Kickboxing?

[Boxerbeetle]

[HomicideHenry]

Someone better make the "K" and uppercase one.

[John]

We are recording it for the commissions http://kickrec.com/

[HomicideHenry]

We are recording it for the commissions http://kickrec.com/

That's cool.

I always felt the MMA & Kickboxing databases were lackluster.

About time BoxRec branched out into other areas.

[leejonesjnr]

Pointless.
It’s a dreadfully run sport very much along the lines of unlicensed boxing in how it is run, with a few decent promotions sat on top.
There is absolutely no chance of keeping a meaningful record.

[Evander]

Sign of the times.
MMA has come along way from the early days of the ratchet events.
The moment I realized it was bigger than what I had thought was around 2005-2006.
They have some good professional athletes and the sport has an edge and unpredictability about it that's appealing.

[HomicideHenry]

Pointless.
It’s a dreadfully fun sport very much along the lines of unlicensed boxing in how it is run, with a few decent promotions sat on top.
There is absolutely no chance of keeping a meaningful record.

MMA proves that the modern boxing axiom "undefeated records mean everything" to be absolutely false. Fans love people who can fight regardless of their record. Once upon a time boxing didn't care about perfect records--- because usually that meant nobody was fighting anyone worth anything. Look at the PPV numbers for MMA and its headliners over the passed decade, and its mainly guys like Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, etc who don't have perfect records.

MMA also knows how to market fighters--- once upon a time you saw boxers in all the commercials, like Sugar Ray Leonard and his famous ads for 7UP or even Carlos Palomino and the Miller Lite ads. Now MMA guys are on everything from shoes to Burger King commercials as if they were basketball stars. Boxing may be where the money is at--- but it's certainly not the "Working Class" sport anymore.

[Boxerbeetle]

Someone better make the "K" and uppercase one.

Yeah it’s bugging me much more than it should, someone needs to fix that ASAP.

[leejonesjnr]

Pointless.
It’s a dreadfully fun sport very much along the lines of unlicensed boxing in how it is run, with a few decent promotions sat on top.
There is absolutely no chance of keeping a meaningful record.

MMA proves that the modern boxing axiom "undefeated records mean everything" to be absolutely false. Fans love people who can fight regardless of their record. Once upon a time boxing didn't care about perfect records--- because usually that meant nobody was fighting anyone worth anything. Look at the PPV numbers for MMA and its headliners over the passed decade, and its mainly guys like Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, etc who don't have perfect records.

MMA also knows how to market fighters--- once upon a time you saw boxers in all the commercials, like Sugar Ray Leonard and his famous ads for 7UP or even Carlos Palomino and the Miller Lite ads. Now MMA guys are on everything from shoes to Burger King commercials as if they were basketball stars. Boxing may be where the money is at--- but it's certainly not the "Working Class" sport anymore.

At first I was utterly bewildered as to why you had quoted my post to make your point. I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. When I mentioned records I meant the act of keeping records not individual fighters career results. Kickboxing is not properly run, has many rule sets and the vast majority of pro promotions are really not very ‘pro’ at all. Keeping a record of the sport is an almost impossible and entirely worthless endeavour.

[HomicideHenry]

It certainly would be difficult to do "inactive kickboxer" records from the 90's and prior because, you're right, alot of that stuff was never really documented as much or as precise--- even today I suppose you would have to get the results directly from the promotions themselves.

[Oiky]

Kickboxing ain't what it was in it's 90s heyday, but I still follows it, glory has some cracking fights

But I do prefer me Muay Thai , I follow MT a lot closer than I do KB , cracking sport

[jamamb]

prefer k1 style rules....the full muay tha a lot of what ive seen becomes too clinch focused and hard to get momentum in those fghts

[Oiky]

The clinch in MT is brutal and where a lot of damage is done, clinching I find is the same as how wrestling can be in mma, off putting to some people

When you get guys like Samson issan, rodtung, yodkhunpon, Nathan Ward, dieselnoi that can really f*ck you up in the clinch/close range you see guys get cut like someone's took a stanley to them

To really learn clinching in MT you won't be fully versed in it til you go out to Thailand and train and it takes alotof energy from a fighter

Looks messy but a lot can be done in the clinch under thai rules

[littlepug]

The clinch in MT is brutal and where a lot of damage is done, clinching I find is the same as how wrestling can be in mma, off putting to some people

When you get guys like Samson issan, rodtung, yodkhunpon, Nathan Ward, dieselnoi that can really f*ck you up in the clinch/close range you see guys get cut like someone's took a stanley to them

To really learn clinching in MT you won't be fully versed in it til you go out to Thailand and train and it takes alotof energy from a fighter

Looks messy but a lot can be done in the clinch under thai rules

Did a bit of Muay Thai before i went to boxing, the clinching and knee work in close is brutal and can be just as effective on the street, if i had kids i would have them training in Muay Thai, great for self defence.

[Oiky]

The clinch in MT is brutal and where a lot of damage is done, clinching I find is the same as how wrestling can be in mma, off putting to some people

When you get guys like Samson issan, rodtung, yodkhunpon, Nathan Ward, dieselnoi that can really f*ck you up in the clinch/close range you see guys get cut like someone's took a stanley to them

To really learn clinching in MT you won't be fully versed in it til you go out to Thailand and train and it takes alotof energy from a fighter

Looks messy but a lot can be done in the clinch under thai rules

Did a bit of Muay Thai before i went to boxing, the clinching and knee work in close is brutal and can be just as effective on the street, if i had kids i would have them training in Muay Thai, great for self defence.

Yeah you need to have a go at MT to understand the clinch don't you, very brutal mate and the fight to gain a better position is very taxing.

Don't blame you mate, quality for self defence

[mrdonleon]

Kickboxing ain't what it was in it's 90s heyday, but I still follows it, glory has some cracking fights

But I do prefer me Muay Thai , I follow MT a lot closer than I do KB , cracking sport

True! For me as a dutch guy its very good to see that kickboxing is making a return. Here in The Netherlands it is finally accepted in the main stream, Glory has sold out arenas and they recently signed some very talented fighters. Also as a kickboxing fan i love the tournaments Glory has, they just announced a heavyweight tournament in December. Hell yes!

[Oiky]

Kickboxing ain't what it was in it's 90s heyday, but I still follows it, glory has some cracking fights

But I do prefer me Muay Thai , I follow MT a lot closer than I do KB , cracking sport

True! For me as a dutch guy its very good to see that kickboxing is making a return. Here in The Netherlands it is finally accepted in the main stream, Glory has sold out arenas and they recently signed some very talented fighters. Also as a kickboxing fan i love the tournaments Glory has, they just announced a heavyweight tournament in December. Hell yes!

It's a wonder it took it so long to become a major sport over there, fighters like Ramon dekkers were ruthless and very fan friendly, yeah glorys signing better & better fighters all the time

I'm looking forward to the heavyweight tournament

[banjo]

I always enjoyed watching kickboxing from a young age, but I could never get my head around what's what.

I don't watch as much as I used to and what I do catch is usually on YT, that Scouse lad Kev Ward looks alright, he holds a few titles I think.

[gilgamesh]

Glad to see a Kickboxing section on this forum now. I've recently taken quite a liking to Kickboxing. Love watching it pretty much as much as Boxing. A wonderfully entertaining sport.

[Oiky]

Looking forward to Thomas mozny debut at glory 62 Anyone see nieky holzken debut in ONE FC, whatta ko

[m1kee50]

My uncle was a World Champion kickboxer.
Recently been to a few shows to watch fighters from our gym in unlicensed bouts, alongside K-1, KB, MT bouts. Seem on the whole better run and less favourable to the home fighters, than out-and-out unlicensed or white-collar boxing cards.