WBSS Cruiserweight (1/4 Final): Yunier Dorticos vs Mateusz Masternak - October 20, 2018

[dagilechia]

This fight will happen in Orlando, FL.

Masternak is underrated, we will see if Dorticos is the same fighter after the KO. Master recently scored a dominant win over Kalenga, sparred with Usyk.

Dorticos is a favourite but this fight is about as close as Glowacki vs Vlasov

[Ruthless-RKO]

True test for Master. Should be a good scrap

[dagilechia]

Masternak trained with the best trainer in Poland, Andrzej Gmitruk, the trainer of Sulecki, Szpilka, Ugonoh, ex trainer of Adamek and Wach, with whom Master won the EBU title but then he moved to Sauerland and it was the worst choice of his career. He was again with Gmitruk since Sillakh fight, in Kalenga fight we have seen a big progress, a really sharp and prime Masternak. Unfortunately, Gmitruk left him before the Dorticos fight due to TV stations conflict (Gmitruk trains fighters that fight for TVP station and he is also an expert and commentator there while Masternak fights for a tv station called Polsat). I think it makes Master's chances to win a bit smaller because Gmitruk does fantastic job in the corner, but his current trainer, Zygmunt Gosiewski, is also nice but he is rather an olympic boxing trainer.

Anyway, imo Masternak is the no 1 in Polish CW at the moment, and he is a nice and smart guy.

[DrDuke]

Can be competetive, but I guess, Dorticos will KO him eventually.

[Heretic]

Good match. This could have been the finals...

Cruiser is loaded with talent

[dagilechia]

Yeah thats true i think that only MW division is more competetive

[Boxing Writer]

Masternak trained with the best trainer in Poland, Andrzej Gmitruk, the trainer of Sulecki, Szpilka, Ugonoh, ex trainer of Adamek and Wach, with whom Master won the EBU title but then he moved to Sauerland and it was the worst choice of his career. He was again with Gmitruk since Sillakh fight, in Kalenga fight we have seen a big progress, a really sharp and prime Masternak. Unfortunately, Gmitruk left him before the Dorticos fight due to TV stations conflict (Gmitruk trains fighters that fight for TVP station and he is also an expert and commentator there while Masternak fights for a tv station called Polsat). I think it makes Master's chances to win a bit smaller because Gmitruk does fantastic job in the corner, but his current trainer, Zygmunt Gosiewski, is also nice but he is rather an olympic boxing trainer.

Anyway, imo Masternak is the no 1 in Polish CW at the moment, and he is a nice and smart guy.

I sill wonder why the hell Mariuzs Wach left Gmitruk? De Leon was pretty strange choice, but this guy who train him in the recent years is even worse. He is just his buddy, not a real trainer.

[dagilechia]

Masternak trained with the best trainer in Poland, Andrzej Gmitruk, the trainer of Sulecki, Szpilka, Ugonoh, ex trainer of Adamek and Wach, with whom Master won the EBU title but then he moved to Sauerland and it was the worst choice of his career. He was again with Gmitruk since Sillakh fight, in Kalenga fight we have seen a big progress, a really sharp and prime Masternak. Unfortunately, Gmitruk left him before the Dorticos fight due to TV stations conflict (Gmitruk trains fighters that fight for TVP station and he is also an expert and commentator there while Masternak fights for a tv station called Polsat). I think it makes Master's chances to win a bit smaller because Gmitruk does fantastic job in the corner, but his current trainer, Zygmunt Gosiewski, is also nice but he is rather an olympic boxing trainer.

Anyway, imo Masternak is the no 1 in Polish CW at the moment, and he is a nice and smart guy.

I sill wonder why the hell Mariuzs Wach left Gmitruk? De Leon was pretty strange choice, but this guy who train him in the recent years is even worse. He is just his buddy, not a real trainer.

Wach left Gmitruk because, in Wach's opinion, Gmitruk had not enough time for him because he was too busy with Adamek and other fighters. It was late 2009. It is said that Gmitruk fears of plane fights and that was one of the reasons he stopped to train Adamek, im not sure how true it is. Now he has a very ill wife so he can train only limited number of fighters. Now he trains Szpilka, Ugonoh, Sulecki and undefeated SWW/MW prospect Szymanski.

The guy he trains with is Piotr Wilczewski, ex-boxer. Actually Master trained with him too for some time, it was bad for him, he was so stiff in the ring. Wilczewski is good for young fighters not for the top pros. He is still a young trainer though, he's still learning. He also trained FW prospect Kamil Łaszczyk, completely wasted talent by health problems (anemia), injuries, promotional conflicts and bad choices like training with Wilczewski. In past he defeated current champion Tevin Farmer.

Wilczewski will be in Masternak's corner vs Dorticos too, but his main trainer in the gym and in the corner now is Zygmunt Gosiewski. So Wilczewski is in Masternak's team, he is taping Masters hands too, Mateusz says he is good at it.

Wach trains with Wilczewski at Global Boxing Gym in a small town called Dzierżoniów, which is also Wliczewski's hometown. Gosiewski's gym is a different gym in a different city but both these cities are close to each other.

Gosiewski is ex amateur boxer, 1981 European bronze medalist at MW, 1980 he participated at Olympics (lost in the first round to the eventual winner from Cuba). Gosiewski is better known as amateur boxing trainer, he was part of Masternak team multiple times in past (Gosiewski's gym is in Wrocław, a city where Masternak lives), Masternak trained for his last fight with Gmitruk but Gosiewski was in his corner because Gmitruk was in the USA at Sulecki Jacobs fight.

[Boxing Writer]

Masternak trained with the best trainer in Poland, Andrzej Gmitruk, the trainer of Sulecki, Szpilka, Ugonoh, ex trainer of Adamek and Wach, with whom Master won the EBU title but then he moved to Sauerland and it was the worst choice of his career. He was again with Gmitruk since Sillakh fight, in Kalenga fight we have seen a big progress, a really sharp and prime Masternak. Unfortunately, Gmitruk left him before the Dorticos fight due to TV stations conflict (Gmitruk trains fighters that fight for TVP station and he is also an expert and commentator there while Masternak fights for a tv station called Polsat). I think it makes Master's chances to win a bit smaller because Gmitruk does fantastic job in the corner, but his current trainer, Zygmunt Gosiewski, is also nice but he is rather an olympic boxing trainer.

Anyway, imo Masternak is the no 1 in Polish CW at the moment, and he is a nice and smart guy.

I sill wonder why the hell Mariuzs Wach left Gmitruk? De Leon was pretty strange choice, but this guy who train him in the recent years is even worse. He is just his buddy, not a real trainer.

Wach left Gmitruk because, in Wach's opinion, Gmitruk had not enough time for him because he was too busy with Adamek and other fighters. It was late 2009. It is said that Gmitruk fears of plane fights and that was one of the reasons he stopped to train Adamek, im not sure how true it is. Now he has a very ill wife so he can train only limited number of fighters. Now he trains Szpilka, Ugonoh, Sulecki and undefeated SWW/MW prospect Szymanski.

The guy he trains with is Piotr Wilczewski, ex-boxer. Actually Master trained with him too for some time, it was bad for him, he was so stiff in the ring. Wilczewski is good for young fighters not for the top pros. He is still a young trainer though, he's still learning. He also trained FW prospect Kamil Łaszczyk, completely wasted talent by health problems (anemia), injuries, promotional conflicts and bad choices like training with Wilczewski. In past he defeated current champion Tevin Farmer.

Wilczewski will be in Masternak's corner vs Dorticos too, but his main trainer in the gym and in the corner now is Zygmunt Gosiewski. So Wilczewski is in Masternak's team, he is taping Masters hands too, Mateusz says he is good at it.

Wach trains with Wilczewski at Global Boxing Gym in a small town called Dzierżoniów, which is also Wliczewski's hometown. Gosiewski's gym is a different gym in a different city but both these cities are close to each other.

Gosiewski is ex amateur boxer, 1981 European bronze medalist at MW, 1980 he participated at Olympics (lost in the first round to the eventual winner from Cuba). Gosiewski is better known as amateur boxing trainer, he was part of Masternak team multiple times in past (Gosiewski's gym is in Wrocław, a city where Masternak lives), Masternak trained for his last fight with Gmitruk but Gosiewski was in his corner because Gmitruk was in the USA at Sulecki Jacobs fight.

[TempleSlave]

Too bad Gmitruk won’t be with Masternak for this fight. I like both guys and Gmitruk is arguably the best boxing coach in Poland. As for the fight, I think a lot of the outcome depends on how Masternak reacts when he gets hit with something heavy, whether he’ll be able to stick to his game plan.

[dagilechia]

Yes i think that Gmitruk is the best trainer in Poland. At some point, i thought that Fiodor Łapin (who is actually Russian but lives in Poland +20 years) is about as good as Gmitruk, especially after his fighter Głowacki won the title, Szpilka left Łapin and started to train with Shields and showed little if any improvement. But now i think that Gmitruk is by far the best, everyone he works with shows improvement, his work in Sulecki's corner vs Jacobs was outstanding (and the work at the gym too).

Masternak is a very experienced fighter, and very smart, i hope that the lack of Gmitruk wouldnt affect him much, Masternak is i think at the point where he doesnt need a trainer as much because he knows well himseld what to do. Master would be a good trainer in future i think.

From what i have seen Gosiewski is a good trainer. Maybe it's better to have Gosiewski who gives 100% for Masternak than Gmitruk who is busy with other fighters/tv work. But i think the truth is that he left Masternak only because of tv stations conflicts. He has time to train with 1-0 female boxer Raszewska, it makes no sense at all.

[adislav123]

Dorticos clearly on points if they don't fornicate him over (literally always an option nowadays....so tired of that shit). Masternak seems a bit clumsy defensively, tough he can hit. Dorticos who hits like a mule, to good on his feet for him, guess he wears him down in the championship rounds. But if they stand and slug it out one never knows who goes.

[Blodhemn]

Dorticos by KO unless the Gassiev fight ruined him.

[jamamb]

id go with dort but i really dont see when hes ever shown himself to be as good as so many think

[dagilechia]

I disagree that Dorticos' footwork is too much for Masternak i actually think that Masternak's footwork is better. Footwork is Masternak's main advantage in this fight.

[Heretic]

I disagree that Dorticos' footwork is too much for Masternak i actually think that Masternak's footwork is better. Footwork is Masternak's main advantage in this fight.

Yeah I agree.

Thou Dorticos might be too powerful for him...

[dagilechia]

I disagree that Dorticos' footwork is too much for Masternak i actually think that Masternak's footwork is better. Footwork is Masternak's main advantage in this fight.

Yeah I agree.

Thou Dorticos might be too powerful for him...

We will see, Dorticos is a favourite of course. But Masternak has a proved chin and most of people underestimate him, of course, he lost most of his important fights but now he seems better than ever. Also, he arguably gave Bellew the hardest/most competetive fight since Bellew moved to CW. I had it 115-113 for Bellew, as far as i remember judges had it 115-113 too. Masternak looked very good in his last fight, easily won every round vs Kalenga and made him retire after 6 rounds. This fight imo is almost as close as Glowacki vs Vlasov, i am surprised that everyone (except of me) voted on Dorticos in the poll. Of course, Dorticos is a favourite but he comes after a quite devastating KO loss and Masternak has some advantages too like footwork and technical skills. He was very competetive in every fight he lost, vs Drozd too altrough he lost & and was stopped (but early injury made its work too). 60-40 type of fight. Dorticos has only Kalenga and chinny & technically raw Kudryashov in his resume.

[TempleSlave]

I disagree that Dorticos' footwork is too much for Masternak i actually think that Masternak's footwork is better. Footwork is Masternak's main advantage in this fight.

Dorticos’ footwork is definitely not one of his advantages. If it was any good, he probably would’ve used it vs Gassiev instead of standing in front of the Russian and eating bombs. Power is the key advantage that we’ll likely to see vs Masternak and it can be neutralised.

[adislav123]

Dorticos vs. Gassiev was a war on even terms until he got caught on the tip of his chin with a glancing blow, he thought he had covered but slipped through. His attention was already on the counter. It's like getting sucker punched.

Not a man on earth could have eaten that particular punch. Not an indicatior of a suspect chin whatsoever (did somebody even imply that or am i babbling to myself again?)

Concerning their footwork i still think dorticos is the naturally more fluid mover AND boxer, maybe just nicer to the eye, masternaks footsies get the job done too.

No disrespecting masternak (or the ones which consider his footwork superior) at all.

i called him "defensively clumsy" which was an uneducated use of that phrase, after i picked it up somewhere, thought it sounds cool. i meant just that, less fluid, more measured approach to the game.

he has a good jab behind those little steps he takes but still under pressure his retreats, evasive movements seem to lack a bit control, seem a bit ... rushed, a bit "defensively clumsy".

No seriously, Master is a dangerous fighter who'll give dorticos a tough night, still i think the cuban will come out on top.

[jamamb]

dorticos vs gassiev wasnt a war, dort landed far too few clean punches, he just walked forward throwing looping shots that mostly missed

he gave it a go but was outdefensed and outaccuracied by a guy whose not really a 'boxer' type . .gass actually troubled him with movement too

dort was pretty well neutralized i thought, dont know if masternak can do the same though

[jamamb]

kalenga vs dort was a war though, nice heart by both and good down on the cards stoppage from dort when he was starting to look really weary

[Ruthless-RKO]

dorticos vs gassiev wasnt a war, dort landed far too few clean punches, he just walked forward throwing looping shots that mostly missed

I agree. Fight get’s too much credit. It’s the last round what made the fight. Had it just gone to scorecards and Gassiev won wide, it wouldn’t have been as memorable.

[jamamb]

ya i agree

was a good fight but a bit overrated. dort was pretty well neutralized i thought and before that 12th round there werent really many notable moments or good exchanges, only dort being wobelled a few times.

[jamamb]

anyone else notice that dort is now called yuniel on boxrec instead of yunier

the spelling of east euro names seems to get changed a bit too, like sergey/serhei/sergei has changed for a lot of boxers

and i remember richard abril simply got changed to richar

[dagilechia]

anyone else notice that dort is now called yuniel on boxrec instead of yunier

the spelling of east euro names seems to get changed a bit too, like sergey/serhei/sergei has changed for a lot of boxers

and i remember richard abril simply got changed to richar

The eastern euro names change because of different transliteration. For example if a fighter is named Sergey and lets say he can represent both Russia Ukraine and Belarus then:
-transliteration from Russian would be "Sergey" or "Sergei"
-from Ukrainian it's "Serhiy"
-from Belarussian it's "Siarhei"

Usyk is good example. If you use Russian version he is Alexander or Aleksandr but if you use Ukrainian version he is Oleksandr.

Also, different countries - different transliterations: For Example Sergey Kovalev in Poland is Siergiej Kowaliow (btw english transliteration of his name is very wrong, it should be Sergey Kovalyov, in Russian it's Серге́й Ковалёв, probably Americans who transliterated it thought that ё sounds just like e but it sounds like yo.)

Also there are versions of the same name from the same language used in english that are either more accurate or easier for english speaker like Yevgeniy/Evgeny.

Everyone knows Wladimir Klitschko but if you used his Ukrainian version of name he would be Volodymyr Klychko. In Poland he is Władimir Kliczko or Wołodymyr Kłyczko depending on which (russian or ukrainian) version you choose.