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Bob Arum Gets Personal With Al Haymon – Comes Up With A New Nickname For Him

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"Bob Arum Gets Personal With Al Haymon – Comes Up With A New Nickname For Him"

Bob Arum appears to have ignited his (one way) war of words towards powerful boxing adviser and Premier Boxing Champions founder Al Haymon.

This seems to have happened in recent weeks following former Arum promoted fighter Manny Pacquiao signing a deal with Haymon to work closely for the end of his career.

Arum has wished Pacquiao nothing but the best moving forward but continues to take shots at Haymon.

His latest rant at Haymon has dubbed him as a ‘cancer’ to the sport of boxing.

Speaking to Villainfy Media, Arum said of trying to make a unification welterweight fight with Haymon for Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence:

“He could fight Spence but obviously Mr.Cancer (referring to Al Haymon) won’t allow it. It’s Al Haymon. I’m telling you we’d do that fight tomorrow. You are talking to me but good luck with you talking to Haymon. I mean, how is it a guy can hide behind everything and none of you (reporters) ever talk to him. I mean, is that being a reporter? You get it from one side and then you ask why the fight isn’t happening and I’m telling you the fight isn’t happening because of Mr.Cancer and you guys can’t talk to him?”

In terms of the fight itself, Spence vs Crawford is probably the best fight in the whole welterweight division that can be made at the moment.


Thooughts? :confused:
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My personal opinion…

Al Haymon doesn’t talk to the media. He never does. So his rivals are able to say whatever they want about him and it won’t be challenged. Fight fans will never receive both sides of the story.

Let’s not forget a few pertinent facts though:

• The PBC typically pay their fighters bigger paydays than those provided by Top Rank
• The PBC are content providers for Showtime/Fox and are Top Rank’s rivals, where Bob Arum provides boxing content for ESPN
• Top Rank filed multiple lawsuits against Al Haymon, but never won any of them
• The PBC roster of fighters is absolutely massive in comparison to Top Ranks and the boxers affiliated to Al Haymon never seem to say a bad word about him, but the same can’t be said of Bob Arum
• There is no evidence of Bob Arum ever initiating contract negotiations with any of Errol Spence Jr’s handlers. In fact, Top Rank have previously claimed that they wouldn’t even consider arranging the Terence Crawford match-up until next year (as the bout needs time to marinate)

I’m not taking sides here, but what I’ve written in this post is factually accurate. None of these things are up for debate.
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Arum is just trying to get Haymon to open his mouth. Or at least trying to get the press to hound him a bit more.

Frankly, it's disgusting they don't chase him more, with the level of influence he has on the sport.

The points you made are fair, except it should be noted most of the lawsuits against Haymon were settled out of court - that usually suggests one side doesn't want certain information reaching the public domain (although acceptance of a settlement also suggests sufficient evidence may be slightly lacking).

It is what it is. Promoters talking shít about each other, while not allowing their fighters to fight on opposing networks. They're all pretty much the same as each other.
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Deleted_Scenes wrote: 24 Oct 2018, 06:54The points you made are fair, except it should be noted most of the lawsuits against Haymon were settled out of court - that usually suggests one side doesn't want certain information reaching the public domain (although acceptance of a settlement also suggests sufficient evidence may be slightly lacking).
I’m not a believer in the “no smoke without fire” justice system…

Al Haymon didn’t settle the Main Events lawsuit. Kathy Duva was compelled to drop that due to her inability to prove financial losses, since GBP’s Bernard Hopkins took Adonis’ Stevenson’s place by agreeing to face Sergey Kovalev instead.

I believe that Haymon and GBP were no longer affiliated with each other when this occurred.

Top Rank’s $100m anti-trust lawsuit was instantly dismissed by the judge who reviewed the case and then Bob Arum agreed to settle the second time it was filed. The terms of the settlement were never disclosed, but the popular belief was due to the prospects of a potential rematch between Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Bob Arum actually stated that he’d be “p¡ssed if they [as in Haymon's side] said anything about” the settlement.

The Golden Boy $300m lawsuit was also dismissed very quickly by the Federal Judge who reviewed it.

Both judges who presided over the Top Rank and Golden Boy lawsuits claimed that the plaintiffs were unable to present any evidence to support their claims.

Top Rank and Golden Boy were seeking to obtain a combined total of $400m in damages from Al Haymon and both failed miserably. Main Events dropped their case because they realised it was futile.

All we ever hear about from the media is bad things about Al Haymon, but they almost never present the PBC bosses side of the argument.

I’m not saying he’s innocent, but I can’t jump to conclusions based on only hearing one side of the proverbial story either.
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Haymon is in fact a cancer on boxing body.
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pretty much all the sh!t al gets can be applied just as much or more to any other

look at some of the bobs top rank trash, like zurdo vs mudget nobodies, look at how top rank loves in house too ...why so sure its haymon in the way of cross company fights
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jamamb wrote: 24 Oct 2018, 09:17 pretty much all the sh!t al gets can be applied just as much or more to any other

look at some of the bobs top rank trash, like zurdo vs mudget nobodies, look at how top rank loves in house too ...why so sure its haymon in the way of cross company fights
According to some on here Haymon is to blame for anything and everything that has ever happened bad in boxing.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 24 Oct 2018, 08:53 I’m not saying he’s innocent, but I can’t jump to conclusions based on only hearing one side of the proverbial story either.
I'll be honest and admit I don't like the man.

But I'll be fair and say the same applies to pretty much all boxing promoters.

In an ideal world, the promoters are employed by the boxers, to maximise earnings and potential, and find them the best opportunities (regardless of where those opportunities lie), for which they are rewarded financially, via a % of the boxers earnings.

What actually happens, is the promoters run the sport, the boxers do as they're told, and we fans get an endless cycle of "factions" and "cold wars".

Haymon is a cancer on the sport. So is Arum, Oscar, Hearn, Warren, etc, etc, etc. (I know Haymon is technically not a 'promoter').

Not new, won't change, rant over. :Lol:
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Nothing new is it, promoters tormenting and throwing dirt at one another
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Deleted_Scenes wrote: 24 Oct 2018, 12:28
Enlightened-One wrote: 24 Oct 2018, 08:53 I’m not saying he’s innocent, but I can’t jump to conclusions based on only hearing one side of the proverbial story either.
I'll be honest and admit I don't like the man.

But I'll be fair and say the same applies to pretty much all boxing promoters.

In an ideal world, the promoters are employed by the boxers, to maximise earnings and potential, and find them the best opportunities (regardless of where those opportunities lie), for which they are rewarded financially, via a % of the boxers earnings.

What actually happens, is the promoters run the sport, the boxers do as they're told, and we fans get an endless cycle of "factions" and "cold wars".

Haymon is a cancer on the sport. So is Arum, Oscar, Hearn, Warren, etc, etc, etc. (I know Haymon is technically not a 'promoter').

Not new, won't change, rant over. :Lol:
At what point does a promoter become a cancer?

I'd say it's when they stop promoting fights and start preventing them.
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Yes, all big promoters sometimes protect their fighters, but Haymon is an extreme case of that. His top fighters are EXTREMELY inactive and cherry pick most of the times. Another thing which makes him worse than others is that he can't be confronted by reporters, so his wrongdoings go unpunished.
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Don't like the nickname it sucks and that's it for that.

Bob is talking like he wants the fight but what conditions will be on it is the question.
A one off ... That would be incredible I'd love to see it.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 24 Oct 2018, 15:24 Yes, all big promoters sometimes protect their fighters, but Haymon is an extreme case of that. His top fighters are EXTREMELY inactive and cherry pick most of the times.
If you review the bouts involving Al Haymon's big-name stablemates who campaigned in recent years weighing between 140lbs and 147lbs, then it seems clear that he hasn't protected his fighters at all:

• Adrien Broner fought: Paulie Malignaggi, Marcos Maidana, Shawn Porter; Mikey Garcia; Jessie Vargas and is likely to face his new PBC stablemate, Manny Pacquiao, next.
• Andre Berto fought: Luis Collazo, Robert Guerrero, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Josesito Lopez, Victor Ortiz, Shawn Porter and Devon Alexander.
• Luis Collazo fought: Andre Berto, Amir Khan, Victor Ortiz and Keith Thurman.
• Danny Garcia fought: Robert Guerrero, Amir Khan, Paulie Malignaggi, Lamont Peterson, Keith Thurman, Brandon Rios and Shawn Porter.
• Robert Guerrero fought: Andre Berto, Danny Garcia, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Keith Thurman, Omar Figueroa Jr.
• Amir Khan fought: Luis Collazo, Danny Garcia, Paulie Malignaggi, Marcos Maidana, Victor Ortiz and Lamont Peterson.
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. fought: Andre Berto, Robert Guerrero, Marcos Maidana and Victor Ortiz.
• Josesito Lopez fought: Andre Berto, Marcos Maidana and Victor Ortiz.
• Paulie Malignaggi fought: Adrien Broner, Danny Garcia, Amir Khan and Shawn Porter.
• Marcos Maidana fought: Adrien Broner, Amir Khan, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Josesito Lopez and Victor Ortiz.
• Victor Ortiz fought: Andre Berto, Luis Collazo, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Josesito Lopez, Marcos Maidana, Lamont Peterson and Devon Alexander.
• Lamont Peterson fought: Danny Garcia, Amir Khan, Victor Ortiz and Errol Spence Jr.
• Shawn Porter fought: Adrien Broner, Andre Berto, Keith Thurman, Devon Alexander, Paulie Malignaggi and Danny Garcia.
• Keith Thurman fought: Luis Collazo, Robert Guerrero, Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia.

Of course, this list isn't exhaustive as there may have been a few additional key bouts I've excluded or fighters that I haven't listed.

All boxing content providers prefer to stage bouts involving their own stable of fighters, rather than working with their rivals, so what makes Al Haymon's actions heinously objectionable to you? Why do you hate him more than other promoters?

How does the above list compare to the in-house bouts involving fighters that have campaigned between the 140lbs and 147lbs weight classes in recent years that are stablemates for the likes of Top Rank, Golden Boy, Main Events, Saunderland, Queensberry or Matchroom? :-?

Also, one of the outcomes of the GBP lawsuit that was almost instantly dismissed by a federal judge (as the case didn't go to trial), was that there was irrefutable proof of both Golden Boy and HBO flatly-refusing to work with Al Haymon (unless under exceptional circumstances, such as bouts involving mega-money PPV buys). I believe that since Top Rank were also tied to HBO, then this would have applied to them also.

The PBC chief was able to prove that his fighters were in fact allowed to compete on rival TV networks and promotions.

I can even furnish you with a copy of the actual full summary judgement of the "Golden Boy vs. Al Haymon" lawsuit if you feel compelled to dispute this claim?

Therefore, what has Al Haymon actually SAID that has offended you so deeply? :-?
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Your list going back many years is worthless. Many of Haymon's top fighters don't even fight twice a year. Also, when somebody like Thurman fights Collazo or Guerrero, it is cherry picking. Garcia fighting Rios or Malignaggi is cherry picking.

It is not what Haymon is saying what makes me mad but what he is doing. If his fighters were under let's say Hearn, we would see a lot more exciting fights.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 24 Oct 2018, 04:28 My personal opinion…

Al Haymon doesn’t talk to the media. He never does. So his rivals are able to say whatever they want about him and it won’t be challenged. Fight fans will never receive both sides of the story.

Let’s not forget a few pertinent facts though:

• The PBC typically pay their fighters bigger paydays than those provided by Top Rank
• The PBC are content providers for Showtime/Fox and are Top Rank’s rivals, where Bob Arum provides boxing content for ESPN
• Top Rank filed multiple lawsuits against Al Haymon, but never won any of them
• The PBC roster of fighters is absolutely massive in comparison to Top Ranks and the boxers affiliated to Al Haymon never seem to say a bad word about him, but the same can’t be said of Bob Arum
• There is no evidence of Bob Arum ever initiating contract negotiations with any of Errol Spence Jr’s handlers. In fact, Top Rank have previously claimed that they wouldn’t even consider arranging the Terence Crawford match-up until next year (as the bout needs time to marinate)

I’m not taking sides here, but what I’ve written in this post is factually accurate. None of these things are up for debate.
Dude, just ask Haymon if you could blow him already and get it over with will ya? Tired of the endless childish flirting. Do it already so we can be saved from these posts that are unreadable. I dry heave a sentence into ur stuff every time. I try. I’m a tryer. But unreadable stuff.

The sports going in the toilet and your boy toy is the one holding most of the blame. Deal with it
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caldo2025 wrote: 25 Oct 2018, 13:14
Enlightened-One wrote: 24 Oct 2018, 04:28 My personal opinion…

Al Haymon doesn’t talk to the media. He never does. So his rivals are able to say whatever they want about him and it won’t be challenged. Fight fans will never receive both sides of the story.

Let’s not forget a few pertinent facts though:

• The PBC typically pay their fighters bigger paydays than those provided by Top Rank
• The PBC are content providers for Showtime/Fox and are Top Rank’s rivals, where Bob Arum provides boxing content for ESPN
• Top Rank filed multiple lawsuits against Al Haymon, but never won any of them
• The PBC roster of fighters is absolutely massive in comparison to Top Ranks and the boxers affiliated to Al Haymon never seem to say a bad word about him, but the same can’t be said of Bob Arum
• There is no evidence of Bob Arum ever initiating contract negotiations with any of Errol Spence Jr’s handlers. In fact, Top Rank have previously claimed that they wouldn’t even consider arranging the Terence Crawford match-up until next year (as the bout needs time to marinate)

I’m not taking sides here, but what I’ve written in this post is factually accurate. None of these things are up for debate.
Dude, just ask Haymon if you could blow him already and get it over with will ya? Tired of the endless childish flirting. Do it already so we can be saved from these posts that are unreadable. I dry heave a sentence into ur stuff every time. I try. I’m a tryer. But unreadable stuff.

The sports going in the toilet and your boy toy is the one holding most of the blame. Deal with it
So in other words, you’re frustrated as hell that I’ve listed a load of facts you can’t refute, so you're compelled to attack the arguer, since you can’t do fȕck all about challenging my argument? :lol:

Good lad! Thanks for conceding defeat and for confirming to the forum that the points I’ve made are factually-accurate! :TU:
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Enlightened-One wrote: 26 Oct 2018, 05:32
caldo2025 wrote: 25 Oct 2018, 13:14
Enlightened-One wrote: 24 Oct 2018, 04:28 My personal opinion…

Al Haymon doesn’t talk to the media. He never does. So his rivals are able to say whatever they want about him and it won’t be challenged. Fight fans will never receive both sides of the story.

Let’s not forget a few pertinent facts though:

• The PBC typically pay their fighters bigger paydays than those provided by Top Rank
• The PBC are content providers for Showtime/Fox and are Top Rank’s rivals, where Bob Arum provides boxing content for ESPN
• Top Rank filed multiple lawsuits against Al Haymon, but never won any of them
• The PBC roster of fighters is absolutely massive in comparison to Top Ranks and the boxers affiliated to Al Haymon never seem to say a bad word about him, but the same can’t be said of Bob Arum
• There is no evidence of Bob Arum ever initiating contract negotiations with any of Errol Spence Jr’s handlers. In fact, Top Rank have previously claimed that they wouldn’t even consider arranging the Terence Crawford match-up until next year (as the bout needs time to marinate)

I’m not taking sides here, but what I’ve written in this post is factually accurate. None of these things are up for debate.
Dude, just ask Haymon if you could blow him already and get it over with will ya? Tired of the endless childish flirting. Do it already so we can be saved from these posts that are unreadable. I dry heave a sentence into ur stuff every time. I try. I’m a tryer. But unreadable stuff.

The sports going in the toilet and your boy toy is the one holding most of the blame. Deal with it
So in other words, you’re frustrated as hell that I’ve listed a load of facts you can’t refute, so you're compelled to attack the arguer, since you can’t do fȕck all about challenging my argument? :lol:

Good lad! Thanks for conceding defeat and for confirming to the forum that the points I’ve made are factually-accurate! :TU:
Oh sure it's factual but can't you see that those bullet points you cut and pasted illustrate exactly why Haymon has killed this sport? I am not trying to be a dick but are you so dim that you can't see it? Let me help you...here they are again along with comments to help you understand:

• The PBC typically pay their fighters bigger paydays than those provided by Top Rank-Haymon is paying boxers more money to fight inferior opponents. No one is worse than Haymon Fighters when it comes to Resume Padding. Where's the incentive for these fighters to take on the biggest challenges when they can make the same money fighting chumps?

• The PBC are content providers for Showtime/Fox and are Top Rank’s rivals, where Bob Arum provides boxing content for ESPN- Multiple, proprietary pools of the sports best boxers with no chance of fighting each other is really good for the sport. We will never see Crawford vs. Spence as a result and example of many. How is this good again?

• Top Rank filed multiple lawsuits against Al Haymon, but never won any of them- Haymon skirting the Ali Act and not being subject to a promoter's restrictions like every other promoter is smart of him but horrible for us and the sport. He has way too many advantages over the competition and one day it will be properly addressed...maybe.

• The PBC roster of fighters is absolutely massive in comparison to Top Ranks and the boxers affiliated to Al Haymon never seem to say a bad word about him, but the same can’t be said of Bob Arum- It sure is massive so the majority of the sports best boxers are tied up with a company who's mission statement is "make the most money you can with the smallest amount of risk". This is the major reason we have not been able to see the fights we long for. Why we never really saw Floyd vs. Manny. Sad. How can you not see this?

• There is no evidence of Bob Arum ever initiating contract negotiations with any of Errol Spence Jr’s handlers. In fact, Top Rank have previously claimed that they wouldn’t even consider arranging the Terence Crawford match-up until next year (as the bout needs time to marinate) Don't fool yourself. This fight NEVER happens until 1 of the fighters takes over their own promotion or leaves for the other side. Arum will never let TC leave. We will never see this fight. Again, Sad.

I’m not taking sides here, but what I’ve written in this post is factually accurate. None of these things are up for debate.
We can all look at Haymon and appreciate the fact that he's a smart SOB taking full advantage of the sport and getting over on the rest of the competition but when it directly affects the product negatively like it has, how could you still sing praise for a guy like this? Don't you want to see great fights? Isn't that why we are all here? What's it been, 3 months since the last good fight to look forward on Saturday Night? Arum's right in one aspect, the guy that owns all the talent refuses to talk to the media....he just prefers to back up his dumptruck and pull out of their with all the cash.
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caldo2025 wrote: 26 Oct 2018, 08:25• The PBC typically pay their fighters bigger paydays than those provided by Top Rank-Haymon is paying boxers more money to fight inferior opponents. No one is worse than Haymon Fighters when it comes to Resume Padding. Where's the incentive for these fighters to take on the biggest challenges when they can make the same money fighting chumps?
Did you see my post that I submitted earlier on in this thread detailing the bouts involving Haymon's biggest stars at 140lbs and 147lbs?
caldo2025 wrote: 26 Oct 2018, 08:25• The PBC are content providers for Showtime/Fox and are Top Rank’s rivals, where Bob Arum provides boxing content for ESPN- Multiple, proprietary pools of the sports best boxers with no chance of fighting each other is really good for the sport. We will never see Crawford vs. Spence as a result and example of many. How is this good again?
The reason for me submitting the list of bullet points was to highlight the obvious fact that Bob Arum is Al Haymon’s rival, which means he holds an agenda. He would prefer the PBC/Showtime/Fox receive the heat from fight fans rather than ESPN/Top Rank.

And let's not forget that it takes two to tango and we've already seen plenty of fighters advised by Haymon competing on Golden Boy, Top Rank, Main Events and Matchroom fight cards? How many times have we seen a Golden Boy or a Top Rank fighter compete in a PBC event?

Did you review the judges comments in regards to Golden Boy's failed lawsuit, it was proven in court that it was GBP and HBO that were reluctant to work with Haymon, rather than the other way around.

I can provide you with details of this if you require?
caldo2025 wrote: 26 Oct 2018, 08:25• Top Rank filed multiple lawsuits against Al Haymon, but never won any of them- Haymon skirting the Ali Act and not being subject to a promoter's restrictions like every other promoter is smart of him but horrible for us and the sport. He has way too many advantages over the competition and one day it will be properly addressed...maybe.
Perhaps Al Haymon does have far too much influence in the sport of boxing, but he hasn't violated any laws, especially the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act. His fighters seem to like him also.

Are you suggesting that the legal institutions in the US create some sort of anti-Haymon legislation, which is specifically designed to weaken the PBC stance in the sport, whilst strengthening the market positions of its rivals? And how would this be implemented? Pay less to fighters, but give the promoters and TV networks bigger profits?
caldo2025 wrote: 26 Oct 2018, 08:25• The PBC roster of fighters is absolutely massive in comparison to Top Ranks and the boxers affiliated to Al Haymon never seem to say a bad word about him, but the same can’t be said of Bob Arum- It sure is massive so the majority of the sports best boxers are tied up with a company who's mission statement is "make the most money you can with the smallest amount of risk". This is the major reason we have not been able to see the fights we long for. Why we never really saw Floyd vs. Manny. Sad. How can you not see this?
A lot of fighters join Al Haymon, because of the opportunities available within the PBC, in terms of quality of opposition and the excellent paydays.

I'm sure a lot of middleweights would be sorely tempted to join DAZN for similar reasons, by signing with either GBP or Matchroom, due to their ownership of the 160lbs belts.

Al Haymon isn't doing anything his rivals aren't, but he gets more heat than them, probably because he holds a bigger market share. Oscar De La Hoya and Bob Arum also know that they can say whatever they want about Al Haymon, because the PBC chief never directly communicates with the media, resulting in fight fans only ever hearing one side of the proverbial story.
caldo2025 wrote: 26 Oct 2018, 08:25• There is no evidence of Bob Arum ever initiating contract negotiations with any of Errol Spence Jr’s handlers. In fact, Top Rank have previously claimed that they wouldn’t even consider arranging the Terence Crawford match-up until next year (as the bout needs time to marinate) Don't fool yourself. This fight NEVER happens until 1 of the fighters takes over their own promotion or leaves for the other side. Arum will never let TC leave. We will never see this fight. Again, Sad.
Bob Arum seems to forget his previous remarks about his reluctance to make a bout between Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford until late 2019. In fact, we know that Top Rank hasn't attempted to make the bout, since they haven't contacted Spence Jr's handlers.

To reiterate what I've said earlier, it takes two to tango, but for some reason Haymon recieves all the criticism, whilst Bob Arum is let off the hook.

It's not my fault that you've not been monitoring Bob Arum's remarks about the Crawford-Spence Jr. situation. If you had, then our opinions would may not be so different.

You criticise Haymon for not making this bout, but you remain strangely silent over Arum’s actions, which I feel is a tad bizarre.
caldo2025 wrote: 26 Oct 2018, 08:25I’m not taking sides here, but what I’ve written in this post is factually accurate. None of these things are up for debate.
We can all look at Haymon and appreciate the fact that he's a smart SOB taking full advantage of the sport and getting over on the rest of the competition but when it directly affects the product negatively like it has, how could you still sing praise for a guy like this? Don't you want to see great fights? Isn't that why we are all here? What's it been, 3 months since the last good fight to look forward on Saturday Night? Arum's right in one aspect, the guy that owns all the talent refuses to talk to the media....he just prefers to back up his dumptruck and pull out of their with all the cash.
I don’t know how you’re able to assume such a severe stance regarding an individual you’ve never met, never even seen talk, never read any of his interview transcripts, a person you know absolutely nothing about, but somehow you assign all the blame to him for the inability for certain marquee bouts being made, but yet you allow other boxing content providers, like Top Rank and Golden Boy, to escape criticism? Is this an example of double-standards... and if not, then please explain why?
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As far as I can see Al Haymon is a smart operator who firmly believes in appealing to boxers on purely business levels. Not too different from Bob Arum or even from Don King for that matter.

He has figured out the best way to harvest good levels of minimum risk profit from the way professional boxing is currently run. All promoters should be doing the same. However, unless they want to risk being seen as parasites, or even a cancer, they should also be doing a bit more to promote the sport.

Although I'm sure Haymon's boxers won't complain about having possibly one fight a year and a decent payout there are far better approaches out there as far as the fans are concerned

I much rather prefer the approach of someone like Eddie Hearn who works hard at attempting to cultivate the sport into regaining widespread appeal. He wants his fighters to become household names and appreciates that its only possible by keeping them busy with at least two or three fights a year. His pushing for the Khan v Brook is a case in point. It really is a case of now or never. Could you see Al Haymon doing this?

Even allegedly does a better job in this regard now that he's curbed his tendencies to throw young fighters to the lions too early. He does still insist that they keep busy and try to maintain a public profile.

I'm sure boxing fans would rather be spoilt for choice with fights rather than wait in vain for fights that will not materialise.
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Re: Bob Arum Gets Personal With Al Haymon – Comes Up With A New Nickname For Him

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Al haymon is a genius. He conned hbo, then showtime, then waddel and reed investors, and now fox to bankroll 2nd rate fights for his stable.
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Re: Bob Arum Gets Personal With Al Haymon – Comes Up With A New Nickname For Him

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Enlightened-One wrote: 26 Oct 2018, 09:40 I don’t know how you’re able to assume such a severe stance regarding an individual you’ve never met, never even seen talk, never read any of his interview transcripts, a person you know absolutely nothing about, but somehow you assign all the blame to him for the inability for certain marquee bouts being made, but yet you allow other boxing content providers, like Top Rank and Golden Boy, to escape criticism? Is this an example of double-standards... and if not, then please explain why?
No. Arum and Oscar are also parts of the problem but they are so insignificant due to their small piece of the pie in boxing now compared to Haymons that they are not even worth mentioning. I just personally see Al Haymon as a present day Don King and it should't surprise you that they both came from the same high school in Ohio. But instead of taking over boxing by screwing over boxers left and right like King did, Al's doing it by taking unfair advantages of the bylaws of an antiquated industry that flies so far under the radar here in the USA that i'd call it a cottage industry. There's a reason why Haymon left the music industry for boxing because he saw an industry still in the dark ages with regulations. Boxing is still like the Wild Wild West...he saw how easily he could skirt the sports few regulations and good for him. But they came up with the Ali Act to not only protect the boxers but the distribution of power in the sport. The problem is that it's already outdated and needs reform badly.

Advisor/Manager/Promoter - This is where Haymon is beating the system badly and Arum and Oscar is just mad that they didn't think of it first. The definitions of boxing's rolls needs to be redefined again to account for the times. Here in the US, there are specific laws protecting companies from being victims of monopolies. Haymon is VERY close to being in the monopoly category. In fact, if this were MLB, NFL or NBA...he'd never get away with it. But boxing is so low on the scale of importance here in the US that no one in government cares. It's a perfect storm for guys like Haymon to take advantage of but I do feel that one day, the government will finally step in and begin to regulate this sport. One day, Al Haymon will not be the smartest guy in the room anymore. Pretty soon they won't let Haymon get away with calling himself an "Advisor" who is exempt from the Ali Act. Investigators will clearly see the shell game Haymon has been playing with that label and his use of Sam Watson and his sons for instance...they are few of many people carrying labels for Al to be able to call himself ADVISOR.

If Haymon was putting on good shows then i'd not be so bent but he's killing this sport. He's booking dates and stadiums without having any fights scheduled for them. He's clogging up the sport and watering down the entertainment so much that it's taking the joy out of the sport to me. Guys Like Eddie Hearn are what is right about Boxing. I pray that this kid can keep it rolling and grow his stable to contend because that's what this sport has been needing forever.
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