Carl Froch's offensive skills

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I think he felt Frochs strength and was instantly wary, plus he looked a big lad in there did Froch.
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Bute had little bits of success early but got clocked in every round, Froch was unstoppable that night.
Bute had the rematch clause in Montreal but was never going to take it up, he was a broken man.
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littlepug wrote: 30 Oct 2018, 11:14 I think he felt Frochs strength and was instantly wary, plus he looked a big lad in there did Froch.
i think bute killed himself making weight. was so so gaunt.
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DrDuke wrote: 30 Oct 2018, 10:37 Croch probably was more of a fighter, than a boxer, but we shouldn't underrate his skills. He wasn't some hard-chinned brawler from the bar. He would have been outboxed against every top competitor, if he was, but he has won in almost every big fight.
Good points :TU:
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Froch was a successful amateur so he has decent fundamental boxing skills but his style was more adapt to the pro game. Some of the shots he threw were pretty unorthodox and came from mad angles. He had underrated footwork in the sense that he could cut a ring off and have his feet planted but in range when landing big shots.

I was a fan but he was never one of my favourites but I have to admit I miss him the most out of all our past fighters... He more or less guaranteed entertainment most of the time...
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i do think froch was able to fight the way he did was because he had a granite chin, which let him have his hands down low , he could land great punches , i think carl had great hands , i think froch is very much one of fighter a unique style.
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Every great fighter has a weakness or lack of something

Imagine if Paulie Malignaggi had a punch
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Proper prizefighter.
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Carl was a throwback :box:
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It was really interesting to listen to him go through all of his career on the lb4lb podcast a few weeks ago. Obviously loves to talk himself up (which he laughed at himself) but was also humble when discussing his losses all the way back to the amateurs.
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Whilst I really don’t like Froch and I do like Chris Eubank, I’ve always felt that Froch was a kind of spiritual successor to Eubank.
Both had solid but ultimately not world class boxing skills and both were elevated a few levels by their chins, gritty attitude and excellent engine.
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I liked Froch. You did not see much often these days that tougher man can defeat better boxer, but Carl Froch is that case. :box: :box: :box: And he has one of best chins ive ever seen. His ability to take clean bombs right on the chin was amazing :D
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his chin was very good but not incredible in terms of how easy it was to hurt him. was down a few times and buzzed a few other times. there are guys around recently who have another level of chin...guys like provo, ggg, canelo, wach who can take flush shots from good punchers without even going down or even really being buzzed

what he had was that very good chin combined with strong recovery
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leejonesjnr wrote: 04 Nov 2018, 06:02 Whilst I really don’t like Froch and I do like Chris Eubank, I’ve always felt that Froch was a kind of spiritual successor to Eubank.
Both had solid but ultimately not world class boxing skills and both were elevated a few levels by their chins, gritty attitude and excellent engine.
It's the full skill set that gets guys to the top, loads of silky purists in the arms without the balls or will to win when it's all on the line.
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Yeah froch wasn't giving up at any time, he had that extra ingredient you can't teach
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jamamb wrote: 04 Nov 2018, 06:29 his chin was very good but not incredible in terms of how easy it was to hurt him. was down a few times and buzzed a few other times. there are guys around recently who have another level of chin...guys like provo, ggg, canelo, wach who can take flush shots from good punchers without even going down or even really being buzzed

what he had was that very good chin combined with strong recovery
I disagree. It is true he was hurt few times, but GGG or Canelo did not take that clean shots like Froch IMO. Reasom why GGG and Alvarez was not hurt is their defense + chin. Froch defense was practically nonexistent :D
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disagree, the shot he took from jermain taylor for example was hardly some spectacular shot. dirrells shots that buzzed him and had him retreating werent ones that the guys i listed have never taken either

canelo does roll with shots well, but those other guys take them flush and dont really move there heads. and canelo still did take some good shots from ggg without ever looking close to going down.

froch did have a very good chin, but clearly there is a level above what he had that even some recent fighters possess. a level of just excellent zombie like durability where your hardly even seeing these guys react. something like wach vs klit was just a totally freakish chin display
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Froch was the ultimate warrior in his sport.
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Froch was exciting to watch and like bute got something taken away from him in the froch fight i think groves took something away from froch in the first fight too. He thought he was invincible but after round 1 of fight 1 he knew he wasnt and got bullied into having the 2nd fight imo. He was a good boxer and boxed abrahams head off plus stayed with ward all fight even though he was getting hit with slick shots all night. Great exciting fighter tho
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thechump wrote: 04 Nov 2018, 09:28 Froch was exciting to watch and like bute got something taken away from him in the froch fight i think groves took something away from froch in the first fight too. He thought he was invincible but after round 1 of fight 1 he knew he wasnt and got bullied into having the 2nd fight imo. He was a good boxer and boxed abrahams head off plus stayed with ward all fight even though he was getting hit with slick shots all night. Great exciting fighter tho
He was always going to rematch Groves, it was worth far too much for both men not too. He took him lightly first time out and nearly paid the price. Put it to bed beautifully tho second time out.
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samwbr wrote: 04 Nov 2018, 11:07
thechump wrote: 04 Nov 2018, 09:28 Froch was exciting to watch and like bute got something taken away from him in the froch fight i think groves took something away from froch in the first fight too. He thought he was invincible but after round 1 of fight 1 he knew he wasnt and got bullied into having the 2nd fight imo. He was a good boxer and boxed abrahams head off plus stayed with ward all fight even though he was getting hit with slick shots all night. Great exciting fighter tho
He was always going to rematch Groves, it was worth far too much for both men not too. He took him lightly first time out and nearly paid the price. Put it to bed beautifully tho second time out.
Groves went to the WBA to force a rematch cause froch wasnt too keen on it but like you say settled any argument in the rematch
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thechump wrote: 04 Nov 2018, 12:26
samwbr wrote: 04 Nov 2018, 11:07
thechump wrote: 04 Nov 2018, 09:28 Froch was exciting to watch and like bute got something taken away from him in the froch fight i think groves took something away from froch in the first fight too. He thought he was invincible but after round 1 of fight 1 he knew he wasnt and got bullied into having the 2nd fight imo. He was a good boxer and boxed abrahams head off plus stayed with ward all fight even though he was getting hit with slick shots all night. Great exciting fighter tho
He was always going to rematch Groves, it was worth far too much for both men not too. He took him lightly first time out and nearly paid the price. Put it to bed beautifully tho second time out.
Groves went to the WBA to force a rematch cause froch wasnt too keen on it but like you say settled any argument in the rematch
It was the IBF, Groves had already turned down a 7 figure offer when he appealed hoping to get 65-35 split but lost and had to go 85-15.
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rhino222 wrote: 30 Oct 2018, 12:01
littlepug wrote: 30 Oct 2018, 11:14 I think he felt Frochs strength and was instantly wary, plus he looked a big lad in there did Froch.
i think bute killed himself making weight. was so so gaunt.

Hindsight I know but Bute was made for Froch. He just didn't have the durability. He was almost stopped in the last round against Andrade and had fought nobody really up til the Froch fight. He was rattled. I remember seeing him training and he had a stereo system in the gym playing football chants to get him ready for the atmosphere. That showed mental weakness I thought. I had also just seen footage of him getting done by GGG in the amateurs that week. I still thought his body punching would get to Froch though. When Ian Darke said "What fools we were to think Carl Froch was going to get stopped here" on commentary I was thinking just that. I really do think the fight happening in the UK was a big factor but I think Froch stops him even if it had happened in Canada. Just too tough. It's difficult to see many beating Froch. I know people think Calzaghe would have but I highly doubt that. Calzaghe is always going to give Froch the kind of fight he wants and as far as toughness goes, I still think there is only one winner.
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An underrated boxer actually. Arthur Abraham barely laid a glove on him for 12 rounds.

I think he actually had good skills, was probably a little bit slow at world level and needed his opponents to blow off a little steam before he caught up with them in the later rounds - skill-wise though I think he had a good punch variety, decent jab, excellent uppercut and a good level of timing and surprise to his shots to set traps and catch people really clean.

His ability to take a punch was definitely one of his key assets, especially when he went to world level. At British level he mostly skittled over guys for fun.

It's a funny one with Froch, there have always been doubters and haters of him and yet I was quite the opposite, the first time I saw him fight I saw the world class potential. I had mates telling me he was shit even when he was a world champion.
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I’ve took Froch’s punches with those big 18oz Mickey Mouse gloves, and he rocks you with everything.
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