Who will dethrone Anthony Joshua ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 13 Oct 2018, 14:23

What do you think ? Why ?

ironbeard · Post by **ironbeard** » 13 Oct 2018, 14:50

Of that list, I think that both Wilder and Usyk have a decent chance for polar opposite reasons.

victor-romeo · Post by **victor-romeo** » 13 Oct 2018, 15:18

Fury has best chance, a conditioned, mentally focused Fury is a tremendous boxer for a 6'7 man . Compare Joshua vs Klitschko to Klitscko vs Fury for a metric.

Joshua vs Fury pretty close to a pickem fight, Joshua punching power vs Fury jab, defense boxing ability. I would give Joshua slight edge but not much..

man · Post by **man** » 13 Oct 2018, 15:56

none of the above. the dethroner is not
in sight yet.

KiwiRider · Post by **KiwiRider** » 13 Oct 2018, 16:07

One punch dethones him.
HW division has always been like that. Usyk could box rings around AJ's slower movement, Fury might keep him off and scrape a points win, Wilder might get lucky with a KO punch. Out if those three, all three have about a 40/60 chance with AJ as the favourite.

Cyclops · Post by **Cyclops** » 13 Oct 2018, 16:10

He's going to lose at some point, especially as he's more then likely to fight everybody worth fighting before his career is done. He'll fight Fury and Wilder and Usyk and all three of them are going to give him fits. I don't think he's scared of a loss: he said he expects to take at least one at some point in his career. All the greatest fighters have a loss because they fought the best.

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 14 Oct 2018, 05:11

Good post. I agree with that.

lazboy · Post by **lazboy** » 14 Oct 2018, 05:33

Usyk or danial dubious DDD.

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 14 Oct 2018, 06:54

Ajagba looks an absolute beast but then if last night's defeats of Bakole and Ritson remind us, it's all about levels (i.e. the quality of the opponent)

greg · Post by **greg** » 14 Oct 2018, 07:01

..I'll give Wilder a puncher's chance and I'm not sold on Usyk as the HW dominator..

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 14 Oct 2018, 08:33

The is only one, who will dethrone Joshua. It's Gypsy King. There's only one Tyson Fury, a lineal champion, who is coming for Wilder now and after that will take the rest of the belts from Joshua. However, they can have contract affairs, while Usyk is in touch with Eddie now, so he can beat to the punch.

ironbeard · Post by **ironbeard** » 14 Oct 2018, 08:36

DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:33 The is only one, who will dethrone Joshua. It's Gypsy King. There's only one Tyson Fury, a lineal champion, who is coming for Wilder now and after that will take the rest of the belts from Joshua. However, they can have contract affairs, while Usyk is in touch with Eddie now, so he can beat to the punch.

If he beats Wilder, legitimately, I will give him his due. Until then he is a quitter of a gypsy tub of lard.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 14 Oct 2018, 08:40

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:36
DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:33 The is only one, who will dethrone Joshua. It's Gypsy King. There's only one Tyson Fury, a lineal champion, who is coming for Wilder now and after that will take the rest of the belts from Joshua. However, they can have contract affairs, while Usyk is in touch with Eddie now, so he can beat to the punch.
If he beats Wilder, legitimately, I will give him his due. Until then he is a quitter of a gypsy tub of lard.

He had never quitted. He had some troubles and he overcome them. All the rust is washed away, all the fat is cut, Gypsy King is ready to prove, that he is the man, who has beaten the man for the reason.

ironbeard · Post by **ironbeard** » 14 Oct 2018, 08:46

DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:40
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:36
DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:33 The is only one, who will dethrone Joshua. It's Gypsy King. There's only one Tyson Fury, a lineal champion, who is coming for Wilder now and after that will take the rest of the belts from Joshua. However, they can have contract affairs, while Usyk is in touch with Eddie now, so he can beat to the punch.
If he beats Wilder, legitimately, I will give him his due. Until then he is a quitter of a gypsy tub of lard.
He had never quitted. He had some troubles and he overcome them. All the rust is washed away, all the fat is cut, Gypsy King is ready to prove, that he is the man, who has beaten the man for the reason.

Like I said, if he proves it I will give him the credit he deserves. Every boxer / human has “some troubles.” All of his fans’ bullsh!t about him over the last three years is pathetic. He deserves no accolades for his repeated failures.

I am happy that he is back. I will give him credit when it is earned, and not one second prior to it.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 14 Oct 2018, 08:56

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:46
DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:40
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:36
If he beats Wilder, legitimately, I will give him his due. Until then he is a quitter of a gypsy tub of lard.
He had never quitted. He had some troubles and he overcome them. All the rust is washed away, all the fat is cut, Gypsy King is ready to prove, that he is the man, who has beaten the man for the reason.
Like I said, if he proves it I will give him the credit he deserves. Every boxer / human has “some troubles.” All of his fans’ bullsh!t about him over the last three years is pathetic. He deserves no accolades for his repeated failures.

I am happy that he is back. I will give him credit when it is earned, and not one second prior to it.

I'm a fan of Fury and I was disappointed after Seferi fight. I took it objectively. I thought, Tyson was blowing his career. But now it looks like, Fury is ready to prove, he's back.

ironbeard · Post by **ironbeard** » 14 Oct 2018, 09:14

DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:56
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:46
DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:40

He had never quitted. He had some troubles and he overcome them. All the rust is washed away, all the fat is cut, Gypsy King is ready to prove, that he is the man, who has beaten the man for the reason.
Like I said, if he proves it I will give him the credit he deserves. Every boxer / human has “some troubles.” All of his fans’ bullsh!t about him over the last three years is pathetic. He deserves no accolades for his repeated failures.

I am happy that he is back. I will give him credit when it is earned, and not one second prior to it.
I'm a fan of Fury and I was disappointed after Seferi fight. I took it objectively. I thought, Tyson was blowing his career. But now it looks like, Fury is ready to prove, he's back.

I was a huge fan of Fury after the WKlit win. He sh!t on his fans and the boxing world in general for two and a half years.

He has got a lot of proving to do.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 14 Oct 2018, 09:17

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:14
DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:56
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:46
Like I said, if he proves it I will give him the credit he deserves. Every boxer / human has “some troubles.” All of his fans’ bullsh!t about him over the last three years is pathetic. He deserves no accolades for his repeated failures.

I am happy that he is back. I will give him credit when it is earned, and not one second prior to it.
I'm a fan of Fury and I was disappointed after Seferi fight. I took it objectively. I thought, Tyson was blowing his career. But now it looks like, Fury is ready to prove, he's back.
I was a huge fan of Fury after the WKlit win. He sh!t on his fans and the boxing world in general for two and a half years.

He has got a lot of proving to do.

As I said, he had some troubles, but I was still with him. I'm glad. he's back, I hope, he'll prove everything once and for all.

ironbeard · Post by **ironbeard** » 14 Oct 2018, 09:23

DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:17
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:14
DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:56

I'm a fan of Fury and I was disappointed after Seferi fight. I took it objectively. I thought, Tyson was blowing his career. But now it looks like, Fury is ready to prove, he's back.
I was a huge fan of Fury after the WKlit win. He sh!t on his fans and the boxing world in general for two and a half years.

He has got a lot of proving to do.
As I said, he had some troubles, but I was still with him. I'm glad. he's back, I hope, he'll prove everything once and for all.

I just hope that it is a great fight, no matter the outcome. I would have taken Fury over Wilder two and a half years ago. Now, we will see.

It won’t hurt my feelings if either gets stopped.

Thomastearns · Post by **Thomastearns** » 14 Oct 2018, 09:24

Dave Allen aka 'The White Rhino' could be the man to give AJ a run for his money if he can just keep it together for the next 24 months or so. He's certainly got the chin and fears no one.

By then Joshua may have run out of opponents and started getting complacent. Too much money, too many outside distractions, the training getting too boring, etc

On the other hand ... AJ might decide to start chasing records and recruitment for his own 'bum of the month' club.

So many 'ifs and buts'. Great time for the division - we just need the fights.

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 14 Oct 2018, 09:25

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:14
DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:56
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:46
Like I said, if he proves it I will give him the credit he deserves. Every boxer / human has “some troubles.” All of his fans’ bullsh!t about him over the last three years is pathetic. He deserves no accolades for his repeated failures.

I am happy that he is back. I will give him credit when it is earned, and not one second prior to it.
I'm a fan of Fury and I was disappointed after Seferi fight. I took it objectively. I thought, Tyson was blowing his career. But now it looks like, Fury is ready to prove, he's back.
I was a huge fan of Fury after the WKlit win. He sh!t on his fans and the boxing world in general for two and a half years.

He has got a lot of proving to do.

You think the depression / mental illness was tactical? (UKAD etc)

ironbeard · Post by **ironbeard** » 14 Oct 2018, 09:29

candyslim wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:25
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:14
DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 08:56

I'm a fan of Fury and I was disappointed after Seferi fight. I took it objectively. I thought, Tyson was blowing his career. But now it looks like, Fury is ready to prove, he's back.
I was a huge fan of Fury after the WKlit win. He sh!t on his fans and the boxing world in general for two and a half years.

He has got a lot of proving to do.
You think the depression / mental illness was tactical? (UKAD etc)

If you do mountains of coke and barrels of booze and eat tons of takeout, you are likely to end up mentally fvcked.

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 14 Oct 2018, 09:29

Thomastearns wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:24 Dave Allen aka 'The White Rhino' could be the man to give AJ a run for his money if he can just keep it together for the next 24 months or so. He's certainly got the chin and fears no one.

By then Joshua may have run out of opponents and started getting complacent. Too much money, too many outside distractions, the training getting too boring, etc

On the other hand ... AJ might decide to start chasing records and recruitment for his own 'bum of the month' club.

So many 'ifs and buts'. Great time for the division - we just need the fights.

Thomas I hold you in high regard as a poster so i can only conclude this "White Rhino" suggestion was intended as a little light-relief and amusement for the forum?

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 14 Oct 2018, 09:33

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:29
candyslim wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:25
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:14
I was a huge fan of Fury after the WKlit win. He sh!t on his fans and the boxing world in general for two and a half years.

He has got a lot of proving to do.
You think the depression / mental illness was tactical? (UKAD etc)

If you do mountains of coke and barrels of booze and eat tons of takeout, you are likely to end up mentally fvcked.

That was a genuine question and I'm not sure of the answer. Which came first, the physical abuse or the psychological issues?

ewenhay · Post by **ewenhay** » 14 Oct 2018, 09:49

candyslim wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:33
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:29
candyslim wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:25

You think the depression / mental illness was tactical? (UKAD etc)

If you do mountains of coke and barrels of booze and eat tons of takeout, you are likely to end up mentally fvcked.
That was a genuine question and I'm not sure of the answer. Which came first, the physical abuse or the psychological issues?

I think it's an interesting question and the respective timelines add to the mix.

Personally I think the ukad issues contributed to the going off the rails but it's far from clear what went on behind the scenes during that period

ironbeard · Post by **ironbeard** » 14 Oct 2018, 11:22

candyslim wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:33
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:29
candyslim wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 09:25

You think the depression / mental illness was tactical? (UKAD etc)

If you do mountains of coke and barrels of booze and eat tons of takeout, you are likely to end up mentally fvcked.
That was a genuine question and I'm not sure of the answer. Which came first, the physical abuse or the psychological issues?

If he had psychological issues, which nearly every adult can claim for a rationale, he should not have been drugging and boozing and trying to eat his way out.

I do hope that he has recovered and remains so.