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KiwiRider
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Canelo at SMW

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If Canelo does decide to stay at SMW after the Fielding fight, what is out there for him- both in fan friendly fights, money makers, and baubles?
How does he go against the very tall guys like Zurdo, Smith, Groves, and Hart?
Or against the heavy handed guys, including a few of the guys mentioned above?

To me, SMW is way more stacked than MW, not just in talent, but size and power. Canelo has a proven chin at MW, will that hold up?
Thoughts :maybe:
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KiwiRider wrote: 05 Oct 2018, 18:22 If Canelo does decide to stay at SMW after the Fielding fight, what is out there for him- both in fan friendly fights, money makers, and baubles?
How does he go against the very tall guys like Zurdo, Smith, Groves, and Hart?
Or against the heavy handed guys, including a few of the guys mentioned above?

To me, SMW is way more stacked than MW, not just in talent, but size and power. Canelo has a proven chin at MW, will that hold up?
Thoughts :maybe:
He’ll move back down. Eventually wilo move up fulltime.

He’ll become a ‘regular’ 3-weight world champion.
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I'm leaning towards him having this fight at 168, maybe testing the waters sightly then dropping back down to 160 with a view to going back up in 2/3 years time. People talk about him struggling to make middleweight but I'm not sure I believe that. Thought he looked fine on the scales in both Golovkin fights and the 164 catchweight against JCC Jr was probably more because Chavez couldn't make 160 and Canelo didn't want to be jumping up 2 weights.
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He’ll move back down. Eventually wilo move up fulltime.

He’ll become a ‘regular’ 3-weight world champion.
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I don't know about moving back down. I hope not. The possibilities at SMW intrigue me more than what's left for him at MW.
Plus he is now in his late 20's. That age is often when guys move up because the weight loss rigmaroles become too punishing.
Without having to drain so much to make MW, he could gain a lot more stamina and be a real force. I just don't know how he would go against the really tall SMW's. Floyd really used his reach against Canelo, and while there isn't anyone of that talent around, there are guys who have a ton of reach and height over him at SMW.
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i guess he would be a force. he is very compact and durable, skilled, fast. is used to elite competition.
he might be too small and be decisioned by a callum smith, but he wouldnt be blown out.
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If making weight is a struggle then fair enough, but I'd like to see him fight Jacobs, Saunders, and Charlo rather than leave a lot of unfinished business. Still, there should be some great matches to be made at 160 irrespective of his plan.

Of course what I'd really like to see is GGG III at a neutral venue. Fat chance !

None of those I'm thinking about include LeMiieux or is his humiliation at the hands of Saunders purged from the memory in the light of VADA's allegations?
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well p4p i think hes prob better then anyone at smw, but at that weight he could start get into some significant length and size disparities, like vs a guy such as callum smith at 6'3/78, and some other guys like zurdo, benavidez, and anthony dirrel around 6'2/75 and natural smws. fieldings around that size but prob not good enough to really make it any sort of issue.

would be interesting

i remember watching footage of him and zurdo sparring some years ago
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He will have less competition in SMW. And less big money opportunities. I think, he won't stay there. Fielding fight is a kinda fight off before something big. A fight against an easier opponent and with an easier weight cut. Maybe I'm wrong and next Canelo will face, for example, Smith, but I believe, GGG #3 is more likely to happen.
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candyslim wrote: 06 Oct 2018, 01:18 If making weight is a struggle then fair enough, but I'd like to see him fight Jacobs, Saunders, and Charlo rather than leave a lot of unfinished business. Still, there should be some great matches to be made at 160 irrespective of his plan.

Of course what I'd really like to see is GGG III at a neutral venue. Fat chance !

None of those I'm thinking about include LeMiieux or is his humiliation at the hands of Saunders purged from the memory in the light of VADA's allegations?
Every middleweight can follow Canelo up the scale so all those fights are still possibilities.
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They can but there's a big difference between 'can' and 'will'. No matter. There are excellent matches to be made at middleweight even if Canelo has left the division behind (which of course we don't know)

Better stilll, matches between Saunders, Jacobs, Charlo and Golovkin probably won't have a predetermined result, so every cloud, eh?
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Never in his whole career will he get"decisioned" fighting in vegas, mw or smw. He's too good to make it a"close enough" (means he has just to win 2-3 rounds)for once and too "udderly" swollen a milky cashcow. He may get knocked out but they won't let him get "decisioned" by anyone.
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Oi ! Pack it in. I do the crap jokes around here :D
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I really like the guy ( absolutely despise fornicating dela hoya/golden boy) in my opinion he should and will stay at middleweight, after fornicating over golovkin a third time. there are plenty of defenses against fighters that will give him a tough enough night. Plenty of money to make with every single defense (jacobs, charlo, lemieux, murata, sulecki etc.). In vegas he always will get the fornicating decision, deservingly or not. Then in 2 years i hope for once we will see him leave his safe home turf (cause they will drown him in money)... and the new undisputed middleweight champion of the world...Billy Joe Saunders. Won't happen, he stays where all he has to do is stay on his feet.
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Canelo won't stay at super middle.

Just as soon as Canelo wins it, he'll hand the belt back to the WBA.

He's only about 5'8". While he may eventually become a bona fide SMW, but that's a few years down the line.

He's still not a solid middleweight. Just getting his feet wet.
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SenorPipino wrote: 08 Oct 2018, 18:20 Canelo won't stay at super middle.

Just as soon as Canelo wins it, he'll hand the belt back to the WBA.

He's only about 5'8". While he may eventually become a bona fide SMW, but that's a few years down the line.

He's still not a solid middleweight. Just getting his feet wet.
How can you say he's not a solid middleweight? He carrys the weight well and obviously struggled to cut weight
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adislav123 wrote: 06 Oct 2018, 11:20 Never in his whole career will he get"decisioned" fighting in vegas, mw or smw. He's too good to make it a"close enough" (means he has just to win 2-3 rounds)for once and too "udderly" swollen a milky cashcow. He may get knocked out but they won't let him get "decisioned" by anyone.
Who do you think can KO Canelo at middleweight?
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I think should ggg-canelo 3 happen within in the next year, golovkin will finally put him away. Out of pure pent up anger that they fucked him over twice.
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Who cares Golden Boy are scamming the public again Callum Smith is the real WBA Super Middleweight Champion he knocked out George Groves who was the Legit Champ :roll: well Smith was the Champ the last time I looked and he already stopped fielding in one round nearly 3 year's ago I certainly won't be watching :witzend: :witzend: :witzend: :witzend:
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tiny_acres wrote: 08 Oct 2018, 19:59
SenorPipino wrote: 08 Oct 2018, 18:20 Canelo won't stay at super middle.

Just as soon as Canelo wins it, he'll hand the belt back to the WBA.

He's only about 5'8". While he may eventually become a bona fide SMW, but that's a few years down the line.

He's still not a solid middleweight. Just getting his feet wet.
How can you say he's not a solid middleweight? He carrys the weight well and obviously struggled to cut weight
Obviously he wants to inflate Canelos achievements and keep in reserve an excuse if he ever struggles, the poor undersized Canelamb
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Going into the ring with 180 but still not considered a proper 160 fighter... ridiculous. Period.
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adislav123 wrote: 11 Oct 2018, 09:44 Going into the ring with 180 but still not considered a proper 160 fighter... ridiculous. Period.
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adislav123 wrote: 11 Oct 2018, 09:44 Going into the ring with 180 but still not considered a proper 160 fighter... ridiculous. Period.
It’s less about the physical size of Canelo himself, but rather acclimatising to a new weight division and becoming accustomed to facing larger opponents (i.e. taller, heavier, more robust, bigger puncher etc.).
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Enlightened-One wrote: 11 Oct 2018, 10:05
adislav123 wrote: 11 Oct 2018, 09:44 Going into the ring with 180 but still not considered a proper 160 fighter... ridiculous. Period.
It’s less about the physical size of Canelo himself, but rather acclimatising to a new weight division and becoming accustomed to facing larger opponents (i.e. taller, heavier, more robust, bigger puncher etc.).
actually, from the rather facile perspective of pipino (to which adislav referred), it's apparently about:

Postby SenorPipino » 08 Oct 2018, 18:20 .

He's only about 5'8".

He's still not a solid middleweight.


IE, excuse-making before the fact and/or building up canelo's achievements to be greater than they are by implying he isn't even a fully-fledged middleweight (yes, at around 180lbs not a full middleweight :lol: ), never mind a super-middleweight

so if Canelo wins at 168 'OMG and he isn't even a solid middleweight never mind 168lbs', and if he loses, the reverse. which as adislav rightly points out is deficient and bankrupt logic.
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Wierd move imo. 160 seems a good weight for Canelo. I'm not sure I'd pick anyone at MW to beat him. Hurd stepping up coukd be interesting.

At 168, Canelo is exposed to just getting jabbed by rangier guys. I think the Fielding fight is a Banana skin & would make Canelo underdog vs Smith.
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