Floyd Patterson of the second and third Ingo Bingo fight vs. 1967 Jerry Quarry

[scorpio83]

We know that former heavyweight champion Floyd Patterson drew and lost by decision to Jerry Quarry in both fights in 1967. However, how would the Floyd Patterson, who fought Ingemar Johannson in their second and third fight fare against that Jerry Quarry who he faced in 1967. Would Patterson decision him or cut him for a TKO win?

[Ambling Alp II]

Patterson would have won. He was a better fighter then. The first Johannson fight was arguably the best fight of his career. He also had Dan Florio as his trainer then. Florio was one of the best of all time.

[Seamus]

I think you mean the 2nd fight.

[Ambling Alp II]

Yes, I meant the 2nd fight. The first fight with Johannson certainly was not the best fight of Patterson's career.

[bwu]

AA II is right. As formidable as Quarry could be, the Patterson of the second Ingo fight was a level above. I would go so far as to say that it was the one time in his career that people would describe Floyd as scary.

That final left hook, one of the greatest in history, was brutal. Patterson had a few seconds of celebration, observed Johansson, then tried to go over and help revive him.

From what we know of Patterson's sensitive nature, I don't think he ever permitted himself to fight that way again. He was worried that he killed the guy and would never permit himself to reach that intensity for the rest of his career.

Only the top level performers could top Patterson in the fifth round of the second fight. Quarry wasn't among that group.

[dalcumly]

The dangers of boxing! Patterson was a great favourite of mine, but I've a sad story about him.
The late London trainer/ manager Dennie Mancini spent a lot of time with Patterson in London when he was there for the Cooper fight in 1966. Two years later they met up again in Sweden when Patterson was fighting Ellis. Once again Dennie was often in Patterson's company, and might even have assisted in the corner for the Ellis fight.
The morning after the fight they met up at the airport en route to their respective destinations. Dennie sat down to speak to Floyd and quickly realised that the former champ had no idea who he was. Patterson was struggling to construct a sentence. Dennie felt that Patterson thought he was a complete stranger, just another passenger waiting for a flight.
I had another look at Floyd's record and he had 10 further fights after this.
He went on to become a Commissioner with the NYSAC and I don't know how he got on, perhaps somebody could enlighten us?
Great fighter, terrific puncher, quick, fit, weak chin, humble and respectful.

[DrDuke]

Patterson was never the same after Liston.

[Ambling Alp II]

He was up and down after that. The Machen fight was one of his best fights. His hand speed had started to decline by the Quarry fights.

[Ambling Alp II]

The dangers of boxing! Patterson was a great favourite of mine, but I've a sad story about him.
The late London trainer/ manager Dennie Mancini spent a lot of time with Patterson in London when he was there for the Cooper fight in 1966. Two years later they met up again in Sweden when Patterson was fighting Ellis. Once again Dennie was often in Patterson's company, and might even have assisted in the corner for the Ellis fight.
The morning after the fight they met up at the airport en route to their respective destinations. Dennie sat down to speak to Floyd and quickly realised that the former champ had no idea who he was. Patterson was struggling to construct a sentence. Dennie felt that Patterson thought he was a complete stranger, just another passenger waiting for a flight.
I had another look at Floyd's record and he had 10 further fights after this.
He went on to become a Commissioner with the NYSAC and I don't know how he got on, perhaps somebody could enlighten us?
Great fighter, terrific puncher, quick, fit, weak chin, humble and respectful.

I saw him on TV a few times in the late 1970s/early 1980s and he seemed fine. Maybe something was wrong with him the day you are referring to.

[evrenb]

The dangers of boxing! Patterson was a great favourite of mine, but I've a sad story about him.
The late London trainer/ manager Dennie Mancini spent a lot of time with Patterson in London when he was there for the Cooper fight in 1966. Two years later they met up again in Sweden when Patterson was fighting Ellis. Once again Dennie was often in Patterson's company, and might even have assisted in the corner for the Ellis fight.
The morning after the fight they met up at the airport en route to their respective destinations. Dennie sat down to speak to Floyd and quickly realised that the former champ had no idea who he was. Patterson was struggling to construct a sentence. Dennie felt that Patterson thought he was a complete stranger, just another passenger waiting for a flight.
I had another look at Floyd's record and he had 10 further fights after this.
He went on to become a Commissioner with the NYSAC and I don't know how he got on, perhaps somebody could enlighten us?
Great fighter, terrific puncher, quick, fit, weak chin, humble and respectful.

I saw him on TV a few times in the late 1970s/early 1980s and he seemed fine. Maybe something was wrong with him the day you are referring to.

Perhaps it was The Ellis right hands...i remember an interview with Patterson and one of his claims in it was quite unbelievable...memory loss or dementia may make some sense to it...