Alexander Povetkin's resume vs Dereck Chisora's resume (both fighting against opponents in each other's resumes)

[dagilechia]

LF12: "Povetkin went 24 round against Jouryneymen Rudenko and Hammer without a single knockdown against either. Needed 5 rounds to KO a glass jawed David Price who has been stopped far quicker and more brutally by Turkish Erken Tepper. "

LF12: "I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome."

[Lennox]

Povetkin beats Dillian Whyte, Pulev, Hughie Fury, Wach, Duhauppas, Miller, Joe Parker, Breazalle, Kownacki, Hammer, Jennings, Hekenius....... all those fighters will probably beat Dereck.

The arguement about unbeaten fighters is always a non sense, it means nothing, plently of 17-5 fighters are better than some 22-0 ones. Dereck at 29-8 is much better than many unbeaten ones.

A lot of Chisoras wins are against very poor fights. Povetkins resume is very high. Povetkin beats most he just struggles with the big heavyweights that are elite. Povetkin is past his best now though, he may or may not fight again, I would say a Luis Ortiz fight or a Wilder fight hes not certain to lose and it is nearly 50-50. Chisora v those is a 5 or 10% chance.

I also think Joe Joyce Yoka, Hgrovic will beat Chisora tomorrow, and they will give Povetkin a good fight and may even win.

Povetkin v Tyson Fury I am really not sure, its fairly 50-50.

Chisora also beat Whyte. I somehow can't envisage Povetkin at this point in his career, standing up to Whyte's power. Joseph Parker went 12 rounds and took Joshua's best punches without seeing the canvas once. Whilst he couldn't take Whyte's best punches without going down.

Parker's durability > Povetkin's durability. And if Whyte is dropping Parker twice, he is putting Povetkin inside a body bag.

What has Povetkin done recently that has been more impressive than Whyte's recent feats? Whyte put Lucas Browne in a stretcher and dropped Parker twice. Whilst Povetkin went 24 round against Jouryneymen Rudenko and Hammer without a single knockdown against either. Needed 5 rounds to KO a glass jawed David Price who has been stopped far quicker and more brutally by Turkish Erken Tepper. And was unable to even hurt Anthony Joshua with multiple of his best punches landing flush, whilst Whyte with a single left hook, hurt and stunned Joshua more than any punch Povektin landed on Joshua.

Whyte > Povetkin going by recent performances / feats. This isn't even up for debate!


Kubrat Pulev would jab Povetkin's head off. Any above average jab gives Povetkin fits. And Pulev has the best jab in the heavyweight division, especially his power jab. And no, Anthony Joshua's jab isn't above average. Joshua's jab is pretty poor for a super heavyweight. His main strengths are mid-range fighting and not outside boxing with a jab like Wladimir Klitshcko or Kubrat Pulev.

Povetkin is going to have his face rearranged, if not knocked off his head by the end of the fight against Pulev.

Joseph Parker is better if we go by current form. He also beats Povetkin.

Dereck Chisora either beats the rest, or he loses to them, the same way Povetkin does.

Jennings loses in a similar way to Chisora how Takam lost.

Hughie Fury is a question mark. Simply because we don't how much he has improved / will improve.

Chisora already beat Helenius but got robbed. He'll beat Helenius in a rematch and would beat Duhaupas, Kownacki and Brezeale,

Povetkin has always been afraid of unbeaten opponents. He's only faced opponents after they had already been exposed / beaten by someone else. Barring a few exceptions! Why couldn't Povetkin ever be a heavyweight titlist, when Bermane Stiverne and Charles Martins managed it? Why didn't Charles Martin and Bermane Stiverne have to fight Povetkin first, to becme a titlist, if Povetkin was such a top level boxer??

Povetin has a cherry picked and manufactured career.

www.premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200 read the numbers for Povetkin in his last 20 fights and then do the same for Chisora. The low number the better quality opponent. The W means and opponent not top100 ranked.

[candyslim]

This is the fellah (The OP) who initially claimed to be a Povetkin fan when clearly he thinks less of him even than Caldo does. I really don't know what he hopes to achieve by his neverending poisonous attacks on a very capable heavyweight. Neither do I want to know.

This guy provokes a severe coulrophobic reaction in me so I'm going to steer clear of his latest hate-spewing outburst.

[Luis Fernando12]

LF12: "Povetkin went 24 round against Jouryneymen Rudenko and Hammer without a single knockdown against either. Needed 5 rounds to KO a glass jawed David Price who has been stopped far quicker and more brutally by Turkish Erken Tepper. "

LF12: "I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome."

What's your point? Beating David Price at age 38, compared to other past heavyweights, especially that were his own size, is EXTREMELY impressive. Certainly when you consider the likes of Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson were losing to far inferior opponents than David Price at the same age.

But knocking out David Price, compared to prime Dillian Whyte who has accomplished far more impressive feats right now by dropping durable Joseph Parker twice and putting the undefeated Lucas Browne to sleep, where he had to be carried out in a stretcher, is not enough evidence that he can beat Dillian Whyte.

[Luis Fernando12]

Povetkin beats Dillian Whyte, Pulev, Hughie Fury, Wach, Duhauppas, Miller, Joe Parker, Breazalle, Kownacki, Hammer, Jennings, Hekenius....... all those fighters will probably beat Dereck.

The arguement about unbeaten fighters is always a non sense, it means nothing, plently of 17-5 fighters are better than some 22-0 ones. Dereck at 29-8 is much better than many unbeaten ones.

A lot of Chisoras wins are against very poor fights. Povetkins resume is very high. Povetkin beats most he just struggles with the big heavyweights that are elite. Povetkin is past his best now though, he may or may not fight again, I would say a Luis Ortiz fight or a Wilder fight hes not certain to lose and it is nearly 50-50. Chisora v those is a 5 or 10% chance.

I also think Joe Joyce Yoka, Hgrovic will beat Chisora tomorrow, and they will give Povetkin a good fight and may even win.

Povetkin v Tyson Fury I am really not sure, its fairly 50-50.

Chisora also beat Whyte. I somehow can't envisage Povetkin at this point in his career, standing up to Whyte's power. Joseph Parker went 12 rounds and took Joshua's best punches without seeing the canvas once. Whilst he couldn't take Whyte's best punches without going down.

Parker's durability > Povetkin's durability. And if Whyte is dropping Parker twice, he is putting Povetkin inside a body bag.

What has Povetkin done recently that has been more impressive than Whyte's recent feats? Whyte put Lucas Browne in a stretcher and dropped Parker twice. Whilst Povetkin went 24 round against Jouryneymen Rudenko and Hammer without a single knockdown against either. Needed 5 rounds to KO a glass jawed David Price who has been stopped far quicker and more brutally by Turkish Erken Tepper. And was unable to even hurt Anthony Joshua with multiple of his best punches landing flush, whilst Whyte with a single left hook, hurt and stunned Joshua more than any punch Povektin landed on Joshua.

Whyte > Povetkin going by recent performances / feats. This isn't even up for debate!


Kubrat Pulev would jab Povetkin's head off. Any above average jab gives Povetkin fits. And Pulev has the best jab in the heavyweight division, especially his power jab. And no, Anthony Joshua's jab isn't above average. Joshua's jab is pretty poor for a super heavyweight. His main strengths are mid-range fighting and not outside boxing with a jab like Wladimir Klitshcko or Kubrat Pulev.

Povetkin is going to have his face rearranged, if not knocked off his head by the end of the fight against Pulev.

Joseph Parker is better if we go by current form. He also beats Povetkin.

Dereck Chisora either beats the rest, or he loses to them, the same way Povetkin does.

Jennings loses in a similar way to Chisora how Takam lost.

Hughie Fury is a question mark. Simply because we don't how much he has improved / will improve.

Chisora already beat Helenius but got robbed. He'll beat Helenius in a rematch and would beat Duhaupas, Kownacki and Brezeale,

Povetkin has always been afraid of unbeaten opponents. He's only faced opponents after they had already been exposed / beaten by someone else. Barring a few exceptions! Why couldn't Povetkin ever be a heavyweight titlist, when Bermane Stiverne and Charles Martins managed it? Why didn't Charles Martin and Bermane Stiverne have to fight Povetkin first, to becme a titlist, if Povetkin was such a top level boxer??

Povetin has a cherry picked and manufactured career.

www.premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200 read the numbers for Povetkin in his last 20 fights and then do the same for Chisora. The low number the better quality opponent. The W means and opponent not top100 ranked.

You still haven't answered my question. Why couldn't Alexander Povetkin become a heavyweight titlist, if Bermane Stiverne and Charles Martin managed it? Why didn't Stiverne and Charles Martins have to fight Povetkin, before they could become heavyweight titlist, if Povetkin was such a top heavyweight boxer?

That website proves nothing! Because I've already admitted that Povetkin has a better looking record on PAPER. However, that's because he chose to fight a bunch of b and c level opponents to pad up his record, making it look better, avoiding most of the elite opponents. Meanwhile, Chisora had the courage to actually take on more real elite A level opponents like Vitali Klitschko, Kubrat Pulev, Tyson Fury, David Haye and etc. Povetkin avoided them, for lower level heavyweights.

Povetkin may have beaten more opponents better on paper, but he did so after they were already going down the rankings and were already exposed / beaten by somebody else. Chisora just exposed Povetkin's best knockout win in Takam, by also knocking him out too. Proving that Povetkin is no better than he is.

[Luis Fernando12]

Anyone who thinks Chisora his resume is even remotely close near Povetkin his resume, even outside of the losses, is an absolute nutjob.

Comparing Chisora to Wilder makes more sense, Chisora probably got a better resume then Wilder will ever achieve.

What are Povetkin's best opponents? Takam? Chisora has already beaten him too. Everyone else isn't that relevant anymore, since Takam is Povetkin's best opponent of the last few years that he beat, and Chisora has also beaten him by stoppage.

Overall, Chisora faced better opponents and this isn't even up for debate!

Povetkin's resume only looks good on paper because it's deceptive and manufactured.

[Luis Fernando12]

This is the fellah (The OP) who initially claimed to be a Povetkin fan when clearly he thinks less of him even than Caldo does. I really don't know what he hopes to achieve by his neverending poisonous attacks on a very capable heavyweight. Neither do I want to know.

This guy provokes a severe coulrophobic reaction in me so I'm going to steer clear of his latest hate-spewing outburst.

I'm providing constructive criticism! Nothing to do with hate. I've only criticized Povetkin as a boxer where criticism is warranted and that's it. I've never criticized him as a person or in anyway unrelated to boxing. I've defended him multiple times, such as during the PED / meldonium scandal. But I also provide criticism where it's due.

I don't approve of seeing a boxer getting more credit than what they deserve. I've asked a few questions that nobody has been able to answer in relation to Povetkin. These are objectively laid out, clear cut questions that have nothing to do with hate whatsoever.

[dagilechia]

Chisora also beat Whyte. I somehow can't envisage Povetkin at this point in his career, standing up to Whyte's power. Joseph Parker went 12 rounds and took Joshua's best punches without seeing the canvas once. Whilst he couldn't take Whyte's best punches without going down.

Parker's durability > Povetkin's durability. And if Whyte is dropping Parker twice, he is putting Povetkin inside a body bag.

What has Povetkin done recently that has been more impressive than Whyte's recent feats? Whyte put Lucas Browne in a stretcher and dropped Parker twice. Whilst Povetkin went 24 round against Jouryneymen Rudenko and Hammer without a single knockdown against either. Needed 5 rounds to KO a glass jawed David Price who has been stopped far quicker and more brutally by Turkish Erken Tepper. And was unable to even hurt Anthony Joshua with multiple of his best punches landing flush, whilst Whyte with a single left hook, hurt and stunned Joshua more than any punch Povektin landed on Joshua.

Whyte > Povetkin going by recent performances / feats. This isn't even up for debate!


Kubrat Pulev would jab Povetkin's head off. Any above average jab gives Povetkin fits. And Pulev has the best jab in the heavyweight division, especially his power jab. And no, Anthony Joshua's jab isn't above average. Joshua's jab is pretty poor for a super heavyweight. His main strengths are mid-range fighting and not outside boxing with a jab like Wladimir Klitshcko or Kubrat Pulev.

Povetkin is going to have his face rearranged, if not knocked off his head by the end of the fight against Pulev.

Joseph Parker is better if we go by current form. He also beats Povetkin.

Dereck Chisora either beats the rest, or he loses to them, the same way Povetkin does.

Jennings loses in a similar way to Chisora how Takam lost.

Hughie Fury is a question mark. Simply because we don't how much he has improved / will improve.

Chisora already beat Helenius but got robbed. He'll beat Helenius in a rematch and would beat Duhaupas, Kownacki and Brezeale,

Povetkin has always been afraid of unbeaten opponents. He's only faced opponents after they had already been exposed / beaten by someone else. Barring a few exceptions! Why couldn't Povetkin ever be a heavyweight titlist, when Bermane Stiverne and Charles Martins managed it? Why didn't Charles Martin and Bermane Stiverne have to fight Povetkin first, to becme a titlist, if Povetkin was such a top level boxer??

Povetin has a cherry picked and manufactured career.

www.premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200 read the numbers for Povetkin in his last 20 fights and then do the same for Chisora. The low number the better quality opponent. The W means and opponent not top100 ranked.

You still haven't answered my question. Why couldn't Alexander Povetkin become a heavyweight titlist, if Bermane Stiverne and Charles Martin managed it? Why didn't Stiverne and Charles Martins have to fight Povetkin, before they could become heavyweight titlist, if Povetkin was such a top heavyweight boxer?

That website proves nothing! Because I've already admitted that Povetkin has a better looking record on PAPER. However, that's because he chose to fight a bunch of b and c level opponents to pad up his record, making it look better, avoiding most of the elite opponents. Meanwhile, Chisora had the courage to actually take on more real elite A level opponents like Vitali Klitschko, Kubrat Pulev, Tyson Fury, David Haye and etc. Povetkin avoided them, for lower level heavyweights.

Povetkin may have beaten more opponents better on paper, but he did so after they were already going down the rankings and were already exposed / beaten by somebody else. Chisora just exposed Povetkin's best knockout win in Takam, by also knocking him out too. Proving that Povetkin is no better than he is.

You don't get one thing - Povetkin was fighting better opponents than a titleholder Wilder. Wilder had a belt so virtually everyone wanted to fight him but he was ducking the best and was cherry picking the worst opponents possible - who before they fought Wilder knew about Molina or Duhaupas or ranked them in top 15? Shot Arreola was even worse opponent than Rudenko, Wilder even signed to fight Wawrzyk with whom Povetkin previously cleaned the floor on the ring as a warm-up before fighting Klitschko.

Povetkin was not a titleholder so not everyone wanted to fight him - low reward high risk. Povetkin fought the best opponents possible, Wilder didn't. I have no doubt that if Povetkin had the belt he would fight everyone without ducking.

You just dont understand that Povetkin couldn't fight better opponents because they rather aimed to fight Wilder or AJ than losing to Povetkin and drop in the rankings, losing the opportunity of titleshot and high purse.

Chisora on the other hand faced more top fighters because he fought as a B side.

Povetkin fought as A side -he was like titleholder without a title, he fought comparable opponents to DWs and AJs opponents in the same time and was beating them in similar if not better fashion.

[dagilechia]

Povetkin's streak: Charr, Takam, Perez, Wach, Duhaupas, Rudenko, Hammer, Price.

Joshua's streak: Whyte, Martin, Breazeale, Molina, Klitschko, Takam, Parker.

Wilder's streak: Stiverne, Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka, Arreola, Washington, Stiverne, Ortiz.

Fury's streak: Chisora, Hammer, Klitschko.

Klitschko's streak (after Povetkin): Leapai, Pulev, Jennings.


So Povetkin fought the same level of opposition as the top fighters.

The only difference is:

Ortiz would fight Povetkin if Sasha had the belt but he didn't so he was not interested in this fight - so Povetkin had no opportunity to face him. Even if he wanted to.

Same goes to potential Povetkin vs Parker matchup. What would you choose - beating from Povetkin in Moscow or unification with AJ at Wembley?

[dagilechia]

Luis Fernando: Please mention fighters who Povetkin could fight between his Klitschko and AJ fights but he didn't -also mention those who Povetkin ducked.

[Luis Fernando12]

www.premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200 read the numbers for Povetkin in his last 20 fights and then do the same for Chisora. The low number the better quality opponent. The W means and opponent not top100 ranked.

You still haven't answered my question. Why couldn't Alexander Povetkin become a heavyweight titlist, if Bermane Stiverne and Charles Martin managed it? Why didn't Stiverne and Charles Martins have to fight Povetkin, before they could become heavyweight titlist, if Povetkin was such a top heavyweight boxer?

That website proves nothing! Because I've already admitted that Povetkin has a better looking record on PAPER. However, that's because he chose to fight a bunch of b and c level opponents to pad up his record, making it look better, avoiding most of the elite opponents. Meanwhile, Chisora had the courage to actually take on more real elite A level opponents like Vitali Klitschko, Kubrat Pulev, Tyson Fury, David Haye and etc. Povetkin avoided them, for lower level heavyweights.

Povetkin may have beaten more opponents better on paper, but he did so after they were already going down the rankings and were already exposed / beaten by somebody else. Chisora just exposed Povetkin's best knockout win in Takam, by also knocking him out too. Proving that Povetkin is no better than he is.

You don't get one thing - Povetkin was fighting better opponents than a titleholder Wilder. Wilder had a belt so virtually everyone wanted to fight him but he was ducking the best and was cherry picking the worst opponents possible - who before they fought Wilder knew about Molina or Duhaupas or ranked them in top 15? Shot Arreola was even worse opponent than Rudenko, Wilder even signed to fight Wawrzyk with whom Povetkin previously cleaned the floor on the ring as a warm-up before fighting Klitschko.

Povetkin was not a titleholder so not everyone wanted to fight him - low reward high risk. Povetkin fought the best opponents possible, Wilder didn't. I have no doubt that if Povetkin had the belt he would fight everyone without ducking.

You just dont understand that Povetkin couldn't fight better opponents because they rather aimed to fight Wilder or AJ than losing to Povetkin and drop in the rankings, losing the opportunity of titleshot and high purse.

Chisora on the other hand faced more top fighters because he fought as a B side.

Povetkin fought as A side -he was like titleholder without a title, he fought comparable opponents to DWs and AJs opponents in the same time and was beating them in similar if not better fashion.

That still doesn't explain why Bermane Stiverne, Charles Martin and a bunch of other heavyweights were able to become heavyweight titlist, but Povetkin could not. And why they did not have to first fight Povetkin before they were able to become heavyweight titlists.

Charles Martin for example, has had fewer bouts than Povetkin but has still already fought 6 undefeated opponents and has beaten 4 of them.. Meanwhile, Povetkin only faced 4 in TOTAL and lost to two.

If you look at Povetkin's best wins, after he lost to Wladimir Klitschko. They were:

1) Manuel Charr: A guy who was previously already exposed and beaten by Vitali Klitschko. And then later, stopped more brutally by cruiser weight Mairis Breidis compared to the KO he suffered before at the hands of Povetkin.

2) Carlos Takam: Another fighter who was already previously defeated by Gregory Tony and then stopped by Dereck Chisora, 2 rounds earlier than what Povetkin needed.

3) Mike Perez: A blown up cruiser weight. Was previously beaten already by Bryant Jennings and then later by cruiser weight Mairis Breidis.

4) Mariusz Wach: Already defeated by Wladimir Klitshcko. Povetkin faced yet another opponent after they were already previously exposed by someone else. And Wach was then then defeated by Jarrell Miller. Once again, Povetkin's resume gets exposed.

5) Johann Duhaupas: Already beaten by Deontay Wilder and then later by Jarrrell Miller. Also lost to Franseco Pianeta and Erken Teper earlier.


I don't even have to mention Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer. Who are literal low level JOURNYEMEN!

Povetkin's best wins are against opponents who were already on the slide and were already going down the rankings, even before he faced them. They just happened to be ranked high enough or in the top 10 when Povetkin got to them. That's how he maintained his top 10 status for as long as he did, by padding up his record with such type of opposition. Which on paper, looks very impressive deceptively. However, upon further investigation, it doesn't.

Who could Povetkin have faced you ask? He could've faced Joseph Parker, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Dominic Brezeale, Bryant Jennings and etc. Whilst they are / were still undefeated.

Instead, it was Joseph Parker who defeated undefeated Hughie Fury and took his 0. It was Anthony Joshua who defeated undefeated Dominic Brezeale and took his 0. It was Joseph Parker who defeated undefeated Andy Ruiz Jr and took his 0. It was Wladimir Klitschko who defeated undefeated Bryant Jennings and took his 0. Need I go on? Are you now getting the drift here and seeing the pattern that has been a common theme in Povetkin's career?

Povetkin has shown an OBVIOUS and a BLATANT fear of undefeated boxers. He let other guys beat some of the top guys first, and then he faced them after they were already exposed. What does that tell you about Povetkin?

Joseph Parker had to fight Andy Ruiz Jr to become a heavyweight titlist. Why didn't he have to fight Povetkin?

[dagilechia]

"Who could Povetkin have faced you ask? He could've faced Joseph Parker, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Dominic Brezeale, Bryant Jennings and etc. Whilst they are / were still undefeated."

Nah, he couldn't. Parker wanted only to keep his belt until huge payday unification vs Joshua. Andy Ruiz is overrated inactive and fights bums only.
The rest of mentioned fighters fight far worse opponents than Sasha does and they wait on their bums for another titleshot. Povetkin is big risk but low reward. They dont want to risk if they can get hit for far better money and for a titleshot.

[dagilechia]

"That still doesn't explain why Bermane Stiverne, Charles Martin and a bunch of other heavyweights were able to become heavyweight titlist, but Povetkin could not. And why they did not have to first fight Povetkin before they were able to become heavyweight titlists."

Then it seems that you know very little about politics in boxing.

[adislav123]

He knows shit but every detail about a fighter's career he absolutely hates for some weird reason. It's a gay thing rooting in his early childhood. Something in his life happened that sparked an ridiculous obsession with povetkin. The endless comparisions and theories he brings up why povetkin is a bum & chisora better, make zero sense, he is just deeply disturbed by & very insecure in his homosexuality (nothing wrong about that fact whatsoever) He needs comfort & closure (a proper assfyck by a tall, blonde russian might help a lot)

I'm jokingly assuming shit about you, luis! Meant to be funny & not to attack you personally! i'm sorry! It's just absolutely crazy stuff you come up with!

Fact is, if it should happen povetkin would thoroughly outbox & beat up dereck, even with 40. Only a puncher's chance for chisora like always at heavweight.

[Luis Fernando12]

"Who could Povetkin have faced you ask? He could've faced Joseph Parker, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Dominic Brezeale, Bryant Jennings and etc. Whilst they are / were still undefeated."

Nah, he couldn't. Parker wanted only to keep his belt until huge payday unification vs Joshua. Andy Ruiz is overrated inactive and fights bums only.
The rest of mentioned fighters fight far worse opponents than Sasha does and they wait on their bums for another titleshot. Povetkin is big risk but low reward. They dont want to risk if they can get hit for far better money and for a titleshot.

Right! So Andy Ruiz Jr is a bum beater and overrated, but Carlos Takam is a mighty skilled warrior who happens to be one of greatest Povetkin's wins (especially knockout wins)? Do you realize the flaw in your statement?

Andy Ruiz Jr was unbeaten and was never previously exposed by anybody. Where as Mr Takam, the guy who you defend so vehemntly and adamantly, that is supposed to be such a top level boxer according to you, is a guy who lost to an MMA fighter / kick boxer in Gregory Tony. What excuse is there for that? If Takam was so good, then why is he losing to such low level boxers like that? Even more importantly, if Takam was supposed to be better than Andy Ruiz Jr, then why hasn't Andy Ruiz Jr ever lost to anybody as bad as Gregory Tony? Since he's also fought opponents of that caliber multiple times.

You claim Andy Ruiz Jr only fights bums. But at least he's beating them and not losing to them like Takam is. So how an Earth does that make Takam better than Ruiz? The only reason why Takam is even known, is because Povetkin beat him and that's it. Otherwise, who the hell is Takam?

Hughie Fury is also better than the likes of Carlos Takam, Manuel Charr and etc. He was an unbeaten heavyweight that not only never lost, but never lost to low level journeymen like Gregory Tony or got knocked out unconscious by cruiser weights like Mairis Breidis. That's the level of Povetkin's opposition. Parker's wins over Hughie Fury and Andy Ruiz Jr > Povetkin's wins over previously exposed / beaten boxers like Manuel Charr and Carlos Takam.

You want to make excuses that nobody wants to risk fighting Povetkin. But Povetkin has no problems fighting scrubs like Takam and Manuel Charr. But when it comes to undefeated prospects like Hughie Fury (who actually called out Povetkin by the way) and Andy Ruiz Jr, somehow they don't want to fight him? Do you see how poor your excuse is? If Povetkin was someone who everyone feared so much and wanted to avoid so much, then why would Charr and Takam be fighting him?

"That still doesn't explain why Bermane Stiverne, Charles Martin and a bunch of other heavyweights were able to become heavyweight titlist, but Povetkin could not. And why they did not have to first fight Povetkin before they were able to become heavyweight titlists."

Then it seems that you know very little about politics in boxing.

I'm sorry! But that's not an answer! Attacking me personally is not a valid answer. If I don't know, then I challenge / dare you to enlighten me.

[tiny_acres]

Anyone who thinks Chisora his resume is even remotely close near Povetkin his resume, even outside of the losses, is an absolute nutjob.

Comparing Chisora to Wilder makes more sense, Chisora probably got a better resume then Wilder will ever achieve.

What are Povetkin's best opponents? Takam? Chisora has already beaten him too. Everyone else isn't that relevant anymore, since Takam is Povetkin's best opponent of the last few years that he beat, and Chisora has also beaten him by stoppage.

Overall, Chisora faced better opponents and this isn't even up for debate!

Povetkin's resume only looks good on paper because it's deceptive and manufactured.

Chagaev, Wach, Rahman, Boswell and many many others, what's the best guy Chisora has ever beaten?

Add in Chambers and Byrd. The guy has a fantastic resume. Povetkin has been a top 5 contender for 10 plus years.
Only a fool can compare his to Chisora's

[Ilya Muromets]

Your hero, Chisora, is a long time criminal, Luis. There used to be, and maybe you can still find it, an article online from the Zimbabwe news entitled "armed robber makes good in UK boxing". He was an armed robber in Africa. That's what they are inviting into the UK these days, en masse. The British media covers it up. They won't tell you the truth about your "Del Boy".

[Luis Fernando12]

Anyone who thinks Chisora his resume is even remotely close near Povetkin his resume, even outside of the losses, is an absolute nutjob.

Comparing Chisora to Wilder makes more sense, Chisora probably got a better resume then Wilder will ever achieve.

What are Povetkin's best opponents? Takam? Chisora has already beaten him too. Everyone else isn't that relevant anymore, since Takam is Povetkin's best opponent of the last few years that he beat, and Chisora has also beaten him by stoppage.

Overall, Chisora faced better opponents and this isn't even up for debate!

Povetkin's resume only looks good on paper because it's deceptive and manufactured.

Chagaev, Wach, Rahman, Boswell and many many others, what's the best guy Chisora has ever beaten?

A shot Chagaev who was stopped by Wladimir Klitschko before and then brutally stopped by Lucas Browne? No thanks! Beating such an opponent like Chagaev isn't impressive!

Wach? You mean the guy who was beaten from pillar to post by Wladimir Klitschko and then stopped by Jarrell Miller later on. Again, no thanks! What has Wach ever done in his career that makes him such an impressive opponent to beat?

Rahman? You mean a totally shot to bits Rahman, that never should've even been in the ring? Pretty pathetic, if you're going to list names like that to make someone's resume / record look impressive.

Boswell? You mean a 40 year old, shot Boswell who was schooling Povetkin in the early rounds with a simple jab, until his legs and stamina was gone in the later rounds due to his old age? That wouldn't be a fight I'd use to make Povetkin look impressive, because that fight actually exposed Povetkin where Povetkin looked extremely clumsy.

Chisora has just stopped Takam. Povetkin's best knockout win in years. Other than that, Chisora hasn't wasted his time with scrubs that Povetkin has fought. Instead, he went straight to the deep end, fighting elite opponent after elite opponent like Vitali Klitshcko, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and Tyson Fury twice. That is, despite having fewer fights. Whilst Povetkin on the other hand, despite having more fights, has only fought two elite opponents in Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua. Losing to both! Therefore, both are roughly on the same level. Since both have been failures at the ABSOLUTE very top. Low level heavyweights like Rahman, Boswell and Wach aren't relevant. Chisora would do a number on all of them too. Just like how he did a number on Takam, who looked helpless against Chisora and was stopped 2 rounds quicker.

[Luis Fernando12]

Your hero, Chisora, is a long time criminal, Luis. There used to be, and maybe you can still find it, an article online from the Zimbabwe news entitled "armed robber makes good in UK boxing". He was an armed robber in Africa. That's what they are inviting into the UK these days, en masse. The British media covers it up. They won't tell you the truth about your "Del Boy".

1) Chisora ain't my 'hero'.

2) This is a boxing forum. Non-boxing related events are totally irrelevant. So it doesn't matter what Chisora was outside of boxing before.

[Ilya Muromets]

Your hero, Chisora, is a long time criminal, Luis. There used to be, and maybe you can still find it, an article online from the Zimbabwe news entitled "armed robber makes good in UK boxing". He was an armed robber in Africa. That's what they are inviting into the UK these days, en masse. The British media covers it up. They won't tell you the truth about your "Del Boy".

1) Chisora ain't my 'hero'.

2) This is a boxing forum. Non-boxing related events are totally irrelevant. So it doesn't matter what Chisora was outside of boxing before.

Well it sounds like he is by the way you rather fanatically pursue your specious arguments on this thread. Even tho Pov is over 4 years older than C he is ranked #3 in the world by BoxRec. C is ranked #11. I think almost everyone would agree that P is in a higher league both as a boxer and as a person. And even sticking strictly to boxing i think that Chisora should have been banned for spitting in Wlad's face and also threatening to shoot Haye.

[Evander]

Chisora has had more fight in him than Povetkin.

[dagilechia]

What are Povetkin's best opponents? Takam? Chisora has already beaten him too. Everyone else isn't that relevant anymore, since Takam is Povetkin's best opponent of the last few years that he beat, and Chisora has also beaten him by stoppage.

Overall, Chisora faced better opponents and this isn't even up for debate!

Povetkin's resume only looks good on paper because it's deceptive and manufactured.

Chagaev, Wach, Rahman, Boswell and many many others, what's the best guy Chisora has ever beaten?

A shot Chagaev who was stopped by Wladimir Klitschko before and then brutally stopped by Lucas Browne? No thanks! Beating such an opponent like Chagaev isn't impressive!

Wach? You mean the guy who was beaten from pillar to post by Wladimir Klitschko and then stopped by Jarrell Miller later on. Again, no thanks! What has Wach ever done in his career that makes him such an impressive opponent to beat?

Rahman? You mean a totally shot to bits Rahman, that never should've even been in the ring? Pretty pathetic, if you're going to list names like that to make someone's resume / record look impressive.

Boswell? You mean a 40 year old, shot Boswell who was schooling Povetkin in the early rounds with a simple jab, until his legs and stamina was gone in the later rounds due to his old age? That wouldn't be a fight I'd use to make Povetkin look impressive, because that fight actually exposed Povetkin where Povetkin looked extremely clumsy.

Chisora has just stopped Takam. Povetkin's best knockout win in years. Other than that, Chisora hasn't wasted his time with scrubs that Povetkin has fought. Instead, he went straight to the deep end, fighting elite opponent after elite opponent like Vitali Klitshcko, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and Tyson Fury twice. That is, despite having fewer fights. Whilst Povetkin on the other hand, despite having more fights, has only fought two elite opponents in Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua. Losing to both! Therefore, both are roughly on the same level. Since both have been failures at the ABSOLUTE very top. Low level heavyweights like Rahman, Boswell and Wach aren't relevant. Chisora would do a number on all of them too. Just like how he did a number on Takam, who looked helpless against Chisora and was stopped 2 rounds quicker.

Wach stopped by Miller? You clearly haven't watched this fight.

[Onetimeonly]

Lol, rahman was crippled in that fight. Not that it changes how absurd comparing chisora to povetkin is, but rock was completely shot and on one leg. I'm surprised so many think pulev would trouble povetkin. Also surprised to read that po etkin would fight anyone after he ducked wlad for years.

[tiny_acres]

Lol, rahman was crippled in that fight. Not that it changes how absurd comparing chisora to povetkin is, but rock was completely shot and on one leg. I'm surprised so many think pulev would trouble povetkin. Also surprised to read that po etkin would fight anyone after he ducked wlad for years.

I will admit. He drug his feet going after Wlad. He passed up 2 mandatory shots with his management saying he wasn't ready yet.
Good memory on that it's been a while since Povetkin was that young guy needing more experience

[Onetimeonly]

Lol, rahman was crippled in that fight. Not that it changes how absurd comparing chisora to povetkin is, but rock was completely shot and on one leg. I'm surprised so many think pulev would trouble povetkin. Also surprised to read that po etkin would fight anyone after he ducked wlad for years.

I will admit. He drug his feet going after Wlad. He passed up 2 mandatory shots with his management saying he wasn't ready yet.
Good memory on that it's been a while since Povetkin was that young guy needing more experience

He also had help with the massive hypocrite Atlas for a couple fights. Wouldn't surprise me if povetkin was willing and teddy steered him away for a couple paydays. Total scumbag. Pretty sure povetkin also tripped on a tree root and pulled out of a scheduled bout with wlad