka. Purely for medicinal purposes naturally.

[dagilechia]

[caldo2025]

Omg who the f cares!!!!! Will you Russian ball suckers go away please. Povetkin posts should be barred for extreme insignificance

[candyslim]

I fear Caldo that your torment is almost at an end. It's only Luis F trying to justify his absurd claims that this thread even got created. (that's F for Fernando not Fucktard in case you were wondering ... like rest of us )

[tiny_acres]

I fear Caldo that your torment is almost at an end. It's only Luis F trying to justify his absurd claims that this thread even got created. (that's F for Fernando not Fucktard in case you were wondering ... like rest of us )

thank you for clearing that up

[candyslim]

That's what it is officially anyway

[Luis Fernando12]

Who is this new guy? Seems to just bash Povetkin. Bloody ell, this fight was ages ago.

He is a troll. At first, he stated that Povetkin is one of the most skilled and one of the best fighters in the world but he's just too small to compete vs super-heavyweights like Wlad or Joshua (he used the little mouse vs t-rex/behemoth analogy or something like that)

Now he says that:

-Gvozdyk arguably beats Povetkin

-Povetkin's record is no better than Chisora's

-Whyte brutally knocks out Povetkin

-Takam is a clown and he is the fighter of Jordan Shimmell's calibre

-Pulev easily jabs Povetkin's ears off

-Povetkin is a natural Light Heavyweight

-divisions in boxing should be based also on height, not only weight

-It's obvious that Chisora beats everyone who Povetkin had ever beat and it's almost sure that Povetkin loses to everyone who have beaten Chisora except of Kabayel (who, in his opinion, is a no-hoper against motivated Chisora anyway).

-Gassiev punches harder than Povetkin, no doubt

-Povetkin is too small for HW and thats why his punches are irrevelant in this division (he thought that Povetkin has virtually no chances to knock out David Price) but Usyk is big enough (and therefore his power is enough too) for the HW division.

If Marco Huck is nearly beating Povetkin, then Gvozdyk has more than enough chances of doing so.

Whyte hurt Joshua with one punch (left hook), than Povetkin did with any of his multiple punches he landed on Joshua. Indicating Whyte's punching power > Povetkin's punching power.

Further more, Whyte recently just dropped a very durable Joseph Parker twice, whilst also putting an unbeaten Lucas Browne in a stretcher after knocking him out unconscious. What has Povetkin done recently, that was more impressive than those two feats? Exactly! Nothing!

What has Takam done, other than losing pretty much every time he's slightly stepped up in competition, that proves he is of a higher caliber than Jordan Shimmell?

Pulev absolutely jabs Povetkin's head / ears off. Pulev's jab is as good as prime Wladimir Klitschko's. Especially his power jab, which might be even better. And Povetkin has never proven he can deal with a jab of such a caliber.

Povetkin carries 20+ pounds of body fat / flabs. If he removes them, he at most, gets reduced to a natural cruiser weight, if not light heavyweight.

Even cruiser weight Oleksandr Usyk is bigger than Alexander Povetkin. If Usyk had anywhere near the amount of fat Povetkin carries, he'd weigh even more than Povetkin.

I was only referring to the heavyweight division, and not other weight divisions, when proposing the idea that boxers should be divided in height, if a new weight division isn't added to separate giant super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and the Klitshckos from relatively smaller midgets like Alexander Povetkin.

I never claimed Povetkin has no chances of knocking out Price. I thought he'd be unlikely, considering his age. Due to past heavyweights like Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield getting beat by far inferior opponents than David Price when they reached a similar age as what Povetkin was when he fought David Price. Holyfield and Tyson were losing to Danny Williams, Kevin McBride, blown up middleweight James Toney and Larry Donald/ So I was merely holding Povetkin to the same standard as them. Not sure what's so far fetched about that.

Usyk is not only bigger, but he is ASTRONOMICALLY more skilled than Povetkin, and has the more suitable style to deal with giant power punchers like Anthony Joshua, which involves angles, footwork, side steps and etc. Unlike Povetkin, who charges in head first like a retard and keeps getting clipped, begging to get knocked out. Analogous to a mouse fighting a T-REX, where the mouses charges in head first towards without any cares for its safety. Usyk doesn't fight like that. Povetkin does!

You're strawman fallacies are very poor!