Usyk vs Joshua who would win?

[Onetimeonly]

Usyk will beat most heavys, but Joshua is a tough task. So are Fury, Wilder and Ortiz. I think it will be difficult for him to outbox a 6'9 opponent with a good jab.

A 6'9 fighter would be a tough task, luckily for usyk that guy has never existed. Fury's jab is wide open for counters.

[sharpei_louis]

I take it this scoring is the anti-Sky judging. Whats the point of the criteria you're picking if you're just going to give Usyk 10/10 on everything? They may as well not fight if your grading is right! Everything you scored in terms of mobility and speed is at cruiser. Two stone or there abouts can marginally affect any of those categories and elite boxing is about fine margins.

Usyk may struggle with Whyte first. Bellew landed plenty and let's not start this 'Usyk let Bellew hit him' guff. If you're gonna tell me someone like Whyte let alone Joshua is no different to anyone Usyk has faced then you're almost as biased as Froch, Smith and co.

[ValMar]

I take it this scoring is the anti-Sky judging. Whats the point of the criteria you're picking if you're just going to give Usyk 10/10 on everything? They may as well not fight if your grading is right! Everything you scored in terms of mobility and speed is at cruiser. Two stone or there abouts can marginally affect any of those categories and elite boxing is about fine margins.

Usyk may struggle with Whyte first. Bellew landed plenty and let's not start this 'Usyk let Bellew hit him' guff. If you're gonna tell me someone like Whyte let alone Joshua is no different to anyone Usyk has faced then you're almost as biased as Froch, Smith and co.

Punching power Joshua 10/10, Usyk 7/10...............Biased ?

[sharpei_louis]

No but you couldn't say anything else on that could you.

[ValMar]

There are several decisive factors :

1. Punching power : Joshua 10/10, Usyk 7/10
2. Chin (punch resistance/recovery) : Joshua 8/10, Usyk 10/10 at CW (HW ??)
3. Mind-set/hearth : Joshua 10/10, Usyk 10/10
4. Stamina : Joshua 7/10, Usyk 10/10
5. Skills : Joshua : 8/10, Usyk 10/10
6. Mobility : Joshua 8/10, Usyk 10/10

7. The judges/referees will be on Joshua's side, I have no dilemma.

The key(s) for victory : Joshua's capability to punch cleanly at least once (and, unfortunately - the judges and the ref).

[Blodhemn]

I've had Usyk over Joshua since the beginning. The disparity in skills is too vast. The only issue is the insane bias against an outsider fighting in the UK. Easily the most corrupt place in boxing currently, even worse than Vegas given the frequency of events.

[Ilya Muromets]

I've had Usyk over Joshua since the beginning. The disparity in skills is too vast. The only issue is the insane bias against an outsider fighting in the UK. Easily the most corrupt place in boxing currently, even worse than Vegas given the frequency of events.

Vegas is by far the worst. NYC second worst. UK a distant 3rd.

If Usyk fights Joshua he'll probably weigh about 212 to 222. Povetkin weighed 222 and he was beating up Joshua until he ran out of gas. Usyk is younger and phenominally skillful.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Weight doesn’t matter.

Wilder and Povetkin weigh around 220lbs.

Usyk can still beat guys via TKO. Ref stoppages.

Bellew said himself, he might not have the best power out there but it’s how he let’s his shots go.

He can adapt well and he’s shown us that before.

Why do we have weight classes then?

[jamesmcdonnell]

I've had Usyk over Joshua since the beginning. The disparity in skills is too vast. The only issue is the insane bias against an outsider fighting in the UK. Easily the most corrupt place in boxing currently, even worse than Vegas given the frequency of events.

Vegas is by far the worst. NYC second worst. UK a distant 3rd.

If Usyk fights Joshua he'll probably weigh about 212 to 222. Povetkin weighed 222 and he was beating up Joshua until he ran out of gas. Usyk is younger and phenominally skillful.

You are a retard.

[jamamb]

the elite giants are too big and strong for usyk, but i think he can be one of the next best guys, better then the likes of parker. also i think hws are likely to force usyk into the approach that is most effective for him: moving on the back foot rather then taking the lead

tbh, aside from the biggest few guys, there are loads of hw contenders in recent years who i think arent far naturally bigger then usyk (6'3/78/ripped at a dehydrated 200) when you account for artifical flab weight:

-joe parker
-kubrat pulev
-luis ortiz (showtime gave him at the same height and reach as usyk and easily has 20+ pounds of flab)
-alex povetkin
-david haye
-ruslan chagaev
-bermane stiverne
-carlos takam
-derek chisora
-bryant jennings
-thomas admaek
-andy ruiz jr
-eddie chambers (lost at cruiser to usyk victim thabiso mchunu)-mike perez
-adam kownacki
-artur szpilka
-chris arreola
-vach glaskov
-etc

and what would a guy like dyl whyte, with very similar height and reach to usyk, weigh if he were as ripped as usyk? maybe more in the low 220s then high 240s im thinking. i dont think a guy like whyte is naturally far bigger then usyk.

tbf, none of these guys were absolute top hws, but a few won titles and some like povetkin and ortiz were probably among the top 3-5 for a while. i can see the same for usyk, not bettering the elite giants, but being among the next best.

[candyslim]

Usyk totally schooled Joe Joyce who was a top class amateur, much bigger and more powerful than Usyk. He is very slow though and for all the labelling of him as 'robotic', Joshua can move well for a man of his size and has very good handspeed. He throws hard punches in combinations and has an effective jab.

I've no doubt that Usyk is the more highly skilled boxer but the gap is not enormous and I don't think it would be enough to off-set Joshua's physical advantages.

I will say though that Usyk is definitely a member of an exclusive group of fighters that would stand a realistic chance of defeating Anthony Joshua (Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Oleksandr Usyk, and associate members Luis Ortiz, Dillian Whyte, and Jarrell Miller. Filip Hrgovic membership application pending

[jamamb]

usyk i think is likely to have speed, movement, and stamina in far greater amounts then most hws. people have said these abilities may be hurt moving up, but i doubt to the extent where its a great change. that i feel should get him pretty far, but do think the elite super hws are too much.

btw, he also won 5-0 over 3x world shw champ magomedrasaul, the same guy who won the worlds last year and beat aj in 2011, that might actually be an even better win then over joyce

he also beat up and bloodied junior fa, and that was a fight where usyk actually came forward and was physsically bossing it

[Rob3_142]

I think most guys here are giving Joshua a disservice. He moves remarksbly well for his size, has a very good skill set, effective jab, and can go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace. I also think the conspiracy theory around judges scoring is a little far fetched too. I personally had him ahead on the Klitschko card, comfortable winner in the Parker fight, although behind on the Povetkin cards. Joshua has only ever needed the judges on one occasion, and that was far from a robbery.

I suspect a similar fight to the Parker fight. Usyk will be slippy and hard to pin down for a flush right, but he'll have to be in and out against a much bigger and stronger man. Joshua can come out a little slow, and struggled with the Povetkin aggression early on, but does adapt well. Question is, can Usyk keep Joshua guessing and can he keep the energy high enough for 12 rounds to keep Joshua at a comfortable range?

[Blodhemn]

Judging in the UK is simply terrible. Nothing conspiratorial about it. Joshua is overrated but that doesn't mean he's not good, Usyk is just better. Also find the whole UK cheerleading simply weird. It's as if the entire scene is fabricated and handled with such care that it projects a fantasy narrative entirely of it's own. Just simply weird. Like HBO on drugs.

[Counter-puncher]

I think most guys here are giving Joshua a disservice. He moves remarksbly well for his size, has a very good skill set, effective jab, and can go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace.

since when?

against Parker he threw about 20 punches a round? not many more against Takam.

if he has ever fought 12 rounds at a reasonable pace I've missed it.

[jamamb]

he doesnt really move much either, when were those fights? his feet in the ring are slower then his hands

[Rob3_142]

I think what you're doing here is confusing casual fans with boxing fans. They're not the same thing.

I also think you're applying selective thinking. Bad scoring is a international thing, and I'm sure you'd go a long way to find a country which applies a completely unbiased scoring.

[jamamb]

japan is above the rest for fair scoring from what ive seen

but most countries, im not really sure any are far worse then the others, basically there is an overall clear advantage for a-side house fighters

[Rob3_142]

I think most guys here are giving Joshua a disservice. He moves remarksbly well for his size, has a very good skill set, effective jab, and can go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace.

since when?

against Parker he threw about 20 punches a round? not many more against Takam.

if he has ever fought 12 rounds at a reasonable pace I've missed it.

Well you've managed to narrow it down to the only 12 rounds he's ever completed, well done.

I said reasonable pace, which is what it was. It wasn't high paced, which may have been a result of what happened in the Klitschko fight, the Parker tactics, and the unbelievably annoying referee.

[Rob3_142]

japan is above the rest for fair scoring from what ive seen

but most countries, im not really sure any are far worse then the others, basically there is an overall clear advantage for a-side house fighters

I think you could probably say the majority of countries which wouldn't be considered stables for international boxing would be more impartial than places where millions are on the line.

[jamamb]

ya could be, although basically i think almost anywhere where promotional /general support leans one way there is inclined to bias. some of the worst decisions ive seen were just in local amateur shows

[Counter-puncher]

I think most guys here are giving Joshua a disservice. He moves remarksbly well for his size, has a very good skill set, effective jab, and can go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace.

since when?

against Parker he threw about 20 punches a round? not many more against Takam.

if he has ever fought 12 rounds at a reasonable pace I've missed it.

Well you've managed to narrow it down to the only 12 rounds he's ever completed, well done.

I said reasonable pace, which is what it was. It wasn't high paced, which may have been a result of what happened in the Klitschko fight, the Parker tactics, and the unbelievably annoying referee.

I'd say reasonable is overstating it. he was visibly tentative of committing to punches for fear of gassing against both Takam and Parker.

[Blodhemn]

japan is above the rest for fair scoring from what ive seen

but most countries, im not really sure any are far worse then the others, basically there is an overall clear advantage for a-side house fighters

Japan and funnily enough, Russia. UK scoring gives a strong impression of the old German way where practically every major fight slanted towards the dubious.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Weight doesn’t matter.

Wilder and Povetkin weigh around 220lbs.

Usyk can still beat guys via TKO. Ref stoppages.

Bellew said himself, he might not have the best power out there but it’s how he let’s his shots go.

He can adapt well and he’s shown us that before.

Why do we have weight classes then?

I mean for HW’s. It anything above 200lbs.

[Boxerbeetle]

I think most guys here are giving Joshua a disservice. He moves remarksbly well for his size, has a very good skill set, effective jab, and can go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace. I also think the conspiracy theory around judges scoring is a little far fetched too. I personally had him ahead on the Klitschko card, comfortable winner in the Parker fight, although behind on the Povetkin cards. Joshua has only ever needed the judges on one occasion, and that was far from a robbery.

I suspect a similar fight to the Parker fight. Usyk will be slippy and hard to pin down for a flush right, but he'll have to be in and out against a much bigger and stronger man. Joshua can come out a little slow, and struggled with the Povetkin aggression early on, but does adapt well. Question is, can Usyk keep Joshua guessing and can he keep the energy high enough for 12 rounds to keep Joshua at a comfortable range?

Bodyshots would be key for Joshua against Usyk.