Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury - 1 December 2018

[Grilling Machine]

Yeah, I think it's a cauldron of collective weaknesses making the current gen fun. Some of the guys from the last bunch were better all-rounders (prime Povetkin and Wlad), but it was actually their overall efficiency that made them so frequently dull (cf. Young Wlad). They're the Ottkes of the boxing world who are good enough to avoid getting smashed, but seldom exciting themselves.

Re: this fight, I came in to post some amateur-psych thoughts on Fury's mental burden...

I've always been fairly quick to dismiss Peter's acclaimed tactical value. It's not that I don't rate it to some degree, I just think it's overhyped in general. But I think I've underrated him highly in one area: he's not John.

The thing with John is that he now lives vicariously through Tyson, adding a ton of unfair pressure on his son. For as long as we entertain the possibility of Tyson being the best of his generation, John's able to square his own career as wasted potential and a lack of training, ahead of the harsh reality that he was never a top contender; 'course, how many of us are... Tyson losing will be as hurtful to him as if he'd lost personally, his misplaced pride in his hardman reputation affected. If that comes to pass, I won't be surprised to see him in the ring remonstrating every which way with anyone who'll engage.

Because if Tyson gets blasted out then our revisions will come in haste. He'll no longer be the greatest-in-waiting but — near-universally thereafter — the man who peaked against an allegedly preoccupied Wlad. Wilder's pressure only really comes from himself, and that's how it should be for all fighters.

As for fight tactics, I agree with those who think it's imperative for Fury to stay close and take away Wilder's power-enabling leverage. I wrote a lengthy post a while back about it, but the gist is that Fury's heavier and Wilder hasn't shown knockout power on the backfoot yet, nor a great deal of imagination on the inside. I think if Fury tries repeating his Wlad tactics he'll be shocked by Wilder's speed, reach and power. Not least Wilder's willingness to swing for the fences if he doesn't feel overly threatened by Fury's knockout potential. But then maybe he will...

Wilder's his tallest opponent and I strongly feel that Fury's picked up bad habits from going unpunished against shorter men. It's been fine for him to momentarily stick his chin out when switching from afar, but he won't have that luxury in this fight. He'll have to be preternaturally disciplined if he wants to win from range; I feel certain of that.

[coneye]

We'll see what they do , back away from a swinger especielly in a straight line , he will catch you sooner or later ,, stick on his chest you take that swing away , Fury i feel would be the better inside fighter , and the better mover , so he has to be right away from him or right on top of him , The million dollar question is Hows he gonna do it , I doubt his corner will have enough knoledge so its up to Furys experience , will that be enough personaly i don't know

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Oiky]

Tyson looking well

[HomicideHenry]

An interesting note to make... David Haye, who was set to fight Fury years ago, sparred with Wilder in preparation for that match, and Wilder kept getting nailed with a certain particular punch that had him rocking and rolling all over the place... In my view, Wilder hasn't really evolved MUCH (keyword) since that time, so it's possible that Fury might use that same tactic on Wilder.

And yes, Fury is looking like his old self. If someone told somebody, "Can you believe that guy was 400 pounds a year ago?", nobody would believe them. I bet he'll come in 247 pounds come fight night.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hearn has said the fights sold 8,000 tickets so far. Arena holds 19,000. Top tier isn’t opened yet.

From a man who doubted so much the fight would not happen.

[JimStone]

An interesting note to make... David Haye, who was set to fight Fury years ago, sparred with Wilder in preparation for that match, and Wilder kept getting nailed with a certain particular punch that had him rocking and rolling all over the place... In my view, Wilder hasn't really evolved MUCH (keyword) since that time, so it's possible that Fury might use that same tactic on Wilder.

The little snatches of footage released from those spars was cherry picked by Haye himself. Not sure it tells us too much.

[ironbeard]

Fury looks good. He deserves credit for getting into fighting shape for this. I have been hard on the man ever since his Sh!t on his career and the sport in general, but I believe in redemption when legitimately earned.

I am looking forward to the fight.

[Counter-puncher]

An interesting note to make... David Haye, who was set to fight Fury years ago, sparred with Wilder in preparation for that match, and Wilder kept getting nailed with a certain particular punch that had him rocking and rolling all over the place... it's possible that Fury might use that same tactic on Wilder.

That tactic was Haye a man of 6.2 swaying from the waist and ducking low with a level change and sending an overhand right towards his much taller opponent from a crouching position

Fury has literally never used that tactic. It's for smaller men against taller men, Fury isn't a level change/overhand right guy, he fights tall, so no, he won't be using the tactic of making himself small by bending at the waist and delivering an overhand right from a low position

Unless by 'use the same tactic' you mean 'he's going to try to punch him in the face', in which case you're probably right. I imagine punches to the face will be central to Fury's gameplan.

[HomicideHenry]

I'm talking about the game plan. To set up the trap and throw the overhand right straight down the line on Wilder's chin. To take away Wilder's best punch from him, by beating him to the punch with it.

[Counter-puncher]

so trying to punch him in the face is the tactical similarity. It won't be overhand rights as Fury doesn't really throw them.

[HomicideHenry]

so trying to punch him in the face is the tactical similarity. It won't be overhand rights as Fury doesn't really throw them.

Exactly. It's unexpected. That's why we'll see it utilized December 1st because Wilder is expecting everything but a confrontational Fury.

That's why I believe the Joe Joyce getting knocked out rumors that were denied--- he's going to mix it up alot more than he did for the Klitschko fight because he knows Wilder will be swinging for the fences--- so he's working on the tactics to beat Wilder to the punch.

[Counter-puncher]

I know he has had a great transformation in his physique but how is he going to lose 5" in height?

Look, you're wrong. He doesn't throw overhand rights, he won't throw overhand rights, because (1) he's 6'9 and fights tall and (2) he doesn't sit down deep on his punches

And in a few weeks time you will point to Fury throwing a perfectly straight right hand from distance and an upright stance and claim you were right all along

[HomicideHenry]

You don't need to dip down to get inside to throw an overhand right--- Fury's going to side step, step in (sit down) and nail home the right hand, then spin away and fire off jabs and/or combinations.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[rd350lc]

Fury looks good. He deserves credit for getting into fighting shape for this. I have been hard on the man ever since his Sh!t on his career and the sport in general, but I believe in redemption when legitimately earned.

I am looking forward to the fight.

, I think the same but he's still going to get his arse handed to him

[DrDuke]

A cool pic, but why there are two images of Jeffries? And Marvis wasn't at the level of the others there.

[Wa1nuts]

Good pic but not the most flattering photo of fury ha

[DrDuke]

[maverick23]

Fury looks good. He deserves credit for getting into fighting shape for this. I have been hard on the man ever since his Sh!t on his career and the sport in general, but I believe in redemption when legitimately earned.

I am looking forward to the fight.

I think mentally he seems switched on for the fight.

My concern for him is that almost 3 years out of the ring abusing his body will have caused some lasting damage. He may be ok fighting guys like Pianeta but will he still be the same fighter he was against Klitschko now against Wilder? I doubt it but I’ll love to proven wrong.

[dr_devious]

Will he need to be at the same level against Wilder, who is no Vladimir Klitschko? The only question is whether Fury can keep away sufficiently well not to be knocked out. If he does he wins easily by late stoppage or wide on points. He's looking pretty lean by his standards so hopefully his movement will be good enough, his boxing skills are far superior to Wilder's.

[Boxerbeetle]

Subtle.

[Grilling Machine]

Fury i feel would be the better inside fighter , and the better mover , so he has to be right away from him or right on top of him , The million dollar question is Hows he gonna do it , I doubt his corner will have enough knoledge so its up to Furys experience , will that be enough personaly i don't know

Exactly that, I reckon. Fury has to be in or out or Wilder shakes him all about.

It's not unreasonable to see Fury winning, but I'm sticking with Wilder because Fury hasn't beaten a dangerous tall man if you discount latterday Wlad, and I'm dubious about his known tactics working against such a rangy, powerful puncher. Which is a very good case for taking it to Wilder and keeping it close, like we say. Really looking forward to it.

I can well imagine Fury getting dropped, seeing red, and then grinding Wilder down up close with his sheer size. But Wilder's not Cunningham, so Fury'd do well to recover from a flash knockdown.

[dr_devious]

I'd be more confident if Peter was in the corner too

[adamwillan]

Just got round to listening to the Rogan podcast, what an enthralling listen! Didn't expect him to open up quite so much, massive respect for him turning it around.