GGG: an all time middleweight great?

[Boxerbeetle]

He makes the top 20. Not the top 10.

[Onetimeonly]

5 of those fights were above 160.

6 actually

And if he'd have mentioned Kelly Pavlik, which is one of his most impressive wins, it would be 7.

AND Jermain Taylor is on that list. Hopkins lost twice to him.

Hopkins is a better fighter than GGG but that list is very flawed.

I meant counting winky at 60. You're right I didn't even see Roy listed, , I refused to pay attention to that then.

[Cyclops]

5 of those fights were above 160.

6 actually

And if he'd have mentioned Kelly Pavlik, which is one of his most impressive wins, it would be 7.

AND Jermain Taylor is on that list. Hopkins lost twice to him.

Hopkins is a better fighter than GGG but that list is very flawed.

I meant counting winky at 60. You're right I didn't even see Roy listed, , I refused to pay attention to that then.

See, Hopkins was a 175 fighter who managed to make it all the way down to 160. GGG (who I genuinely really like) is a natural 160 lb fighter. He's too small for super middle, let alone LHW. He was obviously avoided, and ducked by Cotto and Canelo (who would have been his Trinidad and De La Hoya in braver times) until he was old and showed vulnerabilities so he didn't get his defining wins. The fact that everybody was so terrified of him in his prime should be taken into account, but it still won't count for that much. I don't think Canelo is a great fighter historically and I have him maybe just below GGG, despite what the judges say. They're still close.

Disregarding weight, Hopkins shits on both. They'll never top him.

[Onetimeonly]

I'd bet that Hopkins walked around lighter than ggg.

[Cyclops]

I'd bet that Hopkins walked around lighter than ggg.

No way.

[tiny_acres]

I'd bet that Hopkins walked around lighter than ggg.

No way.

Hopkins was always in fighting shape.
I'd bet he walked around less tha GGG does

[Onetimeonly]

I'd bet that Hopkins walked around lighter than ggg.

No way.

He was like Floyd and hagler, clean living and hard training. Dude was a Spartan.

[boxing_rocks]

hops mw resume wasnt filled with standout names but its still better then gggs

No, it is not. Plus Bernard had to fall off the ring to not get an L.

[jamamb]

it definetly is better then gggs

a guy like darren barker wouldve been a top 2 win for ggg

[Onetimeonly]

it definetly is better then gggs

a guy like darren barker wouldve been a top 2 win for ggg

Lol, that's pushing it.

[Ricky]

it definetly is better then gggs

a guy like darren barker wouldve been a top 2 win for ggg

Don't you mean Darren Baker

Regardless, that's stupid. Even Gaele is a better fighter than the best version of Barker.

[jamamb]

nah barker beat geale fair and square while geale was at his career high. geale had won the ibf title in germany vs slyvestor, then made a couple of defenses, then unified vs sturm, then widely avenged the mundine lost.

he did this and was on a real good run when barker beat him. barker gave sergio some real problems too and wouldve done more if he hadnt had the injury problems he did

[Onetimeonly]

Ouma has a better resume then Barker. Gave ggg a tougher fight than Barker would have too.

[apollo creed]

Lol at some delusional guys. We are talking about natural 160 lbs pounders, not bloated up welters. Tito was a great ww fighter but weight divisions are made for a reason. GGG also beat a top-notch welter in his prime like Kell Brook but we know that doesn't mean so much in terms of 160 lbs all time greatness.

Bottom line is Canelo, Jacobs and even Lemieux/Murray trumps over Mercado, Glen Johnson and Joppy in terms of quality wins, period! Also another aspect of the greatness is that GGG was and is a clean tested fighter.

[geronimo]

Golovkin for me he could be in the top 15/20 middleweight all time, not in the top ten. The questiuon is: who we must remove in the top ten ti put golovkin? For me, there's no place in the yop ten for Gennady.

[apollo creed]

Imagine if GGG was black or latino!! He would've been sanctified and idolatrized as the supreme king of the middleweights! But because he's an Euro-Asiatic fighter from Kazahstan his ATG status is diminished a lot by some people.

Btw Jermall Charlo has a weak resume at mw than Maciej Sulecki, yet some people hype him like the next Hagler or SRL. Imagine if Jermall had GGG's resume/performances at mw, they would compare Charlo with Ali or SRR in terms of greatness.

[jamamb]

it doesnt go all one way, if he were black im almost sure he wouldnt have such vehement support from certain groups of fans. the type of fans who will keep hating ridiculously on wilder even though hes the fun as f@ck ko artist they otherise seem to want so badly

change a fighters race and you will almost surely lose some on one end and gain on the other

[apollo creed]

it doesnt go all one way, if he were black im almost sure he wouldnt have such vehement support from certain groups of fans. the type of fans who will keep hating ridiculously on wilder even though hes the fun as f@ck ko artist they otherise seem to want so badly

change a fighters race and you will almost surely lose some on one end and gain on the other

A good ex: Jermall Charlo has a weaker resume at mw than Maciej Sulecki, yet some people hype him like the next Hagler or SRL. Imagine if Jermall had GGG's resume/performances at mw, they would compare Charlo with Ali or SRR in terms of greatness.

[jamamb]

lol, you want to talk huge hype, look at ggg. and that was even before he started racking up the b level wins. you had talk of him being the best mw ever

hype and bias isnt limited to a certain race

[Thomastearns]

Imagine if GGG was black or latino!! He would've been sanctified and idolatrized as the supreme king of the middleweights! But because he's an Euro-Asiatic fighter from Kazahstan his ATG status is diminished a lot by some people.

Btw Jermall Charlo has a weak resume at mw than Maciej Sulecki, yet some people hype him like the next Hagler or SRL. Imagine if Jermall had GGG's resume/performances at mw, they would compare Charlo with Ali or SRR in terms of greatness.

Absolutely. Well said.

In boxing where you're from and who you are feeding, or more likely who's feeding off you, is everything.

Like most things in life, boxing is subject to the laws of economics - and the feeding frenzy that inevitably ensues.

[apollo creed]

Imagine if GGG was black or latino!! He would've been sanctified and idolatrized as the supreme king of the middleweights! But because he's an Euro-Asiatic fighter from Kazahstan his ATG status is diminished a lot by some people.

Btw Jermall Charlo has a weak resume at mw than Maciej Sulecki, yet some people hype him like the next Hagler or SRL. Imagine if Jermall had GGG's resume/performances at mw, they would compare Charlo with Ali or SRR in terms of greatness.

Absolutely. Well said.

In boxing where you're from and who you are feeding, or more likely who's feeding off you, is everything.

Like most things in life, boxing is subject to the laws of economics - and the feeding frenzy that inevitably ensues.

[apollo creed]

lol, you want to talk huge hype, look at ggg. and that was even before he started racking up the b level wins. you had talk of him being the best mw ever

hype and bias isnt limited to a certain race

????

GGG's hype was real and it was based on:

Amateur Career
Golovkin vs. Andre Dirrell at the 2004 Olympic Games

Amateur Record: Widely reported as 345-5, but records show he had at least 8 losses. [1]
2000 Light Welterweight Gold Medalist at the World Junior Championships in Budapest, Hungary. Results were:
Defeated Hao Yen Kuo (Chinese Taipei) RSC 3
Defeated Alexander Renz (Germany) PTS (26-7)
Defeated Benjamin Kalinovic (Sweden) PTS (21-10)
Defeated Evgeni Putilov (Russia) PTS (24-10)
Defeated Maikel Perez (Cuba) PTS (30-17)
2001 Welterweight Gold Medalist at the East Asian Games in Osaka, Japan. Results were:
Defeated Soo-Young Kim (South Korea) RSC 3
Defeated Chi Wangsong (China) RSC 3
Defeated Daniel Geale (Australia) 15-3
2002 Light Middleweight Silver Medalist at the World Cup (Team Competition) in Astana, Kazakhstan. Results were:
Defeated Javid Taghiev (Azerbaijan) PTS (19-8)
Defeated Foster Nkodo (Cameroon) RSCO 3
Defeated Andrey Balanov (Russia) PTS (10-7)
Defeated Damian Austin (Cuba) PTS (6-4)
2002 Light Middleweight Gold Medalist at the Asian Games in Busan, South Korea. Results were:
Defeated Abdullah Shekib (Afghanistan) AB 1
Defeated Nagimeldin Adam (Qatar) RSCO 1
Defeated Song In Joon (South Korea) PTS (18-12)
Defeated Suriya Prasathinpimai (Thailand) RSCO 3
2003 Middleweight Gold Medalist at the World Championships in Bangkok, Thailand. Results were:
Defeated Matvey Korobov (Russia) PTS (19-10)
Defeated Andy Lee (Ireland) PTS (29-9)
Defeated Lucian Bute (Romania) KO 4
Defeated Yordanis Despaigne (Cuba) PTS (29-26)
Defeated Oleg Mashkin (Ukraine) RSCI-2
2004 Middleweight Silver Medalist at the Olympic Games in Athens, Greece. His results were:
Defeated Ali Ahmed Khan (Pakistan) 31-10
Defeated Ramadan Yasser (Egypt) 31-20
Defeated Andre Dirrell (United States) 23-18
Lost to Gaydarbek Gaydarbekov (Russia) 18-28
2005 Middleweight Bronze Medalist at the World Cup (Team Competition) in Moscow, Russia. Results were:
Defeated Anatoli Kavtaradze (Georgia) RSCI 4
Defeated Nabil Kassel (Algeria) RSCO 3
Defeated Yordanis Despaigne (Cuba) PTS (40-37)
2005 Kazakhstani middleweight representative at the World Championships in Mianyang, China. Results were:
Defeated Nikola Sjekloca (Serbia) PTS (15-12)
Lost to Mohamed Hikal (Egypt) PTS (21-27)



Not to mention the beatings that GGG gave to the other "champs" in sparrings. When he was young GGG was the real boogeyman of the mw division. Then his dectrators said that GGG must fight Ward at 168 or Lara to get their respect. LOL
The single solid mw fighter that it would've probably fought GGG back in those days is Dimitry Pirog but unfortunately he got a severe back injury.

After GGG had 3 major belts and got older the top fighters decided to take the risk vs GGG but they got beaten.

[Onetimeonly]

He's proven to be great, middle is a very deep division through history.Top 10 is laughable. I don't have a list but I'd guess anywhere from 25-40 would be right for me.

[caldo2025]

GGG is the best Middleweight that i've witnessed personally. In my book, he's still undefeated and if your book doesn't read that way then go screw. All of these idiots saying that GGG isn't an all time great are the same idiots that could talk about Povetkin every single day for some reason. It's the same pack of goons saying the same garbage. If you can't realize the greatness that GGG has brought to the sport then you don't deserve to comment on the historical significance of anything in regards to boxing.

[Enlightened-One]

Golovkin is a Hall-of-Famer but definitely not an "all-time-great", because his resume is poor in comparison to the genuine legends of the sport.