Hearn may have signed a deal with DAZN in the U..S.

[tiny_acres]

I care because a blatantly ignorant uneducated person accused both the PBC and Showtime of being anti-Asian... when they clearly have several ASIANS in their roster.

DA1 made a bûllshît claim and you're a moron for supporting him and proposing a counter argument that is mostly fictional, but also fails to reflect the DA1's actual fûckîng words!

FFS! DA1 said that there wasn't a SINGLE Asian fighter in the PBC/ Showtime roster and that all Asians were practically banned!

But who the fûck did Mikey Garcia fight in his last outing?

Stop ignoring questions that you can't answer!

Even DA1 won't respond to my post, because he knows he's fûckèd up!

I've listed several Eastern, Southern and Central Asian PBC fighters that have all appeared on Showtime.

If someone doesn't know anything about Asia, then they shouldn't be fûckîng talking about it like DA1 did.

I did not say they were "anti Asian".....I said they "practically have a ban on them" because their roster is completely void of them.

Where are the Asian fighters? I know HBO had a lot of Asian and Eastern European fighters in their last 3 years. PBC doesn't have any.


Pointing out a few fighters that fought for them twice when they held a belt or were a mandatory isn't a rebuttal. Pointing out British-Asian and Armenian-Amerian fighters isn't a rebuttal.

I'm very well versed in geography (history is one of my passions). The fact that you're bringing GEOGRAPHY up to bring forth TECHNICALITIES shows you know you're in the wrong. Since you're so well versed in it, might want to check out Britain isn't in Asia.

You mentioned half a dozen fighters. Half of them were from the West, the other half fought for them like 2 times. Yeah, that's enough fights to fill up one card.


PBC is heavily Americentric. It almost exclusively deals with North American fighters, and you rarely (that's the key word here) see Asians or even East Europeans. But at least the other Western promoters/networks are showing the latter love, I would still like to see more Asian fighters. SHO isn't doing enough, and PBC isn't even trying.

The PBC does have Asian fighters and I even listed half a dozen of them. And regardless of your skewed perception of things, the men I listed are fȕck¡ng Asian - the PBC isn't "completely void of them".

The PBC doesn't "practically have a ban on them" and it would be utter nonsense to suggest otherwise. FFS! Mikey Garcia fought an Asian fighter earlier in the year! The PBC have recently added another Asian fighter to their roster, a particularly famous one in fact that goes by the name of Manny Pacquiao!

Al Haymons' fighters, in general, have been quite inactive as of late, but this is likely to change (due to the PBC's newly-signed deals with Showtime & Fox), so expect to see the entire roster, which includes Asians, competing more often.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

You can’t accuse the PBC of being racist, without fact-checking!

You really need to learn more about geography and also perform some research about the PBC if you're going to attempt to debate this subject matter with someone like me, because I'll call you on your fȕck¡ng racist bȕllsh¡t claims!

Haymon just signed the Number 1 drawing ASIAN of all time. Pacquiau

[DA1]

Haymon just signed the Number 1 drawing ASIAN of all time. Pacquiau

Read my earlier post. I addressed him already.


And it's not exclusive to Asian fighters either, African fighters have historically faced the same problem. Once again, I am not accusing anyone of racism or geography-ism, like he keeps bringing up. It's about opportunity and political favoritism,


Just a few months ago, South African Hekkie Bedler, a unified IBF and WBA Super champ had to vacate his IBF belt because he couldn't get a purse bid. Not a single Western promoter tried to bid on the fight. The IBF minimum was $25,000. What champion wants to defend two fights, mere months after his last fight where he won them, for $25k??

It's not a race thing, albeit Hekkler is white mind you. It's opportunity and showing the best fighters from around the world, not just North Americans and Brits, and the few foreign stars that happened to be given a shot by SOME OTHER promoters and became a star.

[DA1]

The PBC does have Asian fighters and I even listed half a dozen of them. And regardless of your skewed perception of things, the men I listed are fȕck¡ng Asian - the PBC isn't "completely void of them".

The PBC doesn't "practically have a ban on them" and it would be utter nonsense to suggest otherwise. FFS! Mikey Garcia fought an Asian fighter earlier in the year! The PBC have recently added another Asian fighter to their roster, a particularly famous one in fact that goes by the name of Manny Pacquiao!

Al Haymons' fighters, in general, have been quite inactive as of late, but this is likely to change (due to the PBC's newly-signed deals with Showtime & Fox), so expect to see the entire roster, which includes Asians, competing more often.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

You can’t accuse the PBC of being racist, without fact-checking!

You really need to learn more about geography and also perform some research about the PBC if you're going to attempt to debate this subject matter with someone like me, because I'll call you on your fȕck¡ng racist bȕllsh¡t claims!

You also completely ignored my last post. Shall I repost it?? Okay i will.

[DA1]

Since everyone missed this:

As of the 17th December, 2017, the PBC website listed 161 fighters from 25 countries, with at least the following boxers technically classed as “Asian” (or their native countries have territories in Asia):

• Tomoki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

Would it be ludicrous of me to claim that for Mikey Garcia's most recent outing, televised by Showtime, was against an opponent that was not only born in Asia, but was also a fellow PBC stablemate?

You can’t accuse the PBC or Showtime of being racist.

You should retract that statement, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about!

I "think" he means Asian as in Eastern Asians, China/Japan/etc. Most people forget how big Asia is and what countries are a part of it. If they really do have Tomoki, I think it was just for the McDonnell fights. Which was 3 years ago.

Khan was born in the UK, so it doesn't make sense to even list him. That would be like somebody asking for an African fighter and they brought in Wilder.

Still, they do have some fighters from Asia, not many, but a few. I can agree that they need more diversity on their roster.

Amir Khan is British, and under Hearn.

Shumenov hasn't fought for them in years.

Kameda hasn't fought for them in years.

Martirosyan is American. (Armenia is technically in Asia but I'm not talking about Armenians who are well represented in western promotions.)


I'm not talking about strictly race or geography here. My complaint is that foreign fighters from Asia or East Europe are usually brought in only when they hold a title, so that one of PBC's own guys can win it from them. Then they're promptly discarded because they're seen as of no use. Lipinets and Zhakiyanov are two examples.

Boxing has had this problems for decades, but it's time for a change. The other promoters have changed but not PBC for some reason. Western promoters wouldn't even sign Central Asian fighters until recently (after GGG blew up) despite Kazakh and Uzbek fighters dominating amateur boxing for decades (and being free to sign since the fall of the USSR).

Indonesian fighter Chris John is considered one of the greatest Featherweight champions, defended 18 times throughout the 2000s to 2013. Was only ever brought to the US twice against Rocky Juarez and Derrick Gainer, 4 years apart. Beat both men, Juarez twice, and we never saw from him again. He wasn't useful anymore. Yet, he went on to defend his belt 6 and 7 times, respectively. GGG almost became the second him, if it wasn't for Loeffler and HBO.


PBC does not have fighters from Asia except when they're brought in to lose their belt.

Where are the Japanese, Thais and Central Asians in the stable? A couple random one-off fights isn't enough.

They just signed Pacquiao, great. But he's been a mainstay in US boxing for over a decade. Where are the others?? The one's who are actually prospects or trying to catch a break! I want to see young vibrant talent, the best the world has to offer, not when Mikey Garcia or Raushe Warren are trying to win a belt from someone they'll never show again afterwards.

[tiny_acres]

Haymon just signed the Number 1 drawing ASIAN of all time. Pacquiau

Read my earlier post. I addressed him already.


And it's not exclusive to Asian fighters either, African fighters have historically faced the same problem. Once again, I am not accusing anyone of racism or geography-ism, like he keeps bringing up. It's about opportunity and political favoritism,


Just a few months ago, South African Hekkie Bedler, a unified IBF and WBA Super champ had to vacate his IBF belt because he couldn't get a purse bid. Not a single Western promoter tried to bid on the fight. The IBF minimum was $25,000. What champion wants to defend two fights, mere months after his last fight where he won them, for $25k??

It's not a race thing, albeit Hekkler is white mind you. It's opportunity and showing the best fighters from around the world, not just North Americans and Brits, and the few foreign stars that happened to be given a shot by SOME OTHER promoters and became a star.

They don't draw money in their own countries. Why sign fighters who don't draw a buck?

[Enlightened-One]

Since everyone missed this:

As of the 17th December, 2017, the PBC website listed 161 fighters from 25 countries, with at least the following boxers technically classed as “Asian” (or their native countries have territories in Asia):

• Tomoki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

Would it be ludicrous of me to claim that for Mikey Garcia's most recent outing, televised by Showtime, was against an opponent that was not only born in Asia, but was also a fellow PBC stablemate?

You can’t accuse the PBC or Showtime of being racist.

You should retract that statement, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about!

I "think" he means Asian as in Eastern Asians, China/Japan/etc. Most people forget how big Asia is and what countries are a part of it. If they really do have Tomoki, I think it was just for the McDonnell fights. Which was 3 years ago.

Khan was born in the UK, so it doesn't make sense to even list him. That would be like somebody asking for an African fighter and they brought in Wilder.

Still, they do have some fighters from Asia, not many, but a few. I can agree that they need more diversity on their roster.

Amir Khan is British, and under Hearn.

Shumenov hasn't fought for them in years.

Kameda hasn't fought for them in years.

Martirosyan is American. (Armenia is technically in Asia but I'm not talking about Armenians who are well represented in western promotions.)


I'm not talking about strictly race or geography here. My complaint is that foreign fighters from Asia or East Europe are usually brought in only when they hold a title, so that one of PBC's own guys can win it from them. Then they're promptly discarded because they're seen as of no use. Lipinets and Zhakiyanov are two examples.

Boxing has had this problems for decades, but it's time for a change. The other promoters have changed but not PBC for some reason. Western promoters wouldn't even sign Central Asian fighters until recently (after GGG blew up) despite Kazakh and Uzbek fighters dominating amateur boxing for decades (and being free to sign since the fall of the USSR).

Indonesian fighter Chris John is considered one of the greatest Featherweight champions, defended 18 times throughout the 2000s to 2013. Was only ever brought to the US twice against Rocky Juarez and Derrick Gainer, 4 years apart. Beat both men, Juarez twice, and we never saw from him again. He wasn't useful anymore. Yet, he went on to defend his belt 6 and 7 times, respectively. GGG almost became the second him, if it wasn't for Loeffler and HBO.


PBC does not have fighters from Asia except when they're brought in to lose their belt.

Where are the Japanese, Thais and Central Asians in the stable? A couple random one-off fights isn't enough.

They just signed Pacquiao, great. But he's been a mainstay in US boxing for over a decade. Where are the others?? The one's who are actually prospects or trying to catch a break! I want to see young vibrant talent, the best the world has to offer, not when Mikey Garcia or Raushe Warren are trying to win a belt from someone they'll never show again afterwards.

I know for certain that the following list of PBC fighters are Asian. And this is something that is not even up for debate:

• Manny Pacquiao
• Tomoki Kameda
• Koki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

We also know that Manny Pacquiao has officially announced that his promotional company (MP Promotions) will work with Al Haymon to bring fighters from the Philippines and elsewhere in Asia to the United States in order to appear on the PBC cards.

I have already explained the reason why PBC fighters have been inactive. You keep avoiding your obligation to respond to this counter-argument!

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

Stop trying to move your argument dishonestly onto more solid ground, because your original claims, which were fȕck¡ng absurd, have been comprehensively debunked. And all you're trying to do now is save face.

FFS! Give it up! Just admit it, you got it wrong, so stop using dishonest debating tactics to try to avoid conceding how fȕck¡ng stupid your original claims really were!

[DA1]

And stop saying I'm accusing them of being "racist"..... I never accused them of racism.

It's more nuanced then that.

They don't draw money in their own countries. Why sign fighters who don't draw a buck?

That's what it comes down to for PBC.

There's dozens of foreign fighters under Hearn, Arum and Salita who haven't made a buck yet either. 2/3 of their fighters haven't made a buck. That's what promoters are for.


I want to see the best fighters, regardless of where they're from. The whole "he can't make a buck (....but there's dozens of others I could say the same about, but I'm not going to)" doesn't fly with me.

But that's just a matter of preference. That's everything in life, we're not going to agree with. At least now you guys can stop acting like there isn't selective favoritism.

[Enlightened-One]

And stop saying I'm accusing them of being "racist"..... I never accused them of racism.

It's more nuanced then that.

They don't draw money in their own countries. Why sign fighters who don't draw a buck?

That's what it comes down to for PBC.

There's dozens of foreign fighters under Hearn, Arum and Salita who haven't made a buck yet either. 2/3 of their fighters haven't made a buck. That's what promoters are for.


I want to see the best fighters, regardless of where they're from. The whole "he can't make a buck (....but there's dozens of others I could say the same about, but I'm not going to)" doesn't fly with me.

But that's just a matter of preference. That's everything in life, we're not going to agree with. At least now you guys can stop acting like there isn't selective favoritism.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries, which includes at least eight Asian boxers, not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

[DA1]

Amir Khan is British, and under Hearn.

Shumenov hasn't fought for them in years.

Kameda hasn't fought for them in years.

Martirosyan is American. (Armenia is technically in Asia but I'm not talking about Armenians who are well represented in western promotions.)


I'm not talking about strictly race or geography here. My complaint is that foreign fighters from Asia or East Europe are usually brought in only when they hold a title, so that one of PBC's own guys can win it from them. Then they're promptly discarded because they're seen as of no use. Lipinets and Zhakiyanov are two examples.

Boxing has had this problems for decades, but it's time for a change. The other promoters have changed but not PBC for some reason. Western promoters wouldn't even sign Central Asian fighters until recently (after GGG blew up) despite Kazakh and Uzbek fighters dominating amateur boxing for decades (and being free to sign since the fall of the USSR).

Indonesian fighter Chris John is considered one of the greatest Featherweight champions, defended 18 times throughout the 2000s to 2013. Was only ever brought to the US twice against Rocky Juarez and Derrick Gainer, 4 years apart. Beat both men, Juarez twice, and we never saw from him again. He wasn't useful anymore. Yet, he went on to defend his belt 6 and 7 times, respectively. GGG almost became the second him, if it wasn't for Loeffler and HBO.


PBC does not have fighters from Asia except when they're brought in to lose their belt.

Where are the Japanese, Thais and Central Asians in the stable? A couple random one-off fights isn't enough.

They just signed Pacquiao, great. But he's been a mainstay in US boxing for over a decade. Where are the others?? The one's who are actually prospects or trying to catch a break! I want to see young vibrant talent, the best the world has to offer, not when Mikey Garcia or Raushe Warren are trying to win a belt from someone they'll never show again afterwards.

I know for certain that the following list of PBC fighters are Asian. And this is something that is not even up for debate:

• Manny Pacquiao
• Tomoki Kameda
• Koki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

We also know that Manny Pacquiao has officially announced that his promotional company (MP Promotions) will work with Al Haymon to bring fighters from the Philippines and elsewhere in Asia to the United States in order to appear on the PBC cards.

I have already explained the reason why PBC fighters have been inactive. You keep avoiding your obligation to respond to this counter-argument!

Stop trying to move your argument dishonestly onto more solid ground, because your original claims, which were fȕck¡ng absurd, have been comprehensively debunked. And all you're trying to do now is save face.

FFS! Give it up! Just admit it, you got it wrong, so stop using dishonest debating tactics to try to avoid conceding how fȕck¡ng stupid your original claims really were!

I just addressed this whole argument, and you ignored it like a clown.

1. Half of them are from the WEST.

2. The other half only fought for PBC when they held a belt or were a mando. Then they were discarded.

3. They haven't fought for them in years,

4. I addressed Pac. He's a superstar, an exception not the rule. I want to see the other talent that's competing, not just one fighter from a decade ago.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries, which includes at least eight Asian boxers, not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

125 fighters and only 8 Asians?? LMAO.
And i bet half of those Asians are either American/British or haven't fought on PBC in years!!!


You must be payed by Haymon himself to be this defensive about it. Just accept reality and keep it moving, it's not even worth getting defensive over. Some things in life just aren't fair, we complain about it and keep it moving but stop pretending like it's fair.

Great, they have 8 Asians across 17 weight divisions! And one of them's actually a HEARN fighter, and one's Pacquiao.

[DA1]

BREAKING NEWS:

This just in. Black people never face discrimination in America because the US had a Black president!!

Black heavyweights had fair and equal opportunity in the first half of the 20th century because Jack Johnson was a black heavyweight champ!!


Stop relying on fallacies. Some things are exceptions not the rules (Pacquiao)! And I even pointed out most of your Asian fighters haven't fought for PBC in years!! Not to mention several of them are American/Brit, and hence TREATED like an American/Brit fighter (Also, PBC didn't make Khan a star, PBC didn't make Pac a star, they signed them after the fact). Most of their foreign Asian/Eastern Euro fighters were only brought in for title defenses and mandos.

This wasn't about race! I never mentioned race. This was about showing the best of the WORLD, including those from Asia. And giving fair representation and opportunity. Just like what HBO, now DAZN, Loeffler, Hearn, Salita, Duva and others have been doing. I'm a boxing fan.

Premier Boxing Champions? More like North American Boxing Champions, or Anglo-Hispanic Boxing Champions.

[Enlightened-One]

Amir Khan is British, and under Hearn.

Shumenov hasn't fought for them in years.

Kameda hasn't fought for them in years.

Martirosyan is American. (Armenia is technically in Asia but I'm not talking about Armenians who are well represented in western promotions.)


I'm not talking about strictly race or geography here. My complaint is that foreign fighters from Asia or East Europe are usually brought in only when they hold a title, so that one of PBC's own guys can win it from them. Then they're promptly discarded because they're seen as of no use. Lipinets and Zhakiyanov are two examples.

Boxing has had this problems for decades, but it's time for a change. The other promoters have changed but not PBC for some reason. Western promoters wouldn't even sign Central Asian fighters until recently (after GGG blew up) despite Kazakh and Uzbek fighters dominating amateur boxing for decades (and being free to sign since the fall of the USSR).

Indonesian fighter Chris John is considered one of the greatest Featherweight champions, defended 18 times throughout the 2000s to 2013. Was only ever brought to the US twice against Rocky Juarez and Derrick Gainer, 4 years apart. Beat both men, Juarez twice, and we never saw from him again. He wasn't useful anymore. Yet, he went on to defend his belt 6 and 7 times, respectively. GGG almost became the second him, if it wasn't for Loeffler and HBO.


PBC does not have fighters from Asia except when they're brought in to lose their belt.

Where are the Japanese, Thais and Central Asians in the stable? A couple random one-off fights isn't enough.

They just signed Pacquiao, great. But he's been a mainstay in US boxing for over a decade. Where are the others?? The one's who are actually prospects or trying to catch a break! I want to see young vibrant talent, the best the world has to offer, not when Mikey Garcia or Raushe Warren are trying to win a belt from someone they'll never show again afterwards.

I know for certain that the following list of PBC fighters are Asian. And this is something that is not even up for debate:

• Manny Pacquiao
• Tomoki Kameda
• Koki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

We also know that Manny Pacquiao has officially announced that his promotional company (MP Promotions) will work with Al Haymon to bring fighters from the Philippines and elsewhere in Asia to the United States in order to appear on the PBC cards.

I have already explained the reason why PBC fighters have been inactive. You keep avoiding your obligation to respond to this counter-argument!

Stop trying to move your argument dishonestly onto more solid ground, because your original claims, which were fȕck¡ng absurd, have been comprehensively debunked. And all you're trying to do now is save face.

FFS! Give it up! Just admit it, you got it wrong, so stop using dishonest debating tactics to try to avoid conceding how fȕck¡ng stupid your original claims really were!

I just addressed this whole argument, and you ignored it like a clown.

1. Half of them are from the WEST.

2. The other half only fought for PBC when they held a belt or were a mando. Then they were discarded.

3. They haven't fought for them in years,

4. I addressed Pac. He's a superstar, an exception not the rule. I want to see the other talent that's competing, not just one fighter from a decade ago.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries, which includes at least eight Asian boxers, not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

125 fighters and only 8 Asians?? LMAO.
And i bet half of those Asians are either American/British or haven't fought on PBC in years!!!


You must be payed by Haymon himself to be this defensive about it. Just accept reality and keep it moving, it's not even worth getting defensive over. Some things in life just aren't fair, we complain about it and keep it moving but stop pretending like it's fair.

Great, they have 8 Asians across 17 weight divisions! And one of them's actually a HEARN fighter, and one's Pacquiao.

The PBC has a roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries, at least eight of which are Asian. Is this not diverse enough for you? What percentage of fighters need to be Asian in order to meet your standards? About 5% of the US population is Asian and coincidentally at least 5% of the PBC roster is Asian!

Also, you do realise that the PBC is simply a television boxing series, whereby Al Haymon works with numerous promoters to televise events?

Many promoters, which obviously includes Eddie Hearn's Matchroom Promotions, promote fighters that are affiliated with Al Haymon, with the PBC chief acting as either an advisor or as their manager.

So stop trying to pretend you’ve proved a point by claiming that one of Haymon’s Asian fighters works with Eddie Hearn, because it’s fȕck¡ng irrelevant to the topic being discussed. It’s simply a red-herring dishonest debating tactic, one that only a complete fȕck¡ng morons would fall for!

Arguing with you about the demographic composition of the PBC is kind of frustrating, because you don’t seem to know much about geography, racial groups, what the PBC actually is, as well as the roster of fighters affiliated with Al Haymon.

[DA1]

PBC didn't make Khan a star,
PBC didn't make Pac a star.
We have Warren and Arum to thank for that. And Khan is British.

You keep bringing up these "eight Asian fighters" who haven't fought on PBC in years, and where half of them were only there because they had a title or mando.

Tell me when those 8 fighters actually fight on PBC in the next 10 months, then I'll be convinced they have Asian fighters.... even though a third of them are from the West still!!

We're going in circles.


Until then, I'll be enjoying DAZN, ESPN promoters show more Asian and Eastern Euro fighters, alongside the Americans and Brits. If PBC was the only game in town, we'd still be stuck in the 90s with only Anglo-Hispanic boxers. As if the USSR and Yugoslavia were still around, and Japan/Thailand only did kickboxing (even though they had boxing this whole time)!

[Enlightened-One]

PBC didn't make Khan a star,
PBC didn't make Pac a star.
We have Warren and Arum to thank for that. And Khan is British.

You keep bringing up these "eight Asian fighters" who haven't fought on PBC in years, and where half of them were only there because they had a title or mando.

Tell me when those 8 fighters actually fight on PBC in the next 10 months, then I'll be convinced they have Asian fighters.... even though a third of them are from the West still!!

We're going in circles.

About 5% of the US population is Asian and coincidentally at least 5% of the PBC roster is Asian!

The PBC has a roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries, at least eight of which are Asian. Is this not diverse enough for you? What percentage of fighters need to be Asian in order to meet your standards?

[DA1]

And coincidentally, 4% of Asian are unemployed!!... oh wait!

Call me when those eight boxers actually have a fight. I've looked at their records (I follow half of them well before you named them), and they haven't fought in PBC in years. clown.

Next you're going to mention them well after they're dead.

It's going to be 2025 and you'll still mention those eight boxers. Going by that logic Arum has probably excess of 70 Asian fighters. Loeffler's only been in business for how long and he has 30 Asian fighters.

[Enlightened-One]

And coincidentally, 4% of Asian are unemployed!!... oh wait!

Call me when those eight boxers actually have a fight. I've looked at their records (I follow half of them well before you named them), and they haven't fought in PBC in years. clown.

Next you're going to mention them well after they're dead.

It's going to be 2025 and you'll still mention those eight boxers. Going by that logic Arum has probably excess of 70 Asian fighters. Loeffler's only been in business for how long and he has 30 Asian fighters.

Thanks for conceding defeat! You’ve gone from passionately arguing that the PBC is completely void of Asian fighters to now complaining about their inactivity, despite the fact that we (roughly) know when two of them are fighting next!

I have already explained the reason why PBC fighters in general, which also includes their Asian boxers, have been inactive, but you keep refraining from acknowledging this point and instead you’re choosing pretend that Al Haymon is somehow prejudiced.

I won’t agree to your request to change the subject matter being discussed. So you’re welcome to b¡tch and moan as much as you want about the general inactivity of PBC fighters, since I was only concerned about your original claims, which I have already comprehensively debunked!

[DA1]

You have the mentality of the child, if you think that was "conceding defeat".

All my points were repeated 3 to 4 times. I have changed nothing.

Most of the fighters you mentioned aren't fighting on PBC. They fought (past tense) on PBC when they held a belt or mando. Then they were discarded.

PBC has Pac (whom Arum made a star), and he's an exception not a rule. Khan is British. (whom Warren made a star) Vanes is Armenian-American. The rest (actually from Asia or EE) were brought in for mandos or defenses.


Like I said, if past fights mean you're a permanent PBC fighter... even though they won't give you a jack fight. Then they need to compete with Arum's "80" fighters and Loeffler, Hearn, Duva, Salita's "30" Asian/EE fighters. PBC by your own shoddy logic simply doesn't stack up.

They'll have maybe 3 or 4 fights with Asians/EE an entire year. If you're so adamant of US % demographics, I wonder why the other promoters aren't. In fact, I wonder why PBC even competes for the world title if they don't factor the boxers of the WORLD and instead only the US. If the best fighters are Japanese, Thai or Russian, I wanna see more R, J, T, I don't give a flying fuk they make up 0.5% of the US population. Look at the BOXING population, not the US citizen population. If Central Asians and Russians are the best boxer, I wanna see more of them, I don't give a fk they make up 0.1 of US citizens.

[Enlightened-One]

You have the mentality of the child, if you think that was "conceding defeat".

All my points were repeated 3 to 4 times. I have changed nothing.

Most of the fighters you mentioned aren't fighting on PBC. They fought (past tense) on PBC when they held a belt or mando. Then they were discarded.

PBC has Pac (whom Arum made a star), and he's an exception not a rule. Khan is British. (whom Warren made a star) Vanes is Armenian-American. The rest (actually from Asia or EE) were brought in for mandos or defenses.


Like I said, if past fights mean you're a permanent PBC fighter... even though they won't give you a jack fight. Then they need to compete with Arum's "80" fighters and Loeffler, Hearn, Duva, Salita's "30" Asian/EE fighters. PBC by your own shoddy logic simply doesn't stack up.

They'll have maybe 3 or 4 fights with Asians/EE an entire year. If you're so adamant of US % demographics, I wonder why the other promoters aren't. In fact, I wonder why PBC even competes for the world title if they don't factor the boxers of the WORLD and instead only the US. If the best fighters are Japanese, Thai or Russian, I wanna see more R, J, T, I don't give a flying fuk they make up 0.5% of the US population. Look at the BOXING population, not the US citizen population. If Central Asians and Russians are the best boxer, I wanna see more of them, I don't give a fk they make up 0.1 of US citizens.

Since when has the person or organisations responsible for making certain fighters famous relevant to the demographic composition of the PBC? Why do you keep trying to change the topic being discussed?

I exclusively listed eight PBC fighters that are Asian. None of them are Eastern European! So why say otherwise?

About 5% of the US population is Asian and coincidentally at least 5% of the PBC roster is Asian!

The PBC has a roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries, at least eight of which are Asian. Is this not diverse enough for you? What percentage of fighters need to be Asian in order to meet your standards? Answer the fȕck¡ng question by providing some numbers – don’t just b¡tch and moan about a statistic that seems to fairly reflect the demographic composition of America!

To address a couple of other false claims you made: Amir Khan is Asian by heritage, he self-identifies as Asian, he’s possesses Pakistani citizenship and could have also chosen to fight for that country as an amateur. Vanes Martirosyan is Asian by heritage (i.e. his parents and most of family) as well as by the geographic location of his birth, because he was born in Armenia, which is in Asia!

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You're the one who brought up 5% Asian demographic in US. clown. Now you keep saying Im changing the topic?

Your username is ironic.

Khan is Asian and Pac is Asian. They are exceptions not the rule. I addressed it ages ago.

I also mentioned multiples times before, I'm not talking about race but of opportunity and representation of the WORLD'S BOXING talent. Having 2 or 4 Asian fighters doesn't mean they are fairly showcasing Asian/EE boxing talent. When there are a hundred great prospects not 3 and not 8.

The other promoters have gone through tens of dozens of Asian fighters, not eight. They each have a dozen active fighters with them right now, not just 3, one of whom (Pac) only just signed and happen to be stars from years ago (Khan, Pac). And Khan doesn't even fight on PBC either. These two could have signed with literally anyone. What Asian/EE fighters are PBC actually promoting or putting on?

This is like pointing at Obama and saying US never had discrimination and lack of representation.

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The other promoters have gone through tens of dozens, not eight. They each have a dozen active fighters with them right now, not just 3, one of whom (Pac) they just signed. They also happen to be stars from years ago.

List the "dozen" active Asian fighters that are affiliated with each of these major UK and US based promoters: Top Rank; Golden Boy; Matchroom; Sauerland; Queensberry; K2; and Main Events.

So I’m expecting you to provide a list of 84 active Asian fighters that regularly appear on the fight cards promoted by the seven promoters I listed previously.

You need to also provide a list of promoters whose rosters have superior demographic compositions than the PBC.

I already proved that I can talk the talk and walk the walk, by backing up my claims with cold hard facts, so let’s see if you are able to do so too!

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The other promoters have gone through tens of dozens, not eight. They each have a dozen active fighters with them right now, not just 3, one of whom (Pac) they just signed. They also happen to be stars from years ago.

List the "dozen" active Asian fighters that are affiliated with each of these major UK and US based promoters: Top Rank; Golden Boy; Matchroom; Sauerland; Queensberry; K2; and Main Events.

Provide a list of promoters whose rosters have superior demographic compositions than the PBC.

Dmitriy Salita

Apti Davtaev
Shohjahon Ergashev
Bakhtiyar Eyubov
Elena Gradinar
Aslambek Idigov
Arnold Khegai
Dimash Niyazov
Nikolai Potapov
Umar Salamov
Elena Saveleva
Alexey Zubov

These are just the Asian/EE fighters boxrec has recorded. There's more who've fought on his cards. This is a lot more than 1 (pac) or 3 (pac, khan, vanes).


Just go through Hearn and Arum's cards from the past year, you're going to see several. Loeffler already held Superfly and we saw them on there as well. They also have relations with Tekken and Ohashi promotions of Japan.

Multiple AIBA and Olympic world champs have been signed already. Not merely 1 or 2. Would have been great if we saw more of that this done in the 2000s. Would have loved to seen more Kazakh/Uzbeks get a shot.

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I don't give a fornicate about your "demographics". Maybe i'll pull one out from your playbook and say: why the hell do keep "trying to change the topic"??

I don't care if 90% are non-Asians and EE, if they have 30 Asian/EE elite fighters and the other 10000 are Mexican and Black fighters. Because we all know undercards are filled with jobbers and part-timers.

When it comes to the ELITE and the prospects, I wanna see more of the TOP 20 fighters (from rankings) on Western cards, and more AIBA champs signed to professionals.

That is what I want. Not no damn percentage BS, which only you brought up.

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The other promoters have gone through tens of dozens, not eight. They each have a dozen active fighters with them right now, not just 3, one of whom (Pac) they just signed. They also happen to be stars from years ago.

List the "dozen" active Asian fighters that are affiliated with each of these major UK and US based promoters: Top Rank; Golden Boy; Matchroom; Sauerland; Queensberry; K2; and Main Events.

Provide a list of promoters whose rosters have superior demographic compositions than the PBC.

Dmitriy Salita

Apti Davtaev
Shohjahon Ergashev
Bakhtiyar Eyubov
Elena Gradinar
Aslambek Idigov
Arnold Khegai
Dimash Niyazov
Nikolai Potapov
Umar Salamov
Elena Saveleva
Alexey Zubov

These are just the Asian/EE fighters boxrec has recorded. There's more who've fought on his cards. This is a lot more than 1 (pac) or 3 (pac, khan, vanes).


Just go through Hearn and Arum's cards from the past year, you're going to see several. Loeffler already held Superfly and we saw them on there as well. They also have relations with Tekken and Ohashi promotions of Japan.

Multiple AIBA and Olympic world champs have been signed already. Not merely 1 or 2. Would have been great if we saw more of that this done in the 2000s. Would have loved to seen more Kazakh/Uzbeks get a shot.

First of all, Salita Promotions only has a very minor role in the sport and isn’t included in the major list of promoters that I listed.

I only looked at the first three fighters that you listed, but noticed that you don’t do any fact checking, so I didn’t bother verifying the rest of your list:

• Isn’t the region of Russian where Apti Davtaev is from part of Europe. I could be wrong about this, but based on everything I’ve read suggests that I’m correct. We've been talking exclusively about Asians - not Eastern Europeans!

• You passionately claimed that Vanes Martirosyan couldn't be considered as being Asian, due to the fact that he lives in America, even though he was born in an Asian country. Yet you also claim that Shohjahon Ergashev and Bakhtiyar Eyubov are both Asian, even though they both live in America and were also born in an Asian country! Fȕck¡ng hell, at least be consistent!

You need to try harder and rise to the challenge, because your attempts so far have been utterly abysmal. You need to justify your claims by providing evidence.

I don't give a eff about your "demographics".

If you really don't care about demographics, then why persistently claim that the PBC is completely void of Asian fighters, when we know this to be a totally false accusation? Those were your actual words, which I can easily quote if you claim otherwise.

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I am advocating for diversity of TALENT, be they from Asia or Eastern Europe. I have stated this countless counts. I even brought up the USSR.


You seem to be autistic. Britain is not in Asia, and yet you keep brought up Khan.

Vanes Martirosyan is an American, and you brought him up as another Asian fighter like Khan. What a double standard.


You are fixated on technicality just because you don't want to admit PBC is Amerocentric and lacks proper outlet or coverage of boxing talent FROM Asia and Eastern Europe.

Khan and Vanes are not FROM Asia.

Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan AND Russia, Ukraine have some of the best amateur boxers in the world. Japan and Thailand have a huge professional scene with champs and contenders. We have seen few in PBC at all.

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I am advocating for diversity of TALENT, be they from Asia or Eastern Europe. I have stated this countless counts. I even brought up the USSR.


You seem to be autistic. Britain is not in Asia, and yet you keep brought up Khan.

Vanes Martirosyan is an American, and you brought him up as another Asian fighter like Khan.


You are fixated on technicality just because you don't want to admit PBC is Americentric and lacks proper outlet or coverage of boxing talent FROM Asia and Eastern Europe.

Khan and Vanes are not FROM Asia.

Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan AND Russia, Ukraine have some of the best amateur boxers in the world. Japan and Thailand have a huge professional scene with champs and contenders. We have seen few in PBC at all.

You're changing your argument again. So let me remind you of your original claims using your actual words:

Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

I said they "practically have a ban on them" because their roster is completely void of them.

Where are the Asian fighters?

Eastern Europe was never within the scope of our discussion, we have been talking exclusively about Asians. And I have already supplied the statistics of the PBC's racial demographic diversity, because they have a roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries.

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You're changing your argument again. So let me remind you of your original claims using your actual words:

Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

I said they "practically have a ban on them" because their roster is completely void of them.

Where are the Asian fighters?

Not a single lie told.

PBC is void of Asian talent. They "practically" (not literally) have a ban on them. It's rhetorical.

You seem to ignore ALL the posts that were made after it EXCEPT where you found convenient to pick-and-choose. Either take them all, or take them none.

Pac is an exception, not a rule.