Dillian Whyte has reacted to Wilder telling him to fight Ortiz to get WBC title shot

[Enlightened-One]

"Dillian Whyte has reacted to Wilder telling him to fight Ortiz to get WBC title shot"

Dillian Whyte insists Luis Ortiz turned down numerous offers following statement from Deontay Wilder.

Brixton heavyweight Dillian Whyte has dismissed Deontay Wilder's demand for him to earn a WBC title shot by fighting Luis Ortiz, insisting the Cuban powerhouse turned down an offer earlier this year.

The 30-year-old Brit is yet to receive an offer to fight the WBC king, despite working his way into the No.1 spot in the WBC rankings, with Dominic Breazeale superseding him after the WBC announced the American as the next mandatory bout for Wilder, who will make a voluntary defence against Tyson Fury on December 1 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.

Wilder told Whyte this week: "You fight Luis Ortiz, win that and I promise you, you have Deontay Wilder."

The Jamaican-born bruiser has maintained that 'King Kong' was not willing to face him in the summer after talks broke down due to the Cuban's unrealistic financial demands.

"In my last two fights, I fought two former world champions, yet Wilder says that I have to fight Ortiz to be second placed mandatory,"

"Who's Ortiz's best win? A dreadful points victory over Malik Scott? Who Chisora knocked out.

"I offered to fight Ortiz years ago, but he didn't want to know. He didn't even want to know this summer and asked for silly money coming off his knockout loss to Wilder.

"He made it clear that he wouldn't be ready for July 28, which was the date we had available. Funnily enough it didn't stop him fighting someone else that day.

"Wilder wants me to jump through more hoops that he dictates before I can fight him, yet he fought journeyman Jason Gavern immediately before he fought for the world title."

Fury and Wilder came to blows last night in an explosive LA press conference which was axed after the rivals lunged at each other, leaving Whyte far from impressed with their behaviour.

"It was pure pantomime with those clowns prancing around the stage kissing and hugging each other," he said.

"All that was missing was the crowd shouting 'he's behind you!' Even wrestling fans wouldn't buy that rubbish."

Whyte's promoter Eddie Hearn insists 'The Body Snatcher' still has a plethora of options ahead of a potential rematch with Chisora in December, and the WBO could also install the 30-year-old as mandatory challenger for Anthony Joshua's WBO belt.

"The WBO is next, so it's all down to what the WBO decide," Hearn told Sky Sports. "They are going to review it at their convention, which is right at the end of October.

"Dillian Whyte is probably the front runner right now for the WBO mandatory, and then after that it's IBF mandatory, which is the winner of Hughie Fury against Pulev. That's probably not going to come round until the end of 2019.

"Basically if you're not in a unification, which would be an undisputed fight, you will have to continuously fight your mandatories.

"Again, That will work well for us in terms of, if it's not Wilder on April 13, it will be a WBO mandatory, which could well be Dillian Whyte."

Thoughts?

[joshj909]

"Basically if you're not in a unification, which would be an undisputed fight, you will have to continuously fight your mandatories.

"Again, That will work well for us in terms of, if it's not Wilder on April 13, it will be a WBO mandatory, which could well be Dillian Whyte."[/i]

This is obvious and i actually like, it shows the the champ will have to only face the mandatories, and if unified, will be a succession of the best fights available, theoretically. If there is an elminator for this, i can see Whyte facing Jennings, Schwarz, or at worst Zhilei Zhang. But they might just call him as mandatory instead

"I offered to fight Ortiz years ago, but he didn't want to know. He didn't even want to know this summer and asked for silly money coming off his knockout loss to Wilder.

"He made it clear that he wouldn't be ready for July 28, which was the date we had available. Funnily enough it didn't stop him fighting someone else that day.

As much as i dislike the whole WBC-Whyte situation, this i have trouble believing. Eliminators come with a 50/50 split for the WBC (i think) and there was no purse bid, nor was Whyte given the option of fighting a boxer ranked just below for the eliminator (which would've happened if Ortiz refused). Sounds like Hearn wanted to make more money than he was allowed to and told Whyte it wasn't a viable option.

Also, the WBC haven't really bothered with this, no purse bid date has been called, no other option at the cost of either refusing, to me it was only their idea to keep Whyte busy and don't really care much about it.

[Enlightened-One]

"I offered to fight Ortiz years ago, but he didn't want to know. He didn't even want to know this summer and asked for silly money coming off his knockout loss to Wilder.

"He made it clear that he wouldn't be ready for July 28, which was the date we had available. Funnily enough it didn't stop him fighting someone else that day.

As much as i dislike the whole WBC-Whyte situation, this i have trouble believing.

... Sounds like Hearn wanted to make more money than he was allowed to and told Whyte it wasn't a viable option.

I personally believe that Eddie Hearn has at least made inquiries with the Ortiz camp to make a bout between the Cuban and Dillian Whyte.

Eddie Hearn definitely stated, during one of his interviews with iFL TV a few months ago, that Luis Ortiz wasn't available to face Dillian Whyte on the preferred Matchroom date.

That being said, the Brit ended up facing Joseph Parker instead on the aforementioned fight date, who was not only an opponent that was rated above Ortiz by The RING and ESPN, but the Kiwi was also a bigger draw (commercially).

I suspect you’re right, Eddie Hearn may have preferred the bigger revenue fight over the bout ordered by the WBC.

[joshj909]

[Enlightened-One]

It’s ironic that two Al Haymon fighters, Deontay Wilder and Luis Ortiz, have both claimed that they’d only consider facing Dillian Whyte if they received a guaranteed shot at Anthony Joshua next?

Do they not know that Dillian Whyte and Anthony Joshua are two different human beings working with completely different management teams/advisors, whilst also considered as being rivals, despite sharing the same promoter?

I cannot understand the logic they're using to justify their demands, because if both PBC guys consider Dillian Whyte as being easy prey, then why introduce an insurmountable and unreasonable stipulation, such as a mandatory guarantee to face Anthony Joshua next?

Are people seriously expecting Dillian Whyte to gain permission and agreement from AJ in order for 'The Body Snatcher' to commence negotiations with the likes of Wilder and Ortiz?

If any other fighter made the equivalent demands being made by Wilder and Ortiz, they’d be considered as being “ducks”!

It seems that the Alabama native and the Cuban are both fȕck¡ng stupid cµnts!

[joshj909]

"So listen here young man. There is a spot open on this Wilder-Fury card so why don’t you strap your nuts on and come face me so I can show you a good ass whooping son. If not please take my name out your mouth."

https://www.BS.com/luis-ortiz- ... -1--132449

Another stumbling block that they're probably both aware of while making these threats. Whyte won't make the money on that card, nor would Hearn want him fighting on an undercard of that event especially seeing as he wants Whyte fighting on his card in mid-December. Ortiz is also the standby for the Main event and won't want to lose that potential opportunity by taking the fight on the Matchroom card.

It seems that the Alabama native and the Cuban are both fȕck¡ng stupid cµnts!

Proof of this:

"Didn't anyone teach you to respect your elders son? You must be smoking some good shit to think you got anything for us and yeah I said us. That goes for me, Wilder or even (Jarrell) Miller. For a young guy you sure have a big mouth. Down here us boys in the South don't do a lot of talking. That’s for cowards so you and Joshua - if you want some come get some because down here in the good ol' USA we bring it. We don’t sing it," Ortiz told BS.com.

[Ruthless-RKO]

"So listen here young man. There is a spot open on this Wilder-Fury card so why don’t you strap your nuts on and come face me so I can show you a good ass whooping son. If not please take my name out your mouth."

https://www.BS.com/luis-ortiz- ... -1--132449

Another stumbling block that they're probably both aware of while making these threats. Whyte won't make the money on that card, nor would Hearn want him fighting on an undercard of that event especially seeing as he wants Whyte fighting on his card in mid-December. Ortiz is also the standby for the Main event and won't want to lose that potential opportunity by taking the fight on the Matchroom card.

It seems that the Alabama native and the Cuban are both fȕck¡ng stupid cµnts!

Proof of this:

"Didn't anyone teach you to respect your elders son? You must be smoking some good poo to think you got anything for us and yeah I said us. That goes for me, Wilder or even (Jarrell) Miller. For a young guy you sure have a big mouth. Down here us boys in the South don't do a lot of talking. That’s for cowards so you and Joshua - if you want some come get some because down here in the good ol' USA we bring it. We don’t sing it," Ortiz told BS.com.

It's been offered. Ball is in Whyte's court now? No doubt he'll go for Chisora though.

[joshj909]

It's been offered. Ball is in Whyte's court now? No doubt he'll go for Chisora though.

Technically yes, but a Whyte counter-offer is probably likely because a Whyte-Ortiz PPV in England will make them both alot more money than the undercard of Wilder-Fury. Then we'll start a merry-go-round of them making excuses as to why they can't fight on each other's card.

[Enlightened-One]

It's been offered. Ball is in Whyte's court now? No doubt he'll go for Chisora though.

Technically yes, but a Whyte counter-offer is probably likely because a Whyte-Ortiz PPV in England will make them both alot more money than the undercard of Wilder-Fury. Then we'll start a merry-go-round of them making excuses as to why they can't fight on each other's card.

A tweet from Luis Ortiz does not constitute an “offer”. No one from the Cuban’s camp have attempted to establish contract negotiations with Dillian Whyte or any of his representatives.

Eddie Hearn isn’t involved in the promotion of the Wilder-Fury fight card, so what exactly is the type of response are they expecting from the Brits’ camp in regards to the Cuban’s Tweet to face him on the 1st December?

It’s well-known that the Whyte-Chisora rematch is already scheduled for the 22nd December, which will be a PPV event co-headlined by Frampton-Warrington?

So why did Luis Ortiz publish that fȕck¡ng monumentally stupid Tweet even though he knew that Whyte is already tied-up elsewhere?

What a fȕck¡ng moron that Cuban is!

[Ruthless-RKO]

It's been offered. Ball is in Whyte's court now? No doubt he'll go for Chisora though.

Technically yes, but a Whyte counter-offer is probably likely because a Whyte-Ortiz PPV in England will make them both alot more money than the undercard of Wilder-Fury. Then we'll start a merry-go-round of them making excuses as to why they can't fight on each other's card.

It’s well-known that the Whyte-Chisora rematch is already scheduled for the 22nd December, which will be a PPV event co-headlined by Frampton-Warrington?

Fish Eyes reckons Whyte-Chisora doesn't happen, because he reckons it's fixed in that Joshua will fight Whyte in April and he won't want Chisora ruining it. That's just his opinion

[joshj909]

A tweet from Luis Ortiz does not constitute an “offer”. No one from the Cuban’s camp have attempted to establish contract negotiations with Dillian Whyte or any of his representatives.

Eddie Hearn isn’t involved in the promotion of the Wilder-Fury fight card, so what exactly is the type of response are they expecting from the Brits’ camp in regards to the Cuban’s Tweet to face him on the 1st December?

It’s well-known that the Whyte-Chisora rematch is already scheduled for the 22nd December, which will be a PPV event co-headlined by Frampton-Warrington?

So why did Luis Ortiz publish that fȕck¡ng monumentally stupid Tweet even though he knew that Whyte is already tied-up elsewhere?

What a fȕck¡ng moron that Cuban is!

That's a Warren event

[sharpei_louis]

Seems odd that Ortiz has as much of a shot at the WBC as Whyte, when Whyte has been too ranked and beating people desperately trying to get a shot, and Ortiz already had one!

Whyte clearly too dangerous for Wilder.

[Enlightened-One]

A tweet from Luis Ortiz does not constitute an “offer”. No one from the Cuban’s camp have attempted to establish contract negotiations with Dillian Whyte or any of his representatives.

Eddie Hearn isn’t involved in the promotion of the Wilder-Fury fight card, so what exactly is the type of response are they expecting from the Brits’ camp in regards to the Cuban’s Tweet to face him on the 1st December?

It’s well-known that the Whyte-Chisora rematch is already scheduled for the 22nd December, which will be a PPV event co-headlined by Frampton-Warrington?

So why did Luis Ortiz publish that fȕck¡ng monumentally stupid Tweet even though he knew that Whyte is already tied-up elsewhere?

What a fȕck¡ng moron that Cuban is!

That's a Warren event

Yep, you're right - my bad! Both fights are taking place on the same night - different venue (according to Hearn).

The main point I was making remains perfectly valid though.

[joshj909]

Yep, you're right - my bad! Both fights are taking place on the same night - different venue. (according to Hearn).

The main point I was making remains perfectly valid though.

Yeah, i just think he's completely unaware of what's going on in the division outside of the US, which has fallen behind other areas of the world in terms of talent, competition and money at the moment.

[dickbelden]

https://www.BS.com/warren-wild ... xt--132451

[joshj909]

So it begins....

[candyslim]

What about fighting Breazeale ? That should be an easy task as well for him right? Beïng the best guy out there ranked by the WBC.

I'm quite sure Whyte would be perfectly happy to fight Breazeale (or Ortiz) if that meant he would be guaranteed Wilder's next mandatory, instead of the one after next (i.e. some time in 2020) which was the prize on offer had he fought Ortiz instead of Parker. He shouldn't need to. Hehas already earned his number one ranking and ought to be the WBC mandatory if they followed their own rules.

Sulaiman hasn't even called the first mandatory yet, and bearing in mind Wilder's only faced one mandatory in the best part of four years, you can probably understand why Whyte isn't getting over-excited about it. Even if he were to fight and beat Breazeale there's no guarantee Whyte assumes his place in the queue, he probably then has to face Ortiz in a final eliminator. Either that or they just give it to Ortiz if Whyte beats Breazeale, or keep Breazeale if Whyte beats Ortiz with Whyte second in line as per previous.

I don't really understand it but it seems to me Haymon has decided that Whyte is the boogie-man, and he won't allow his minnion Sulaiman, to nominate Whyte as mandatory no matter how corrupt not doing so makes the WBC look. I think Haymon is determined that his boy will never have to face Whyte. Anybody might get the impression that Dillian Whyte was the greatest fighter of his generation, the way team-Wilder are ducking him.

There can be no doubt that he has earned the right to fight Willder before Breazeale and certainly before Ortiz who already got his shot little more than six months ago.

There is no appetite among boxing fans, even boxing fans in the UK, to see him fight Joshua again. Now if that were a unification fight, it's a different story completely .

[Nondescript]

It's been offered. Ball is in Whyte's court now? No doubt he'll go for Chisora though.

Technically yes, but a Whyte counter-offer is probably likely because a Whyte-Ortiz PPV in England will make them both alot more money than the undercard of Wilder-Fury. Then we'll start a merry-go-round of them making excuses as to why they can't fight on each other's card.

A tweet from Luis Ortiz does not constitute an “offer”. No one from the Cuban’s camp have attempted to establish contract negotiations with Dillian Whyte or any of his representatives.

Eddie Hearn isn’t involved in the promotion of the Wilder-Fury fight card, so what exactly is the type of response are they expecting from the Brits’ camp in regards to the Cuban’s Tweet to face him on the 1st December?

It’s well-known that the Whyte-Chisora rematch is already scheduled for the 22nd December, which will be a PPV event co-headlined by Frampton-Warrington?

So why did Luis Ortiz publish that fȕck¡ng monumentally stupid Tweet even though he knew that Whyte is already tied-up elsewhere?

What a fȕck¡ng moron that Cuban is!

With all due respect, how could you possibly know that? Do you work for either boxers representatives?

[Enlightened-One]

Technically yes, but a Whyte counter-offer is probably likely because a Whyte-Ortiz PPV in England will make them both alot more money than the undercard of Wilder-Fury. Then we'll start a merry-go-round of them making excuses as to why they can't fight on each other's card.

A tweet from Luis Ortiz does not constitute an “offer”. No one from the Cuban’s camp have attempted to establish contract negotiations with Dillian Whyte or any of his representatives.

Eddie Hearn isn’t involved in the promotion of the Wilder-Fury fight card, so what exactly is the type of response are they expecting from the Brits’ camp in regards to the Cuban’s Tweet to face him on the 1st December?

It’s well-known that the Whyte-Chisora rematch is already scheduled for the 22nd December, which will be a PPV event co-headlined by Frampton-Warrington?

So why did Luis Ortiz publish that fȕck¡ng monumentally stupid Tweet even though he knew that Whyte is already tied-up elsewhere?

What a fȕck¡ng moron that Cuban is!

With all due respect, how could you possibly know that? Do you work for either boxers representatives?

No one has contacted Dillian Whyte's camp to attempt to make a bout with Luis Ortiz. This has been confirmed by both Dillian Whyte himself and Eddie Hearn.

A tweet is not an offer! FFS!

Even Luis Ortiz will openly concede that no one from his camp has submitted a financial offer to Dillian Whyte for a fight.

"With all due respect" prove me wrong. It should be easy to prove that Otiz's camp has submitted an offer to Dillian Whyte's representative's.

[Nondescript]

A tweet from Luis Ortiz does not constitute an “offer”. No one from the Cuban’s camp have attempted to establish contract negotiations with Dillian Whyte or any of his representatives.

Eddie Hearn isn’t involved in the promotion of the Wilder-Fury fight card, so what exactly is the type of response are they expecting from the Brits’ camp in regards to the Cuban’s Tweet to face him on the 1st December?

It’s well-known that the Whyte-Chisora rematch is already scheduled for the 22nd December, which will be a PPV event co-headlined by Frampton-Warrington?

So why did Luis Ortiz publish that fȕck¡ng monumentally stupid Tweet even though he knew that Whyte is already tied-up elsewhere?

What a fȕck¡ng moron that Cuban is!

With all due respect, how could you possibly know that? Do you work for either boxers representatives?

No one has contacted Dillian Whyte's camp to attempt to make a bout with Luis Ortiz. This has been confirmed by both Dillian Whyte himself and Eddie Hearn.

A tweet is not an offer! FFS!

Even Luis Ortiz will openly concede that no one from his camp has submitted a financial offer to Dillian Whyte for a fight.

"With all due respect" prove me wrong. It should be easy to prove that Otiz's camp has submitted an offer to Dillian Whyte's representative's.

That's not really a balanced perspective though is it. There's two sides to every story. You can't take the words of one side as gospel.

[tiny_acres]

With all due respect, how could you possibly know that? Do you work for either boxers representatives?

No one has contacted Dillian Whyte's camp to attempt to make a bout with Luis Ortiz. This has been confirmed by both Dillian Whyte himself and Eddie Hearn.

A tweet is not an offer! FFS!

Even Luis Ortiz will openly concede that no one from his camp has submitted a financial offer to Dillian Whyte for a fight.

"With all due respect" prove me wrong. It should be easy to prove that Otiz's camp has submitted an offer to Dillian Whyte's representative's.

That's not really a balanced perspective though is it. There's two sides to every story. You can't take the words of one side as gospel.

Sure he can take one side as gospel.
People on here do it all of the time.
It makes them look foolish but nearly everyone on here does it daily

[Nondescript]

No one has contacted Dillian Whyte's camp to attempt to make a bout with Luis Ortiz. This has been confirmed by both Dillian Whyte himself and Eddie Hearn.

A tweet is not an offer! FFS!

Even Luis Ortiz will openly concede that no one from his camp has submitted a financial offer to Dillian Whyte for a fight.

"With all due respect" prove me wrong. It should be easy to prove that Otiz's camp has submitted an offer to Dillian Whyte's representative's.

That's not really a balanced perspective though is it. There's two sides to every story. You can't take the words of one side as gospel.

Sure he can take one side as gospel.
People on here do it all of the time.
It makes them look foolish but nearly everyone on here does it daily

Fair point

[tiny_acres]

That's not really a balanced perspective though is it. There's two sides to every story. You can't take the words of one side as gospel.

Sure he can take one side as gospel.
People on here do it all of the time.
It makes them look foolish but nearly everyone on here does it daily

Fair point

Sorry if I sounded rude. I just find it funny.
Everyone has there twisted opinion and nothing can change it.

[Nondescript]

Sure he can take one side as gospel.
People on here do it all of the time.
It makes them look foolish but nearly everyone on here does it daily

Fair point

Sorry if I sounded rude. I just find it funny.
Everyone has there twisted opinion and nothing can change it.

I didn't take it offensively! It's a valid point in fairness. Confirmation bias and all that jazz.

[Enlightened-One]

That's not really a balanced perspective though is it. There's two sides to every story. You can't take the words of one side as gospel.

Sure he can take one side as gospel.
People on here do it all of the time.
It makes them look foolish but nearly everyone on here does it daily

Fair point

Fellas, you're missing the main point here, which is... NO ONE FROM LUIS ORTIZ'S CAMP HAS SUBMITTED A FINANCIAL OFFER TO DILLIAN WHYTE FOR A FIGHT!

You're both more than welcome to criticise me on a personal level as much as you want, but NEITHER of you will be able to disprove that ONE SIMPLE FACT!

If I really am "foolish", then it should be easy to prove me wrong, shouldn't it? Let's see what you're both capable of?