crawford vs spence @ 147---who wins ? *

[boxing_rocks]

Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

I am not sure about Crawford's chin. Wasn't he hurt by Gamboa?

[Yuzo]

While I agree with Yuzo that Spence tends to attack straight on, the Texan also cuts the ring off quite well when necessary, especially when his adversary slows just a bit.

spence comes in with push and slides.



you push off your back foot and slide your front foot. its a quick way to stay in your stance and get from point a to point b. but it makes you move in straight lines.



to cut the ring off you have to come in laterally.

Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

i think he'd get hit. but i dont think he'd get hit a lot. which is what spence has to do to break you down. he has to hit you a lot.

[ironbeard]

While I agree with Yuzo that Spence tends to attack straight on, the Texan also cuts the ring off quite well when necessary, especially when his adversary slows just a bit.

spence comes in with push and slides.



you push off your back foot and slide your front foot. its a quick way to stay in your stance and get from point a to point b. but it makes you move in straight lines.



to cut the ring off you have to come in laterally.

Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

i think he'd get hit. but i dont think he'd get hit a lot. which is what spence has to do to break you down. he has to hit you a lot.

Ok, Yuzo, back away from the youtube edits.

In your first one, Spence actually shows lateral adjustment.

Your first post was entertaining but making an argument based on three second out takes of fights is not that strong. Spence cut the ring off decently vs Brook as the fight went to the deep end.

[IKSRTFO]

Great thread.
to Yuzo’s post.

This would be the Leonard / Hearns of this era.

Immediately following Bud vs Benavidez, I was leaning toward Spence based on the react of Crawford to a bit of Benavidez’s body work. Other than that, you simply cannot fault that performance on Saturday night, beyond suggesting that Bud could have finished him earlier.

Spence has shown a reckless disregard for taking incoming fire throughout his career. He seems to believe that he cannot be seriously hurt. That is not a good attitude to have vs Hitman Jr.

Spence is a considerably bigger man physically, but Bud has been fighting bigger men in his last two fights, although not as talented and powerful as Spence.

Benavidez height and length were serious puzzles to solve. I would like to see Horn vs Benavidez. Horn is a huge mauling welter.

Bud handled and stopped both. People belittle what the Nebraskan has accomplished and who he has fought, but he has dominated everyone he has faced and taken several 0s.

Spence has his own hyper critics, claiming that he has not fought great enough comp. He has stopped a series of legit welters, including Brook and Peterson.

Spence was having his issues with Kell until mid fight. While Spence had assumed control, I had it even through eight. Brook is definitely more skilled, gifted, and a heavier puncher than anyone that Bud has met. However, Brook is no Crawford, by some distance.

Crawford would have to be moving the entire fight, sticking Spence, turning him and catching him. He would have to get Spence’s attention early with his pop, making him second guess coming in.

While I agree with Yuzo that Spence tends to attack straight on, the Texan also cuts the ring off quite well when necessary, especially when his adversary slows just a bit.

It is really a 50/50 fight. In those cases I generally lean towards the more pure boxer. My problem with picking Bud outright vs Spence is the formers absolute proclivity to go into tearup mode when touched. Doing so vs Spence would likely be Crawford’s undoing.

I still lean Crawford though, due to his excellent ability to adjust on the fly.

My thoughts exactly. Bud actually sticks and moves more than anyone Spence has fought and Spence can be stationary himself.

[IKSRTFO]

Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

I am not sure about Crawford's chin. Wasn't he hurt by Gamboa?

Gamboa has lightening fast hands and caught Crawford with a punch he didn't see. Spence while miles stronger isn't as fast and Bud will see those punches coming. Brook was able to hit Spence in the beginning and Crawford sticks and moves miles better than Brook does.

[Oiky]

Cracking post from yuzo I really really rate Spence, think he's quality , but for me it's a Crawford decision all day long , think bud is too savvy

[Impractical Poster]

Spence would be a little too much for Crawdaddy.

[Impractical Poster]

Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

I am not sure about Crawford's chin. Wasn't he hurt by Gamboa?

Gamboa has lightening fast hands and caught Crawford with a punch he didn't see. Spence while miles stronger isn't as fast and Bud will see those punches coming. Brook was able to hit Spence in the beginning and Crawford sticks and moves miles better than Brook does.

Gamboa is faster, but Spence sets up his shots better and has better timing. Plus Spence would be pressuring and throwing a lot of body shots. I think he wears down Bud after giving up some early rounds.

[jockpunk]

I am a crawford fan and would be rooting for him, but I think he loses this fight. I think spence will be too phsically strong for him. I sure hope it happens, I would take this fight over any fight that could be made right now.

[phillykid]

Both guys also tend to get better as their fights progress. I think Errol is more likely to get discouraged though than Crawford, especially if Crawford starts to constantly land.

[boxing_rocks]

I am a crawford fan and would be rooting for him, but I think he loses this fight. I think spence will be too phsically strong for him. I sure hope it happens, I would take this fight over any fight that could be made right now.

Not only Spence is too strong, but he is by far the most skillful opponent Crawford ever faced at 140 and 147.

[ironbeard]

I am a crawford fan and would be rooting for him, but I think he loses this fight. I think spence will be too phsically strong for him. I sure hope it happens, I would take this fight over any fight that could be made right now.

Not only Spence is too strong, but he is by far the most skillful opponent Crawford ever faced at 140 and 147.

That cuts both ways.

[NateJR]

I got Crawford by decision. People are making this size thing into a bigger deal than it really is. Crawford isn't that much smaller than Spence.

[ironbeard]

I got Crawford by decision. People are making this size thing into a bigger deal than it really is. Crawford isn't that much smaller than Spence.

I think it would be about ten pounds on fight night.

[Ricky]

I got Crawford by decision. People are making this size thing into a bigger deal than it really is. Crawford isn't that much smaller than Spence.

Well Horn and Benavidez are bigger than Spence, but Spence has p4p world level skill to go with the size.

[NateJR]

I got Crawford by decision. People are making this size thing into a bigger deal than it really is. Crawford isn't that much smaller than Spence.

Well Horn and Benavidez are bigger than Spence, but Spence has p4p world level skill to go with the size.

There isn't that big of a difference in their size and it's not like Crawford this tiny fragile guy. Crawford is physically strong as well. In another year he'll even fill out more. Size would be a non-factor at 147.

[ironbeard]

I got Crawford by decision. People are making this size thing into a bigger deal than it really is. Crawford isn't that much smaller than Spence.

Well Horn and Benavidez are bigger than Spence, but Spence has p4p world level skill to go with the size.

There isn't that big of a difference in their size and it's not like Crawford this tiny fragile guy. Crawford is physically strong as well. In another year he'll even fill out more. Size would be a non-factor at 147.

Hopefully we will find out. If it doesn’t happen relatively soon Spence will move up.

The weight drain could be a factor, which is also a size issue.

[boxing_rocks]

I am a crawford fan and would be rooting for him, but I think he loses this fight. I think spence will be too phsically strong for him. I sure hope it happens, I would take this fight over any fight that could be made right now.

Not only Spence is too strong, but he is by far the most skillful opponent Crawford ever faced at 140 and 147.

That cuts both ways.

Yes, but Brook is much closer to Crawford skill wise than Postol or Benavidez to Spence.

[Yuzo]

Ok, Yuzo, back away from the youtube edits.

In your first one, Spence actually shows lateral adjustment.

Your first post was entertaining but making an argument based on three second out takes of fights is not that strong. Spence cut the ring off decently vs Brook as the fight went to the deep end.

they said chavez was the best ever at cutting the ring off. but then he fought pernell whitaker.

i picked spence to beat brook. i knew spence was going to be outboxed. but i knew brook backs up straight. when you back up straight your back hits the ropes. when your back hits the ropes you cant move. i knew brook was going to be on the ropes a lot. when you get stationary spence hit you. brook gets very stationary.

crawford moves a lot. he does not get stationary. so spence must cut the ring off to get to crawford. but he wont do it with a push and slide. spence is very linear. he comes in straight. he backs up straight.

[Ezzard]

Spence will move up before the fight gets made. It will be orchestrated so they avoid each other. Shame.

[SFW]

I think this Crawford will outbox him too slick talk is a stretch. I mean damn, watch the fights. This last guy was blessed with a miracle just to be back in a ring and even he was getting work done inside and outside touching Crawford up. Benavidez was getting to him in ways that Errol would be hurting him with.. TC is strong I guarantee Spence is stronger, and is used to getting hit with power that Terrance Crawford simply doesn't have. There is no way TC will be able to dance for 12 rounds with the constant pressure and landed shots he's gonna have to deal with... Errol will force him to mix it up and he will rake Crawford's body unlike anyone has before. All that ring IQ talk is right Crawford is smart, but when he's actually taking significant damage from a real killer like Spence we'll see how well he thinks. It's easy to look smart when you are in complete control of inferior opponents. This is the one fight where Crawford won't have complete control. Honestly he'll probably look sharp for 3-4 rounds then progressively take a beating when his shots aren't bothering Spence at all. Errol isn't perfect, doesn't have to be, but these people thinking he's gonna get dog walked are kidding themselves. This isn't 135 and 140, where Crawford could muscle smaller B and C class fighters and have his way with no danger at all. Spence can and will walk through whatever TC has got, give it back & then some.. We might as well file this in fantasy match ups anyway because this ain't getting signed.