Pound For Pound

Boxing Addict · Post by **Boxing Addict** » 09 May 2006, 08:54

What's everyone's P4P ratings

Mine.. (Many of you might disagree, but these are the best fighters P4P)

World

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Marco Antonio Barrera
3. Jose Luis Castillo
4. Winky Wright
5. Oscar De La Hoya
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Diego Corrales (Purest puncher)
8. Rafael Marquez (Best puncher)
9. Joe Calzaghe
10. Ricky Hatton

British

1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Ricky Hatton
3. Scott Harrison
4. Clinton Woods
5. Junior Witter
6. Alex Arthur
7. Graham Earl
8. Nicky Cook
9. Jamie Moore
10. Micheal Hunter

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 09 May 2006, 09:08

World

Floyd Mayweather
Marco Antonio Barrera
Oscar De La Hoya
Winky Wright
Manny Pacquiao
Ricky Hatton
Joe Calzaghe
Jermain Taylor
Jose Luis Castillo
Antonio Tarver

British

Ricky Hatton
Joe Calzaghe
Scott Harrison
Clinton Woods
Johnny Nelson
Junior Witter
Nicky Cook
Carl Froch
David Haye
Alex Arthur

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 09 May 2006, 09:10

Can't say I could complain too much with that of The Ring. Maybe I'd take Tarver out of there, but not sure who to replace him with, possibly Hopkins. (I had him winning both fights against Taylor).

1. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Junior Welterweight
2. WINKY WRIGHT
Middleweight
3. MANNY PACQUIAO
Junior Lightweight
4. MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA
Junior Lightweight
5. RICKY HATTON
Junior Welterweight
6. RAFAEL MARQUEZ
Bantamweight
7. JOSE LUIS CASTILLO
Junior Welterweight
8. ANTONIO TARVER
Light Heavyweight
9. JOE CALZAGHE
Super Middleweight
10. PONGSAKLEK WONJONGKAM
Flyweight

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 09 May 2006, 09:13

I wouldn't go putting De La Hoya in there so quickly. It was a good performance against Mayorga but nobody would have had him in their top twenty. Remember De La Hoya is 2-1 in his last three fights, arguably 1-2. To make him a P4P top ten fighter after looking good against Mayorga is getting a bit carried away.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 09 May 2006, 09:15

But if it was all time rankings i would have him there with the top 20, so to leave him out while he is active would be silly for me!

I might slide him down to 7th but he will stay in my top 10 for now!

Ricebandito · Post by **Ricebandito** » 09 May 2006, 09:19

Marco Antonio Barrera is my favorite current boxer, possibly my favorite of all time. I would not put him in the number two slot however. It depends how you rank P4P fighters. If you're ranking them on the basis of what they've accomplished to date then MAB is definitely up there, but if you match them up with potential fighters then he can't be above Pacquiao. Pacquiao is the man at 130 right now. Barrera was devastated by him before and is only getting older. I'm not saying Barrera is through but I wouldn't be surprised if 2007 will be his last year. Pacquiao is the favorite in any match up at 130 lbs. right now, is in his prime condition, and has lots potential to improve himself. MAB is at the beginning of the end. I hope Pac-man beats Juarez and Morales then fights and loses to MAB but that would be a very unlikely circumstace.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 09 May 2006, 10:01

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquaio
3. Taylor
4. Wright
5. Castillo
6. Barrera
7. Tarver
8. Hopkins
9. Hatton
10. Vazquez

Honorable mention: Sugar Shane, Chris John, RMM, Corrales, DLH.

Boxing Addict · Post by **Boxing Addict** » 09 May 2006, 10:18

How can anyone put Taylor in there, he beat a 42 yr old Bernard Hopkins who was never really pound for pound, just a very strong, good fighter

Taylor is good fighter, but P4P ? no way near, much to prove

Barrera's by far the best P4P fighter cos he's been P4P for almost a decade

The only reason why Mayweather is at the top is that so far he has proven unbeatable against top world class -but he will get beat

Although I am a big Hatton fight he should be around no 9/10, much to prove. As with Taylor, you cannot just beat one veteran legend coming towards the end of his career and expect to be regarded P4P.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 09 May 2006, 10:27

Boxing Addict wrote:How can anyone put Taylor in there, he beat a 42 yr old Bernard Hopkins who was never really pound for pound, just a very strong, good fighter

Taylor is good fighter, but P4P ? no way near, much to prove

Barrera's by far the best P4P fighter cos he's been P4P for almost a decade

The only reason why Mayweather is at the top is that so far he has proven unbeatable against top world class -but he will get beat

Although I am a big Hatton fight he should be around no 9/10, much to prove. As with Taylor, you cannot just beat one veteran legend coming towards the end of his career and expect to be regarded P4P.

Hopkins was everybody's pfp #1 prior to the first Taylor fight, disposed of opponents like DLH or Eastman with ease, in spite of his age. Beating Hopkins twice certainly proves 100 times more than clobbering, say, hand-selected Lacy.

Boxing Addict · Post by **Boxing Addict** » 09 May 2006, 10:34

I agree Hopkins was good but he beat smaller fighters, never fought supermiddles but welterweights, he was too strong for them, don't talk about Eastman! who has never fought to his full potential and couldn't match it at top world class.

Hopkins should be in the P4P over what he has achieved over the last couple of years, but Taylor was the first proper / big middleweight he has fought in ages and at 42, father time was on him, he could only fight a minute of each round.

If Taylor beats Winky, not in close decision but outright then I might reconsider, but at the moment no.

Calzaghe has beaten a few good fighters not just Lacy (Good win but not his best)

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 09 May 2006, 10:36

DLH was never a middleweight and Eastman was hardly P4P. You're right, Joe C absolutely clobbered Lacy - but did Taylor clobber Hopkins? No. He didn't look confident at the end of either fight. Despite youth, speed & power advantages he was unable to get an undisputed decision over an aged Hops. Taylor took more punishment in both fights - Hopkins lost because he left it too late both times (admittedly credit must be given to Taylor for making Hops reluctant to come forward).

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 09 May 2006, 10:36

Boxing Addict wrote:I agree Hopkins was good but he beat smaller fighters, never fought supermiddles but welterweights, he was too strong for them, don't talk about Eastman! who has never fought to his full potential and couldn't match it at top world class.

Hopkins should be in the P4P over what he has achieved over the last couple of years, but Taylor was the first proper / big middleweight he has fought in ages and at 42, father time was on him, he could only fight a minute of each round.

If Taylor beats Winky, not in close decision but outright then I might reconsider, but at the moment no.

Calzaghe has beaten a few good fighters not just Lacy (Good win but not his best)

The winner of Taylor vs Winky is pfp #2.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 09 May 2006, 11:00

How can anyone have Pacman below Barrera is beyond me. And who exactly has Barrera beat since Morales? Peden - hardly P4P.

Also Tarver - beat everyone hes ever faced including 5-6 top10 LHWs and the ATG RJJ who else has beaten everyone they've ever faced? Barrera? No Morales? No Pacman? No Corrales? No Castillo? No

Plus if 1 guy gets in on 1 win (Hatton) you have to let in others (Taylor, John)

And how is Corrales on anyones list after losing while other losing fighters drop that were higher than him - Tyszu, Hopkins, JM Marquez,

The illogicalness of P4P lists

ALSO HERES A Q - How can someone be P4P when they weight drain and are always fighting smaller guys. Thats a mockery of P4P its scale manipulation. If Castillo and Corrales are P4p then have them step upto 147 where they belong.

rant Over 4 Now

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 09 May 2006, 11:16

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Plus if 1 guy gets in on 1 win (Hatton) you have to let in others (Taylor, John)

And how is Corrales on anyones list after losing while other losing fighters drop that were higher than him - Tyszu, Hopkins, JM Marquez, rant Over 4 Now

Well Hatton made Tszyu quit. It's the manner of the victory. Taylor had controversial decisions over Hopkins. I didn't see the Marquez-John fight but he decisioned him, didn't he?

There is an argument for keeping Corrales in there. I don't have him on my list but no problem with anybody else doing so. He fought against a guy who didn't try to make weight and this would have made a difference. These guys have to starve themselves to get rid of those last few pounds. Castillo may have still won by KO but if he wanted to erase all doubt, he should have made weight.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 May 2006, 11:27

1. Manny Pacquiao - Fights the best out there, and beats them.
2. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
3. Winky Wright
4. Marco Antonio Barrera - May lose his spot forever if he loses to Rocky.
5. Jose Luis Castillo
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Jermaine Taylor
10. Antonio Tarver

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 09 May 2006, 11:53

lvlarc_uk wrote:1. Manny Pacquiao - Fights the best out there, and beats them.
2. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
3. Winky Wright
4. Marco Antonio Barrera - May lose his spot forever if he loses to Rocky.
5. Jose Luis Castillo
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Jermaine Taylor
10. Antonio Tarver

I suggest you also find a spot for Danny Williams, Carl Thompson and Scott Harrison.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 May 2006, 12:00

Care to explain?

Are you always this immature?

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 09 May 2006, 12:17

lvlarc_uk wrote:Care to explain?

Are you always this immature?

You have dared to put Calzaghe in there. Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows that Lacey was a nobody and Joe shouldn't be in the P4P top hundred.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 May 2006, 12:24

Your joking right?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 09 May 2006, 12:31

Loynesy wrote:
lvlarc_uk wrote:Care to explain?

Are you always this immature?
You have dared to put Calzaghe in there. Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows that Lacey was a nobody and Joe shouldn't be in the P4P top hundred.

Bottom top 20 is OK.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 May 2006, 12:39

So Calzaghe isn't a P4P'r yet Hopkins still is?

I think beating the 2nd rated in his div no matter how good you think he is, entitles him to a PPV spot. It did for Tarver and he hardly won in a convincing fashion like Calzaghe did. Also funny thing is, I know alot of people here will favour Calzaghe to beat Tarver.

If you look around you'll find it's not only me who thinks Calzaghe is a P4P fighter. Can't be assed arguing with you though as it's same old shit.

Now follow me to the current scene bitch.

Ricebandito · Post by **Ricebandito** » 09 May 2006, 13:35

Loynesy wrote:
lvlarc_uk wrote:Care to explain?

Are you always this immature?
You have dared to put Calzaghe in there. Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows that Lacey was a nobody and Joe shouldn't be in the P4P top hundred.

I wouldn't be so quick to say Lacey or Calzaghe are shit. Super Middle Weight is an empty uninteresting division so it makes sense that neither one have any major fights but that doesn't mean they aren't good fighters. Lacey definitely isn't any where near P4P but Calzaghe could be put up there for the same reason Hatton is. Both Hatton and Calzaghe have a long list of title defenses against international B grade fighters and one outstanding win against "The man" in their divisions. The difference is Lacey was in his prime where as Tszyu was on his way out and pretty damn old for 140 lbs. fighter.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 09 May 2006, 13:43

lvlarc_uk wrote:So Calzaghe isn't a P4P'r yet Hopkins still is?

I think beating the 2nd rated in his div no matter how good you think he is, entitles him to a PPV spot.

He beat the #6 rated in his division (according to my rating). Barely enough to make it from #2 to #1 in his own division....

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 09 May 2006, 13:45

lvlarc_uk wrote: If you look around you'll find it's not only me who thinks Calzaghe is a P4P fighter.

Yeah, and most of these have been born on a certain rainy island....

As have Williams, Thomspon, and Harrison, to come back to my original intervention. So why not throw in those as well?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 09 May 2006, 14:03

pundit wrote:
Boxing Addict wrote:How can anyone put Taylor in there, he beat a 42 yr old Bernard Hopkins who was never really pound for pound, just a very strong, good fighter

Taylor is good fighter, but P4P ? no way near, much to prove

Barrera's by far the best P4P fighter cos he's been P4P for almost a decade

The only reason why Mayweather is at the top is that so far he has proven unbeatable against top world class -but he will get beat

Although I am a big Hatton fight he should be around no 9/10, much to prove. As with Taylor, you cannot just beat one veteran legend coming towards the end of his career and expect to be regarded P4P.

Hopkins was everybody's pfp #1 prior to the first Taylor fight, disposed of opponents like DLH or Eastman with ease, in spite of his age. Beating Hopkins twice certainly proves 100 times more than clobbering, say, hand-selected Lacy.

not really, as hopkins had no firepower left, was 40/41 and taylor probably didn't deserve to win those fights. jermain was bitterly disappointing

anyhow, what the fornicate is de la hoya doing so hight on most lists, and why is lorenzo parra not on any?

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