Hearn may have signed a deal with DAZN in the U..S.

[DA1]

If you want to go in circles, I'll go in circles, since you missed the post earlier.

As of the 17th December, 2017, the PBC website listed 161 fighters from 25 countries, with at least the following boxers technically classed as “Asian” (or their native countries have territories in Asia):

• Tomoki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

Would it be ludicrous of me to claim that for Mikey Garcia's most recent outing, televised by Showtime, was against an opponent that was not only born in Asia, but was also a fellow PBC stablemate?

You can’t accuse the PBC or Showtime of being racist.

You should retract that statement, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about!

I "think" he means Asian as in Eastern Asians, China/Japan/etc. Most people forget how big Asia is and what countries are a part of it. If they really do have Tomoki, I think it was just for the McDonnell fights. Which was 3 years ago.

Khan was born in the UK, so it doesn't make sense to even list him. That would be like somebody asking for an African fighter and they brought in Wilder.

Still, they do have some fighters from Asia, not many, but a few. I can agree that they need more diversity on their roster.

Amir Khan is British, and fights under Hearn.

Shumenov hasn't fought for PBC in years.

Kameda hasn't fought for PBC in years.

Martirosyan is American. (Armenia is technically in Asia but I'm not talking about Armenians who are well represented in western promotions.)


I'm not talking about strictly race or geography here. My complaint is that foreign fighters from Asia or East Europe are usually brought in only when they hold a title, so that one of PBC's own guys can win it from them. Then they're promptly discarded because they're seen as of no use. Lipinets and Zhakiyanov are two examples.

Boxing has had this problems for decades, but it's time for a change. The other promoters have changed but not PBC for some reason. Western promoters wouldn't even sign Central Asian fighters until recently (after GGG blew up) despite Kazakh and Uzbek fighters dominating amateur boxing for decades (and being free to sign since the fall of the USSR).

Indonesian fighter Chris John is considered one of the greatest Featherweight champions, defended 18 times throughout the 2000s to 2013. Was only ever brought to the US twice against Rocky Juarez and Derrick Gainer, 4 years apart. Beat both men, Juarez twice, and we never saw from him again. He wasn't useful anymore. Yet, he went on to defend his belt 6 and 7 times, respectively. GGG almost became the second him, if it wasn't for Loeffler and HBO.


PBC does not have fighters from Asia except when they're brought in to lose their belt.

Where are the Japanese, Thais and Central Asians in the stable? A couple random one-off fights isn't enough.

They just signed Pacquiao, great. But he's been a mainstay in US boxing for over a decade. Where are the others?? The one's who are actually prospects or trying to catch a break! I want to see young vibrant talent, the best the world has to offer, not when Mikey Garcia or Raushe Warren are trying to win a belt from someone they'll never show again afterwards.

[Enlightened-One]

You're changing your argument again. So let me remind you of your original claims using your actual words:

Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

I said they "practically have a ban on them" because their roster is completely void of them.

Where are the Asian fighters?

Not a single lie told.

PBC is void of Asian talent. They "practically" (not literally) have a ban on them. It's rhetorical.

You seem to ignore ALL the posts that were made after it EXCEPT where you found convenient to pick-and-choose. Either take them all, or take them none.

Pac is an exception, not a rule.

I ignore all of your remarks that bear no relation to the original claims that you made, which you seem unable to defend.

You keep trying to divert the topic being debated away from your original stance, which is a well-know dishonest debating tactic, because you're trying to propose a new argument that has a far more solid foundation than the bizarre claims you originally made.

I quoted your own words to remind you of the stance that I am objecting to. I won't discuss anything else, as I prefer to stick to the subject matter at hand.

I won't let you off the hook... and it seems that you've now resorted to quoting your own diversionary posts to pretend that you haven't changed your argument, since your original claims have already been comprehensively debunked.

[DA1]

I ignore all of your remarks that bear no relation to the original claims that you made, which you seem unable to defend.

You keep trying to divert the topic being debated away from your original stance, which is a well-know dishonest debating tactic, because you're trying to propose a new argument that has a far more solid foundation than the bizarre claims you originally made.

I quoted your own words to remind you of the stance that I am objecting to. I won't discuss anything else, as I prefer to stick to the subject matter at hand.

I won't let you off the hook.

You don't decide where the FRAME or parameter of argument starts or ends.

My complaint is lack of Asian and Eastern Europeans, alike, in PBC.

You don't get to plead mercy and say "but but, leave the Eastern Euros out of it." Nah, not letting PBC off the hook. The points are valid. You can accept it or leave it, but you can't deny it.

[DA1]

BREAKING NEWS:

This just in. Black people never face discrimination in America because the US had a Black president!!

Black heavyweights had fair and equal opportunity in the first half of the 20th century because Jack Johnson was a black heavyweight champ!!


Stop relying on fallacies. Some things are exceptions not the rules (Pacquiao)! And I even pointed out most of your Asian fighters haven't fought for PBC in years!! Not to mention several of them are American/Brit, and hence TREATED like an American/Brit fighter (Also, PBC didn't make Khan a star, PBC didn't make Pac a star, they signed them after the fact). Most of their foreign Asian/Eastern Euro fighters were only brought in for title defenses and mandos.

This wasn't about race! I never mentioned race. This was about showing the best of the WORLD, including those from Asia. And giving fair representation and opportunity. Just like what HBO, now DAZN, Loeffler, Hearn, Salita, Duva and others have been doing. I'm a boxing fan.

Premier Boxing Champions? More like North American Boxing Champions, or Anglo-Hispanic Boxing Champions.

[Enlightened-One]

I ignore all of your remarks that bear no relation to the original claims that you made, which you seem unable to defend.

You keep trying to divert the topic being debated away from your original stance, which is a well-know dishonest debating tactic, because you're trying to propose a new argument that has a far more solid foundation than the bizarre claims you originally made.

I quoted your own words to remind you of the stance that I am objecting to. I won't discuss anything else, as I prefer to stick to the subject matter at hand.

I won't let you off the hook.

You don't decide where the FRAME or parameter of argument starts or ends.

My complaint is lack of Asian and Eastern Europeans, alike, in PBC.

You don't get to plead mercy and say "but but, leave the Eastern Euros out of it." Nah, not letting PBC off the hook. The points are valid. You can accept it or leave it, but you can't deny it.

Your original complaint related to the PBC being completely void of Asian fighters. I debunked this myth that you created and so you changed the nature of your argument, by attempting to include Easter Eastern Europeans within the scope of our discussion, which bears no relation to what you originally wrote. I even quoted your original words FFS!

You haven't attempted to support any of your claims by listing facts that were either accurate or didn't hypocritically undermine your own argument.

[DA1]

You just proved the fallacy i posted above.

"US doesn't have discrimination or representation issues because Obama was president!"

"PBC doesn't have a shortage of Asian fighters because they had Khan and now Pac!"


Keep living in denial. PBC is Amerocentric. Devoid of Asian talent.

Half the people you named as your "debunk" haven't fought in PBC for years, and were only brought in for mandos or defenses and then discarded. The other half were fighters from the US/Britain, not Asia.

Eight out of 167 fighters, in total across 17 weight divisions And only 3 of them active. "Boy i debunked him!"

[tiny_acres]

And stop saying I'm accusing them of being "racist"..... I never accused them of racism.

It's more nuanced then that.

They don't draw money in their own countries. Why sign fighters who don't draw a buck?

That's what it comes down to for PBC.

There's dozens of foreign fighters under Hearn, Arum and Salita who haven't made a buck yet either. 2/3 of their fighters haven't made a buck. That's what promoters are for.


I want to see the best fighters, regardless of where they're from. The whole "he can't make a buck (....but there's dozens of others I could say the same about, but I'm not going to)" doesn't fly with me.

But that's just a matter of preference. That's everything in life, we're not going to agree with. At least now you guys can stop acting like there isn't selective favoritism.

It's not selective favoritism. It's called business.

[DA1]

It's not selective favoritism. It's called business.

It's both. That's life.

But someone's gotta point it out, right? At least you aren't living in denial and understand the fact of the matter.


Albeit a promoters job is to promote (make them profitable). The other promoters have taken Asian PROSPECTS (not merely established stars like Pacquiao) and trying to create stars or contenders out of them. I'm sure 4-5 years down the road PBC will sign 3 of them as well.

[Enlightened-One]

You just proved the fallacy i posted above.

"US doesn't have discrimination or representation issues because Obama was president!"

"PBC doesn't have a shortage of Asian fighters because they had Khan and now Pac!"


Keep living in denial. PBC is Amerocentric. Devoid of Asian talent.

Half the people you named as your "debunk" haven't fought in PBC for years, and were only brought in for mandos or defenses and then discarded. The other half were fighters from the US/Britain, not Asia.

Eight out of 167 fighters, in total across 17 weight divisions And only 3 of them active. "Boy i debunked him!"

You’ve just attempted to change the topic once AGAIN!

Take a look at what you originally claimed in this thread and compare your very own words contained within this post!

Do you need help remembering your original stance, because if you do, I can quote your words for a fifth time if you like.

[DA1]

You’ve just attempted to change the topic once AGAIN!

Take a look at what you originally claimed in this thread and compare your very own words contained within this post!

Do you need help remembering them, because if you do, I can quote them for a fifth time if you like.

If you think this is changing the topic. Then you don't understand my topic.


PBC is void of Asian talent. Just as it's void of Eastern Euro talent. It makes no attempt at signing any prospects from that part of the world. The topic of convo is the same. It's your mental scope that's limited.

[Enlightened-One]

You’ve just attempted to change the topic once AGAIN!

Take a look at what you originally claimed in this thread and compare your very own words contained within this post!

Do you need help remembering them, because if you do, I can quote them for a fifth time if you like.

If you think this is changing the topic. Then you don't understand my topic.

Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

I said they "practically have a ban on them" because their roster is completely void of them.

Where are the Asian fighters?

[DA1]

Keep nitpicking on the semantics. But stay in denial of the issue at hand.


PBC is void of Asian talent. It is Ameri-centric.

[Enlightened-One]

Keep nitpicking on the semantics. But stay in denial of the issue at hand.


PBC is void of Asian talent. It is Ameri-centric.

You do realise that the words “fighter” and “talent” have different meanings, because in the context of our debate, they aren’t synonymous.

So you’ve just made yet another attempt to change the argument.

Seeing you trying your best to distance yourself from your original claims, whilst refusing to acknowledge being proven wrong, is moderately enjoyable.

Keep trying to tweak your argument if you want, but I’ll stick to your original words.

I’ll quote them again for you if you want.

[DA1]

You do realise that the words “fighter” and “talent” have different meanings, because in the context of our debate, they aren’t synonymous.

So you’ve just made yet another attempt to change the argument.

Stay nitpicking on the semantics.

Seeing you trying your best to distance yourself from your original claims, whilst refusing to acknowledge being proven wrong, is moderately enjoyable.

Keep trying to tweak your argument if you want, but I’ll stick to your original words.

I’ll quote them again for you if you want.

I stand behind my statements 100%.