Does Oscar deserve a fight with PBF?

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 08 May 2006, 18:00

Taking into account all that Oscar has acheived, does he deserve this chance?
Obviously, money does not come into this where Oscar is concerned, on the basis of enhancing his legacy for posterity, is he deserving?

CrunchTime · Post by **CrunchTime** » 09 May 2006, 02:45

bigzab wrote:Taking into account all that Oscar has acheived, does he deserve this chance?
Obviously, money does not come into this where Oscar is concerned, on the basis of enhancing his legacy for posterity, is he deserving?

Is the pope Catholic?!?

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 09 May 2006, 03:02

CrunchTime wrote:
bigzab wrote:Taking into account all that Oscar has acheived, does he deserve this chance?
Obviously, money does not come into this where Oscar is concerned, on the basis of enhancing his legacy for posterity, is he deserving?
Is the pope Catholic?!?

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 09 May 2006, 03:51

bigzab wrote:
CrunchTime wrote:
bigzab wrote:Taking into account all that Oscar has acheived, does he deserve this chance?
Obviously, money does not come into this where Oscar is concerned, on the basis of enhancing his legacy for posterity, is he deserving?
Is the pope Catholic?!?

who is the clown who voted no?!? step up & defend that ridiculous position!!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 09 May 2006, 04:27

Of course he bloody does, Oscar is one of the greatest fighters of his generation and the biggest star in the sport sub heavyweight there's ever been, outearning even Sugar Ray Leonard. If anything the question should be asked the other way around, as Oscar doesn't really need Mayweather at all.

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 09 May 2006, 05:24

shoutout2u wrote:
who is the clown who voted no?!? step up & defend that ridiculous position!!

Check out the Who do you want next for Oscar thread - it's obvious.

kerrminator · Post by **kerrminator** » 09 May 2006, 05:52

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Of course he bloody does, Oscar is one of the greatest fighters of his generation and the biggest star in the sport sub heavyweight there's ever been, outearning even Sugar Ray Leonard. If anything the question should be asked the other way around, as Oscar doesn't really need Mayweather at all.

Took the words right out of my mouth mate

It should read does PBF deserve a shot at Oscar?

numpty · Post by **numpty** » 09 May 2006, 05:57

Even if Oscar doesn't, the fans certainly do!

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 09 May 2006, 06:01

Since when did 'deserve' come into the equation of choosing Mayweather opponents?

Boxing Addict · Post by **Boxing Addict** » 09 May 2006, 10:57

Why does someone have to deserve a fight with Mayweather.

Mayweather might be unbeaten, but he is the most cautious boxer in the world, he never takes a risks, he always counters against good fighters, never makes the first move. He never fights, always boxes. Imagine if he tried to fight properly against the likes of Castillo / Corrales / Judah
Mayweather might be the best record P4P, and is very fast - both hands and feet but not popular with me

De La Hoya is more than proven his worth, he has technical ability just like mayweather, but how many proper fights has he been in. Always fights with his heart, mixing the ability, takes a few risks etc, very popular. I reckon most boxing fans would love it if he beat Mayweather - I know I would

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 09 May 2006, 10:59

Of course he does. What a question. Oscar is a living legend.
The question is whether he wants it.

kerrminator · Post by **kerrminator** » 09 May 2006, 12:38

pundit wrote:Of course he does. What a question. Oscar is a living legend.
The question is whether he wants it.

One thing people forget aswell is the way you comeback from defeat can speak volumes about a fighter and Oscar has shown us all what a warrior he really is.

PBF will not take the sort of risks to ever be called a great, never mind p4p best.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 09 May 2006, 15:15

bigzab wrote:
shoutout2u wrote:
who is the clown who voted no?!? step up & defend that ridiculous position!!
Check out the Who do you want next for Oscar thread - it's obvious.

Not me actually; I haven't voted... yet :)

I'll explain more in that thread.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 11 May 2006, 08:01

Well money talks and if Osca wants the fight it will happen. In terms of the fight its self I recon Mayweather would proberbly do it, not sure why people are slagging him off for not wanting to get punched though

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 11 May 2006, 08:03

The question should be, Does Floyd deserve a fight with Oscar?

Since Oscar brings the money to the table.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 11 May 2006, 08:09

The question should be what fight do most fans want to see, and what is the most exciting looking fight. Thats the point of boxing.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 May 2006, 08:14

Boxing Addict wrote:Why does someone have to deserve a fight with Mayweather.

Mayweather might be unbeaten, but he is the most cautious boxer in the world, he never takes a risks, he always counters against good fighters, never makes the first move. He never fights, always boxes. Imagine if he tried to fight properly against the likes of Castillo / Corrales / Judah
Mayweather might be the best record P4P, and is very fast - both hands and feet but not popular with me

De La Hoya is more than proven his worth, he has technical ability just like mayweather, but how many proper fights has he been in. Always fights with his heart, mixing the ability, takes a few risks etc, very popular. I reckon most boxing fans would love it if he beat Mayweather - I know I would

So when Corralles hit the deck 5 times, I guess he was just tripping over his shoelaces, and Gatti just felt a bit sick and decided to quit.

Sure, Mayweather is a boxer, but he isn't a Pernell Whittaker who just jabs and moves all the time, not that there's anything wrong with that. Mayweather is a counterpuncher, but he stood his ground and absolutely clattered the shit out of Gatti.

Mayweather has 24 KO's out of 36, a KO ratio of 66.66%, which is pretty high for a counterpuncher, 4 of his last 6 fights didn't go the distance.

He is also in nowadays with naturally bigger men, so of course he cannot afford to just stand and trade. Oscar, by contrast through much if his career came into his fights with big advantages in height, weight and reach often against naturally much smaller men.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 11 May 2006, 09:41

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Oscar, by contrast through much if his career came into his fights with big advantages in height, weight and reach often against naturally much smaller men.

disagree with this... Oscar fought the career defining and better part of his career against men of atleast equal size, Tito, Vargas, Quartey, Sturm, Hopkins, Mayorga, Campas, Castillejo etc

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 May 2006, 09:43

Of those fights, I would only consider the Tito fight as career defining. Vargas was past it and the other fights were not defining. I'm talking about where he had most of his major success and actually retained his titles during his earlier career.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 11 May 2006, 09:54

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Of those fights, I would only consider the Tito fight as career defining. Vargas was past it and the other fights were not defining. I'm talking about where he had most of his major success and actually retained his titles during his earlier career.

It can be argued that most of his major success was at welterweight and above.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 11 May 2006, 10:20

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Of those fights, I would only consider the Tito fight as career defining. Vargas was past it and the other fights were not defining. I'm talking about where he had most of his major success and actually retained his titles during his earlier career.

come on james, nobody remembers those early fights.....perhaps career defining wasnt the right choice of words...

Quartey fight was equal to Tito in my opinion.... Vargas whilst arguably not prime was far from past it and a bigger man that Oscar, he was also bang on the juice in that fight...

the BETTER part of oscars career was certainly fought against men of equal size... thats my point!!!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 May 2006, 10:55

I look at a lot of his more recent fights as cash in jobs. Vargas might have been bigger, but he had documented thyroid problems, and a serious back injury. For me his defining fights, the ones which made him a star were the first fight with Mosley, Quartey, Tszyu, Chavez, Carr, Camacho and Whittaker.

Although he's fought a lot of his late career at Welter and above, the quality of those fights hasn't been the same, and he hasn't fought as often. Since 2000, he has only fought 8 times, less than twice a year. Between 1995 and 2000, he fought 16 times and cemented his place as a sports megastar and multiple champ.

DLH is now in the same position as Ray Leonard was in his late career, cherry picking fights, whereas earlier he was winning and defending belts successfully. Like Leonard he became fixated with weight hopping and like Leonard if he hang on that bit too long, he's going to get a slap, and Mayweather might just be the man to do it. I think Oscar knows that, and may well find a way to negotiate his way out of that one.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 11 May 2006, 11:04

To me De La Hoya looked stronger and better conditioned against Mayorga than he has in years. I'd be very surprised if he was looking to avoid a challenge from Mayweather at this stage.

With the possible exception of Winky Wright I don't think there's a fighter out there that Oscar would deliberately move away from.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 May 2006, 11:06

Take into account that Mayorga is the perfect opponent to not expose any sign of declining sharpness. I haven't seen the fight, and I have heard Oscar looked pretty sensational, but whaling away on a big lug like Mayorga is nothing like trying to chase shadows against Floyd.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 11 May 2006, 11:08

De La Hoya fought most of his big fights in that 1995-2000 period at welter against natural welters...

those lower weight titles, in my opinion were very much the "starter" of his career. Had he retired then and never moved to welter he would have been a good champion who beat oversized guys....

Welterweight was the "main course", thats where his legend was made, fighting guys equal in size if not bigger.

Since Vargas its been the "dessert", cherry picking the fights he wanted, assured his legacy was complete.

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