Usky next move??

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Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 09:08 Usykl would have to fight at heavy once. Then he'll be the mandatory.
Usyk will be instated as the WBO's mandatory challenger shortly after AJ defeats Whyte in April, but the Brit would likely be forced to make the Ukraine wait a year for his title shot, because of his busy schedule.

Either way, we won't see a bout between AJ and Usyk until the second half of 2020 (at the earliest), unless Matchroom pays step-aside fees.

Usyk won't want an immediate title shot anyway, so it won't be such an issue for him.
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Cent0089 wrote: 11 Nov 2018, 03:53 Id like to see Usyk staying at cruiser. Mike Perez first, then Lawrence Okolie if he wanna big fight in UK. Then WBSS winner, If he can handle that, then go to heavyweight. :box: :box: :box:
why would he fight a loser and a novice for peanuts?
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Lackeos wrote: 11 Nov 2018, 04:53 RJJ moved-up and fought John Ruiz for a belt. David Haye moved-up and fought Monte Barrett, followed by Nikolay valuev for a belt. Steve Cunningham moved-up and fought Jason Gavern, followed by Tomasz Adamek. Tomasz Adamek moved-up and fought two bad gatekeepers before Chris Arreola.

Since Bellew technically counts as a heavyweight fight, Usyk will probably be looking to next fight a #10-15 heavyweight for some vacant interim belt. Wouldn't be surprising if it were against a former cruiserweight like Huck.
He technically doesn't. He literally technically doesn't
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ValMar wrote: 11 Nov 2018, 09:07 If Whyte defeats Chisora, he will be his next opponent, likely. If not - nobody knows.

I would like to see H. Fury, Parker or Breazeale.
No he won't. Whyte will fight AJ in April
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Enlightened-One wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 09:19
Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 09:08 Usykl would have to fight at heavy once. Then he'll be the mandatory.
Usyk will be instated as the WBO's mandatory challenger shortly after AJ defeats Whyte in April, but the Brit would likely be forced to make the Ukraine wait a year for his title shot, because of his busy schedule.

Either way, we won't see a bout between AJ and Usyk until the second half of 2020 (at the earliest), unless Matchroom pays step-aside fees.
He'll be the mandatory as soon as he moves up.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 09:32
Enlightened-One wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 09:19
Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 09:08 Usykl would have to fight at heavy once. Then he'll be the mandatory.
Usyk will be instated as the WBO's mandatory challenger shortly after AJ defeats Whyte in April, but the Brit would likely be forced to make the Ukraine wait a year for his title shot, because of his busy schedule.

Either way, we won't see a bout between AJ and Usyk until the second half of 2020 (at the earliest), unless Matchroom pays step-aside fees.
He'll be the mandatory as soon as he moves up.
That may or may not be true, but it's irrelevant, since the WBO rules allow two mandatory challengers.

Here's what we know based on Eddie Hearn's and Oleksandr Usyk's own words...

Oleksandr Usyk has two bouts remaining from his three-fight deal with Matchroom. If the Ukraine wants to receive an opportunity to share the ring with Anthony Joshua, he’ll have to ensure that K2 and himself extend that deal.

Eddie Hearn has stated his belief that Oleksandr Usyk will almost certainly want at least two fights at heavyweight prior to challenging for the world title. The Ukraine apparently doesn’t want to face AJ immediately, and coincidentally, Matchroom wants the public interest in this bout to “marinate.”

The Matchroom boss also expressed his doubts about Usyk fighting again until May, because the Ukraine is "tired" after having a particularly difficult 2018. Oleksandr confirmed this during the Tony Bellew post-fight press conference.

For now, though, Oleksandr Usyk is still a cruiserweight and hasn't vacated any of his 200lbs titles. K2 will notify Matchroom of their plans for Usyk's preferred career path and Eddie Hearn will attempt to facilitate them.

Eddie Hearn hasn’t ruled-out the potential of a bout between Usyk and Joshua during 2019, because AJ is genuinely interested in facing the Ukraine "Road Warrior", but he said that this would be challenging (highly-unlikely), for the following reasons:

• If Anthony Joshua can make the Deontay Wilder title unification bout during 2019, that'll be a two-fight deal, which will include a guaranteed immediate rematch clause.

• AJ will almost certainly be facing Dillian Whyte on the 13th April 2019 and probably Kubrat Pulev in September/October if Joshua fails to agree terms with 'The Bronze Bomber' for their title unification fight.

• Jarrell ‘Big Baby’ Miller will soon become the mandatory challenger for AJ's WBA title, which is an opportunity the American will likely explore during the first half of 2020 (assuming Joshua isn't tied-up with the Wilder rematch).

If everything that Usyk's team and Matchroom have been telling the media is true, then Oleksandr is highly-unlikely to face Anthony Joshua during 2019.
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It's true. I accept your apology.
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stepping up to HW is different than stepping up to any other division
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Did I just read that the wbo have two mandatory challengers? What a joke
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ewenhay wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 12:00 Did I just read that the wbo have two mandatory challengers? What a joke
Yes, I’m sad enough to have read their rules today to confirm this.

I’m guessing it’s by exception rather than being commonplace.

Other governing bodies have the same rule as the WBO.

If Dillian Whyte had agreed to fight Luis Ortiz, then the winner of that final eliminator would have been instated as the WBC’s second mandatory challenger (with Dominic Breazeale being the other one) for Deontay Wilder’s world title.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 12:46
ewenhay wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 12:00 Did I just read that the wbo have two mandatory challengers? What a joke
Yes, I’m sad enough to have read their rules today to confirm this.

I’m guessing it’s by exception rather than being commonplace.

Other governing bodies have the same rule as the WBO.

If Dillian Whyte had agreed to fight Luis Ortiz, then the winner of that final eliminator would have been instated as the WBC’s second mandatory challenger (with Dominic Breazeale being the other one) for Deontay Wilder’s world title.
2 mandatory challengers
Silver belts
Intercontinental belts
Diamond belts
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ewenhay wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 13:17
Enlightened-One wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 12:46
ewenhay wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 12:00 Did I just read that the wbo have two mandatory challengers? What a joke
Yes, I’m sad enough to have read their rules today to confirm this.

I’m guessing it’s by exception rather than being commonplace.

Other governing bodies have the same rule as the WBO.

If Dillian Whyte had agreed to fight Luis Ortiz, then the winner of that final eliminator would have been instated as the WBC’s second mandatory challenger (with Dominic Breazeale being the other one) for Deontay Wilder’s world title.
2 mandatory challengers
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Intercontinental belts
Diamond belts
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Madness
Yes ! :doh: :verysad:
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I said (and wrote) so many times that Tyson Fury would be the most dangerous opponent for Usyk at HW.
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I don't see that at all. Hard to imagine Tyson winning a round.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 13:47 I don't see that at all. Hard to imagine Tyson winning a round.
Are you serious ?
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Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 13:47 I don't see that at all. Hard to imagine Tyson winning a round.
The size difference would be a massive problem for Usyk. He'd do well to get close.
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ValMar wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 13:50
Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 13:47 I don't see that at all. Hard to imagine Tyson winning a round.
Are you serious ?
Always, wilder will make that clear with an early ko.
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Rob3_142 wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 14:42
Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 13:47 I don't see that at all. Hard to imagine Tyson winning a round.
The size difference would be a massive problem for Usyk. He'd do well to get close.
Fury is wide open and barely punches. Walk in the park.
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ValMar wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 13:43 I said (and wrote) so many times that Tyson Fury would be the most dangerous opponent for Usyk at HW.
Agree with this.
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dagilechia wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 11:00 stepping up to HW is different than stepping up to any other division
very true. the weight and power differential is massive.
do you think it's a good idea?
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fanman wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 16:49
dagilechia wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 11:00 stepping up to HW is different than stepping up to any other division
very true. the weight and power differential is massive.
do you think it's a good idea?
in my opinion is the only decision he can make. he achieved everything at CW, so there is no goal to stay there. even if he fails at HW at the top level, he's already a HOFer. i think he's capable of beating everyone in this division, i'd favour only AJ over him, i'd favour Usyk over Wilder and Fury. someone like Szpilka survived until 9 with Wilder and did well, so i can see Usyk outpoint, school Wilder and score a wide UD.
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Did anybody else hear him say the moment he has achieved what he did slready at cruiser at heavy, posessing all the belts, he will say goodbye, turn his back and live a happy life without boxing, something like that? Don't know where i saw that or if it was bad translation?
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Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 15:20
Rob3_142 wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 14:42
Onetimeonly wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 13:47 I don't see that at all. Hard to imagine Tyson winning a round.
The size difference would be a massive problem for Usyk. He'd do well to get close.
Fury is wide open and barely punches. Walk in the park.
You tell that to Klitschko.
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He will be competitive at the highest level at HW, but lack the power to win.
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I think Usyk has the skills to systematically dismantle Wilder.

I think Fury is too big and too mobile for Usyk who will be trying to close the range and get inside ... unsuccessfully all night long.

I think Wilder eventually catches and dispatches Fury.

It's basically rock, paper, scissors.
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