Prime Kubrat Pulev would outbox and out-jab any heavyweight today

[Stuarty]

Pulev's jab is very good indeed. And he really can outjab a lot of competitors today. His jab didn't help him against Wlad though. It didn't help at all. It won't either against Joshua and Wilder, where Pulev will be very likely to look good early, until he gets caught and KOed. He won't handle Tyson Fury too. I believe, nobody can outbox The Gypsy King today.

His jab didn't help him against Wladimir Klitschko because Wladimir Klitschko has a very special / unique left hook that none of the other top heavyweights have today. Not Anthony Joshua, not Deontay Wilder and not Tyson Fury. So the idea that his jab won't work against other guys, only because it didn't work against Wladimir Klitschko, is faulty logic. Since those other boxers aren't Wladimir Klitschko and don't have the quality in their left hook that Wlad has.

Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop Johann Duhaupas with flush, loaded up punches for 11 rounds. When a total scrub and a far inferior boxer in Duhaupas can take Wilder's punches without getting dropped, much less KO'ed, then there is no reason why a far superior Pulev also couldn't not only not get knocked out, but go a step further and actually beat Wilder on points (assuming no robberies).

Anthony Joshua failed to even drop Joseph Parker. Let that sink in for a second! The same Parker who was dropped by Dillian Whyte of all people. Kubrat Pulev is superior to Joseph Parker in terms of boxing skills and is at least as durable, if not more durable.

Are you Kubrat's mum?

[candyslim]

[Mexi-Box]

Dude has an elite jab. I was always ranking him high. Klitschko was the p4p killer when he fought Pulev. Pulev was the #2 in the world at the time for a reason. No shame in that loss, and the Fury win does put Pulev back into contention. I was a bit afraid too that he wasted his prime years, but he's still more than enough for the current era of HW's.

Really, I don't think anyone beats him. He outboxes Wilder. I can see Tyson Fury struggling immensely with Pulev. You have to get past that elite jab. He's a long night versus any current HW.

I wish the Pulev/Joshua fight happened.

[candyslim]

Fury is not a noted puncher and for the most part was throwing very slow, wide and looping, telegraphed shots which Pulev was able to block or evade with ease, but at one point in the eighth one right hand from Fury had Pulev hanging on for dear life. He needed the referee to jump in to give him extra recovery time (disgraceful but nobody other than me has even mentioned it) by delivering some kind of lecture. He didn't feel the need to do it at any other time and he didn't feel the need to warn Pulev for his contant grabbing and holding.

How is Pulev likely to fare when he is on the receiving end of the kind of straight right hand counter from AJ that demolished Charles Martin if Fury can do that to him?

If we ever see Pulev in the ring with Joshua I will be very surprised.

[Mexi-Box]

Pulev's jab is very good indeed. And he really can outjab a lot of competitors today. His jab didn't help him against Wlad though. It didn't help at all. It won't either against Joshua and Wilder, where Pulev will be very likely to look good early, until he gets caught and KOed. He won't handle Tyson Fury too. I believe, nobody can outbox The Gypsy King today.

His jab didn't help him against Wladimir Klitschko because Wladimir Klitschko has a very special / unique left hook that none of the other top heavyweights have today. Not Anthony Joshua, not Deontay Wilder and not Tyson Fury. So the idea that his jab won't work against other guys, only because it didn't work against Wladimir Klitschko, is faulty logic. Since those other boxers aren't Wladimir Klitschko and don't have the quality in their left hook that Wlad has.

Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop Johann Duhaupas with flush, loaded up punches for 11 rounds. When a total scrub and a far inferior boxer in Duhaupas can take Wilder's punches without getting dropped, much less KO'ed, then there is no reason why a far superior Pulev also couldn't not only not get knocked out, but go a step further and actually beat Wilder on points (assuming no robberies).

Anthony Joshua failed to even drop Joseph Parker. Let that sink in for a second! The same Parker who was dropped by Dillian Whyte of all people. Kubrat Pulev is superior to Joseph Parker in terms of boxing skills and is at least as durable, if not more durable.

Euhm no, Whyte would smack the hell out of Pulev, it wouldn't even be competative.

What!? Pulev is a horrific style matchup for Whyte. Whyte gets jabbed to death by anyone that has seen both fighters.

[Mexi-Box]

Fury is not a noted puncher and for the most part was throwing very slow, wide and looping, telegraphed shots which Pulev was able to block or evade with ease, but at one point in the eighth one right hand from Fury had Pulev hanging on for dear life. He needed the referee to jump in to give him extra recovery time (disgraceful but nobody other than me has even mentioned it) by delivering some kind of lecture. He didn't feel the need to do it at any other time and he didn't feel the need to warn Pulev for his contant grabbing and holding.

How is Pulev likely to fare when he is on the receiving end of the kind of straight right hand counter from AJ that demolished Charles Martin if Fury can do that to him?

If we ever see Pulev in the ring with Joshua I will be very surprised.

You're comparing Charles Martin to Pulev now? Martin is an absolute joke.

I'd be surprised if we see Pulev in the ring with Joshua too only because Joshua has a line of possible fights at the moment.

[candyslim]

No of course I'm not comparing Pulev and Martin, that's a silly thing to say. I'm simply referring to the kind of straight shot down the pipe that Joshua is very adept at throwing, it's very fast and almost like a reflex response. Pulev is undoubtedly a superior boxer to Martin but on the evidence of the Fury fight his chin isn't as solid as I thought it was.

Pulev is not that difficult to catch if you have good handspeed and can throw powerful straight punches like Joshua can. I think Pulev is well aware of that. He's not scared of AJ but he knows he'd be on to a hiding and as he says himself the money isn't important to him. Maybe I'm wrong about that and he thinks a drubbing from AJ would pay very well and be a welcome boost to his pension pot Time will tell.

Pulev will get his shot if he wants it. The IBF are strict about their mandatories and Joshua is serious about retaining his belts.

[Luis Fernando12]

Pulev's jab is very good indeed. And he really can outjab a lot of competitors today. His jab didn't help him against Wlad though. It didn't help at all. It won't either against Joshua and Wilder, where Pulev will be very likely to look good early, until he gets caught and KOed. He won't handle Tyson Fury too. I believe, nobody can outbox The Gypsy King today.

His jab didn't help him against Wladimir Klitschko because Wladimir Klitschko has a very special / unique left hook that none of the other top heavyweights have today. Not Anthony Joshua, not Deontay Wilder and not Tyson Fury. So the idea that his jab won't work against other guys, only because it didn't work against Wladimir Klitschko, is faulty logic. Since those other boxers aren't Wladimir Klitschko and don't have the quality in their left hook that Wlad has.

Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop Johann Duhaupas with flush, loaded up punches for 11 rounds. When a total scrub and a far inferior boxer in Duhaupas can take Wilder's punches without getting dropped, much less KO'ed, then there is no reason why a far superior Pulev also couldn't not only not get knocked out, but go a step further and actually beat Wilder on points (assuming no robberies).

Anthony Joshua failed to even drop Joseph Parker. Let that sink in for a second! The same Parker who was dropped by Dillian Whyte of all people. Kubrat Pulev is superior to Joseph Parker in terms of boxing skills and is at least as durable, if not more durable.

Euhm no, Whyte would smack the hell out of Pulev, it wouldn't even be competative.

Like how he 'smacked the hell out of' Dereck Chisora? In a fight where he got a gift / questionable decision and went life and death against a guy who was already beaten FAR MORE convincingly at a better stage in his career by Kubrat Pulev? Whyte was on the verge of getting knocked out in the last round by Chisora. Whilst Chisora was rendered totally useless and ineffective against Kubrat Pulev, whilst getting his head jabbed.

Kubrat Pulev > Dillian Whyte.

[Luis Fernando12]

Pulev's jab is very good indeed. And he really can outjab a lot of competitors today. His jab didn't help him against Wlad though. It didn't help at all. It won't either against Joshua and Wilder, where Pulev will be very likely to look good early, until he gets caught and KOed. He won't handle Tyson Fury too. I believe, nobody can outbox The Gypsy King today.

His jab didn't help him against Wladimir Klitschko because Wladimir Klitschko has a very special / unique left hook that none of the other top heavyweights have today. Not Anthony Joshua, not Deontay Wilder and not Tyson Fury. So the idea that his jab won't work against other guys, only because it didn't work against Wladimir Klitschko, is faulty logic. Since those other boxers aren't Wladimir Klitschko and don't have the quality in their left hook that Wlad has.

Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop Johann Duhaupas with flush, loaded up punches for 11 rounds. When a total scrub and a far inferior boxer in Duhaupas can take Wilder's punches without getting dropped, much less KO'ed, then there is no reason why a far superior Pulev also couldn't not only not get knocked out, but go a step further and actually beat Wilder on points (assuming no robberies).

Anthony Joshua failed to even drop Joseph Parker. Let that sink in for a second! The same Parker who was dropped by Dillian Whyte of all people. Kubrat Pulev is superior to Joseph Parker in terms of boxing skills and is at least as durable, if not more durable.

Are you Kubrat's mum?

NO! Are you?

[Luis Fernando12]

Pulev's jab is very good indeed. And he really can outjab a lot of competitors today. His jab didn't help him against Wlad though. It didn't help at all. It won't either against Joshua and Wilder, where Pulev will be very likely to look good early, until he gets caught and KOed. He won't handle Tyson Fury too. I believe, nobody can outbox The Gypsy King today.

His jab didn't help him against Wladimir Klitschko because Wladimir Klitschko has a very special / unique left hook that none of the other top heavyweights have today. Not Anthony Joshua, not Deontay Wilder and not Tyson Fury. So the idea that his jab won't work against other guys, only because it didn't work against Wladimir Klitschko, is faulty logic. Since those other boxers aren't Wladimir Klitschko and don't have the quality in their left hook that Wlad has.

Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop Johann Duhaupas with flush, loaded up punches for 11 rounds. When a total scrub and a far inferior boxer in Duhaupas can take Wilder's punches without getting dropped, much less KO'ed, then there is no reason why a far superior Pulev also couldn't not only not get knocked out, but go a step further and actually beat Wilder on points (assuming no robberies).

Anthony Joshua failed to even drop Joseph Parker. Let that sink in for a second! The same Parker who was dropped by Dillian Whyte of all people. Kubrat Pulev is superior to Joseph Parker in terms of boxing skills and is at least as durable, if not more durable.

Yeah, Klitschko was special. Joshua and Wilder are special too. Of course, that doesn't mean, that they are special in the same way. They have their own tools, which can be effectively used against Pulev's weaknesses, so Pulev is more likely to have early success with his jab, until he gets caught. Pulev himself is special only with the jab, so he won't be able to hide his weaknesses for long.

Pulev hasn't shown a weakness to Joshua's and Wilder's strengths. Joshua failed to even drop Joseph Parker, never mind being able to KO him. Why is it such a foregone conclusion he KO's Pulev, who has PROVEN to be superior to Parker?

Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas after landing flush punches for 11 rounds. Why it such a foregone conclusion that he also KO's Pulev and that somehow Pulev will be unable to last the distance for a win?

[Luis Fernando12]

That's a very good summary in my opinion, although I figure Kownacki and Parker might force him to work a lot harder than Hughie did. Pulev did prove to me he remains relevant and still deserving of a world ranking. At 37 and inactive for 18 months I thought that was by no means a given. Fair play to him though.

Similarly we don't know how far short of his best is Tyson Fury but at his best Pulev wouldn't cope with his movement. By the time Pulev had shuffled into position to let his punches go, Tyson would have been in three different places since then.

Hughie also should have bamboozled him with his mobility, instead of retreating into the corner thereby fighting Pulev's fight. It seemed though he didn't have the energy to stick and move and I wonder if his debillitating super-acne problem isn't as cured as has been suggested?

Pulev neutralized Hughie Fury's movement and stopped him from employing his usual movement. He did this by cutting the ring off time after time. Pulev would do the same to Tyson Fury as well.

And unlike Wladimir Klitschko, Pulev lets his hands go far more and is willing to take risks.

Hughie neutralized his own movement by retreating to the same corner every time when he should have occupied centre ring and kept on his toes. Pulev didn't do anything spectacular just inched forward like the mummy and cut off Fury's retreat from his chosen corner.

Hughie is not known as any kind of puncher but he got through with one of his ponderous looping swings and practically separated Pulev from his senses. But for some timely intervention by the referee, KP would have been in desperate straits.
It doesn't bode well for his chances against a powerful and correct puncher like Joshua, not that I think Pulev wants to fight Joshua.

I sometimes wonder how you select the fighters that you laud to the skies and those that you condemn as being clowns or worse. Sometimes it seems you pick their names out of a hat. Pulev is great and Povetkin is shite according to you, whereas to me they are probably very close in ability now that Pulev seems to be wearing better than Povetkin.

Of sh1t I promised myself I wouldn't engage with you again because logic and common sense to you is like a light jab to Jarrell Miller. Totally ineffective and unlikely to deter for a second a man that's impervious to such weapons, just keeps coming forward and throwing high volume low quality barrages

Inching forward like a 'mummy' is superior to running away like a sissy. Pulev prevented Fury from being able to occupy the center of the ring and from moving around, as he usually does. Due to his FAR superior jab and in & out footwork.

You're argument is flawed! Joseph Parker was badly hurt and stunned against a washed up Carlos Takam at one point. And then later dropped by Dillian Whyte. But somehow managed to absorb everything the 'powerful' and 'correct' puncher Joshua dished out without even seeing the canvas once. But according to your logic,Parker should have been KO'ed by Joshua, but he wasn't. So it works both ways! If Joshua couldn't even drop Parker (who was stunned and dropped by other guys), it isn't a foregone conclusion he at all KO's Pulev.

I never claimed Povetkin was 'shite'. Rather, he was overrated beyond what he deserves. Whilst Pulev is EVIDENTLY very underrated. If Pulev also ever gets overrated through the roof, I'll also be critical of him and bring him down to the rating that he deserves to be rated at.

I called Carlos Takam a 'clown' because he made a mockery out of himself multiple times.

[candyslim]

Pulev neutralized Hughie Fury's movement and stopped him from employing his usual movement. He did this by cutting the ring off time after time. Pulev would do the same to Tyson Fury as well.

And unlike Wladimir Klitschko, Pulev lets his hands go far more and is willing to take risks.

Hughie neutralized his own movement by retreating to the same corner every time when he should have occupied centre ring and kept on his toes. Pulev didn't do anything spectacular just inched forward like the mummy and cut off Fury's retreat from his chosen corner.

Hughie is not known as any kind of puncher but he got through with one of his ponderous looping swings and practically separated Pulev from his senses. But for some timely intervention by the referee, KP would have been in desperate straits.
It doesn't bode well for his chances against a powerful and correct puncher like Joshua, not that I think Pulev wants to fight Joshua.

I sometimes wonder how you select the fighters that you laud to the skies and those that you condemn as being clowns or worse. Sometimes it seems you pick their names out of a hat. Pulev is great and Povetkin is shite according to you, whereas to me they are probably very close in ability now that Pulev seems to be wearing better than Povetkin.

Oh sh1t I promised myself I wouldn't engage with you again because logic and common sense to you is like a light jab to Jarrell Miller. Totally ineffective and unlikely to deter for a second a man that's impervious to such weapons, just keeps coming forward and throwing high volume low quality barrages

Inching forward like a 'mummy' is superior to running away like a sissy.

cs: So Fury is a sissy is he?. I'd like to see you tell him that. I wasn't criticizing Pulev for inching forward like a mummy just poimting out that is what he did, quite effectively as it turned out, but that was mainly due to Hughie not employing his considerable advantage in speed and mobility. Clearly his energy levels were, for whatever reason, desperately lacking but Pulev can't take the credit for that. His pressure was continuous but hardly intense.

Pulev prevented Fury from being able to occupy the center of the ring and from moving around, as he usually does. Due to his FAR superior jab and in & out footwork.

cs: Nonsense. Fury didn't need any encouragement to head for his corner, and Pulev wasn't moving fast enough to drive him there.

You're argument is flawed! Joseph Parker was badly hurt and stunned against a washed up Carlos Takam at one point.

cs: That is a gross exaggeration even by your standards of hyperbole.

And then later dropped by Dillian Whyte. But somehow managed to absorb everything the 'powerful' and 'correct' puncher Joshua dished out without even seeing the canvas once. But according to your logic,Parker should have been KO'ed by Joshua, but he wasn't. So it works both ways! If Joshua couldn't even drop Parker (who was stunned and dropped by other guys), it isn't a foregone conclusion he at all KO's Pulev.

cs: Firstly it doesn't work like that. Manchester United might beat Arsenal and lose to Oldham but that doesn't mean Oldham will beat Arsenal. That's tootball but it is the same in boxing. Can I draw your attention to what I posted with regard to your comment on another thread ...

by candyslim » 30 Oct 2018, 07:58

I think it needs to be remembered that in the period leading up to his fight with Parker, Joshua was talking about being criticized for his stamina and never having gone the full distance. It was clearly on his mind as was the thought that maybe he had been riding his luck with his gung-ho aggression, having been buzzed and wobbled by Whyte, dropped and almost stopped by Klitschko, as well as having made himself vulnerable as a result of emptying his gas-tank.

There can be no doubt surely that he approached Parker in a completely different way. He took no chances, was efficiently effective, some might say boring. It was clearly an experiment which produced mixed results. Whether or not he would have stopped Parker if he'd fought his normal fight is a moot point, but I'm in no doubt that he approached the contest without any concern about stopping his man. He may even have welcomed the loss of his 100% KO record and the pressure that brings.

I think Joshua has decided to bin his robotic take-no-risks experiment because if nothing else, it was starting to affect the fans attitude toward him, and would ultimately have hit him hard in the pocket.

I mention this only because when I read comments like "Joshua couldn't stop Parker" it irritates me because there is absolutely no concession to context. It assumes that his objective was to beat Parker inside the distance and I really don't think that was the case.


I never claimed Povetkin was 'shite'. Rather, he was overrated beyond what he deserves. Whilst Pulev is EVIDENTLY very underrated. If Pulev also ever gets overrated through the roof, I'll also be critical of him and bring him down to the rating that he deserves to be rated at.

cs: You might not have used that word but it's clear from what you've been banging on about for months now that you dont' rate him at all, even comparing him unfavourably to the honest but limited Derreck Chisora,

cs: Pulev has been a good fighter. He has just shown that he remains a good fighter despite his age and inactivity. Let's not go overboard though. He has a very good jab and he's a decent boxer but he would have no more success against Joshua than he had against Klitschko and he knows it even if you don't.

I called Carlos Takam a 'clown' because he made a mockery out of himself multiple times.

cs: Takam is a good heavyweight and a fringe contender. He is now at that age when a fighter can become old overnight. I really don't know what you are talking about "Made a mockery out of himself multiple times" and I strongly suspect you don't either.

[candyslim]

I actually think that's a tough fight to pick. My thought processes for what it's worth ...

1) Pulev is nearly 38 years old, and has been very inactive. He hasn't really beaten an elite fighter, certainly not in their prime ... ever.

2) A conclusive win over Hughie suggests he has still got it, there again there were huge question marks over Hughie's performance especially with regard to his expected advantage in stamina, turning out to be his biggest weakness on the night.

3) Pulev handled Derreck Chisora with ease. Derreck and Dillian are not too dissimilar in attributes. Was Derreck's poor showing down to styles, him having trouble with movers and being much more effective against a Whyte or a Takam who will stand and trade with him, or is it more that Derreck blows hot and cold in terms of motivation? A combination of both perhaps?

4) Could Pulev do to Whyte what he did to Chisora, or has Dillian improved (a lot) since the war with Chisora? His performance against Parker suggests Dill is way better than Del at coping with someone who doesn't always come forward.

5) Pulev's reaction to getting caught by unremarkable puncher, Fury in round eight was quite alarming. I suspect one symptom of his advancing age is a reduction in his punch resistance. Dillian has a much improved left hook which his antipodean victims will confirm is not to be sneered at. Dill is not just a crude slugger and is sure to land it on Pulev's now possibly suspect chin, possibly with devastating results.

6) Hughie did not put Kubrat's 37 year old body to any kind of endurance test. Pulev was able dictate his own pace, one could almost say he was able to coast. I'd expect Whyte to give Kubrat a far more demanding physical examination .

Having put down my thoughts in print I'm beginning to lean much more toward Whyte than I thought before I started.

[jamamb]

hughie shouldnt have been expected to have superior stamina, pulevs engine has always been one of the best at hw and he repeatedly ends late rounds stronger (vs hughie, chis, thompson, dimitrenko, ustinov). being 37 doesnt mean every younger guy now has a better gas tank

i would pick whyte to beat him though, the other points are legit, whytes not as limited as chisora and would be more effective in dealing with a good jabber -holder like pulev. its true whyte had a harder time with chis then pulev did, but i think whyte has some inner brawler in him and got sucked into fighting chis fight when he couldve boxed differently and done better

[DrDuke]

His jab didn't help him against Wladimir Klitschko because Wladimir Klitschko has a very special / unique left hook that none of the other top heavyweights have today. Not Anthony Joshua, not Deontay Wilder and not Tyson Fury. So the idea that his jab won't work against other guys, only because it didn't work against Wladimir Klitschko, is faulty logic. Since those other boxers aren't Wladimir Klitschko and don't have the quality in their left hook that Wlad has.

Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop Johann Duhaupas with flush, loaded up punches for 11 rounds. When a total scrub and a far inferior boxer in Duhaupas can take Wilder's punches without getting dropped, much less KO'ed, then there is no reason why a far superior Pulev also couldn't not only not get knocked out, but go a step further and actually beat Wilder on points (assuming no robberies).

Anthony Joshua failed to even drop Joseph Parker. Let that sink in for a second! The same Parker who was dropped by Dillian Whyte of all people. Kubrat Pulev is superior to Joseph Parker in terms of boxing skills and is at least as durable, if not more durable.

Yeah, Klitschko was special. Joshua and Wilder are special too. Of course, that doesn't mean, that they are special in the same way. They have their own tools, which can be effectively used against Pulev's weaknesses, so Pulev is more likely to have early success with his jab, until he gets caught. Pulev himself is special only with the jab, so he won't be able to hide his weaknesses for long.

Pulev hasn't shown a weakness to Joshua's and Wilder's strengths. Joshua failed to even drop Joseph Parker, never mind being able to KO him. Why is it such a foregone conclusion he KO's Pulev, who has PROVEN to be superior to Parker?

Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas after landing flush punches for 11 rounds. Why it such a foregone conclusion that he also KO's Pulev and that somehow Pulev will be unable to last the distance for a win?

Joshua didn't even tried to KO Parker. And Wilder eventually scored the money punches. Pulev isn't a one to avoid them for all the distance.

[TheBeast]

At the time he prob was in his prime, i thought he displayed a disapointing work rate and was happy with doing mostly lead hand work in route to a decision. Prime Pulev showed he lacked the killer instinct that it takes to make a mark at HW.

[Ilya Muromets]

A lot more respect for Pulev on here now than there was before the fight, like on this thread where some people were saying Pulev might win but only home town robbery...

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[Luis Fernando12]

Yeah, Klitschko was special. Joshua and Wilder are special too. Of course, that doesn't mean, that they are special in the same way. They have their own tools, which can be effectively used against Pulev's weaknesses, so Pulev is more likely to have early success with his jab, until he gets caught. Pulev himself is special only with the jab, so he won't be able to hide his weaknesses for long.

Pulev hasn't shown a weakness to Joshua's and Wilder's strengths. Joshua failed to even drop Joseph Parker, never mind being able to KO him. Why is it such a foregone conclusion he KO's Pulev, who has PROVEN to be superior to Parker?

Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas after landing flush punches for 11 rounds. Why it such a foregone conclusion that he also KO's Pulev and that somehow Pulev will be unable to last the distance for a win?

Joshua didn't even tried to KO Parker. And Wilder eventually scored the money punches. Pulev isn't a one to avoid them for all the distance.

Joshua COULDN'T KO Parker. Even if he tried. He stopped trying because Parker was too durable and too skilled to get KO'ed by Joshua.

And Wilder landed a bunch of windmill punches which did ABSOLUTELY nothing, other than slightly backing up Duhaupas. And the last 2 punches were missing wildly where Duhaupas easily evaded those punches by moving out of the way.

So Wilder couldn't drop, never mind KO Duhaupas after 11 rounds of flush, maximum powered punches. He got a gift referee standing stoppage against Duhaupas in a fight where Duhaupas wasn't even down once.

Do you realize how much superior Pulev is to Duhaupas? If Wilder couldn't even drop Duhaupas, why are you so confident he KO's Pulev (ignoring premature / nonsensical stoppages).

[Luis Fernando12]

Euhm no, Whyte would smack the hell out of Pulev, it wouldn't even be competative.

Like how he 'smacked the hell out of' Dereck Chisora? In a fight where he got a gift / questionable decision and went life and death against a guy who was already beaten FAR MORE convincingly at a better stage in his career by Kubrat Pulev? Whyte was on the verge of getting knocked out in the last round by Chisora. Whilst Chisora was rendered totally useless and ineffective against Kubrat Pulev, whilst getting his head jabbed.

Kubrat Pulev > Dillian Whyte.

Lol, Pulev wouldn't even dare to show up against Whyte lol. He would ask for outragious amounts of money, or offer a lowball offer to Whyte. You know this very well, but go ahead, make the fight happen, Whyte would win easely.

It's the other way round! Whyte was too scared to travel to Bulgaria and instead fought the inferior Joseph Parker in the UK. Whyte backed out of a fight against Pulev, because he wouldn't show up in Bulgaria after Pulev's team LEGITIMATELY won the purse bid. So the only one to be blamed here is Whyte for ducking Pulev.

And Whyte didn't beat Chisora easily. Who Pulev easily out-boxed. Whyte is stylistically similar to Chisora. Whyte gets out-boxed and out-jabbed the way Chisora was by Pulev.

[Luis Fernando12]

Hughie neutralized his own movement by retreating to the same corner every time when he should have occupied centre ring and kept on his toes. Pulev didn't do anything spectacular just inched forward like the mummy and cut off Fury's retreat from his chosen corner.

Hughie is not known as any kind of puncher but he got through with one of his ponderous looping swings and practically separated Pulev from his senses. But for some timely intervention by the referee, KP would have been in desperate straits.
It doesn't bode well for his chances against a powerful and correct puncher like Joshua, not that I think Pulev wants to fight Joshua.

I sometimes wonder how you select the fighters that you laud to the skies and those that you condemn as being clowns or worse. Sometimes it seems you pick their names out of a hat. Pulev is great and Povetkin is shite according to you, whereas to me they are probably very close in ability now that Pulev seems to be wearing better than Povetkin.

Oh sh1t I promised myself I wouldn't engage with you again because logic and common sense to you is like a light jab to Jarrell Miller. Totally ineffective and unlikely to deter for a second a man that's impervious to such weapons, just keeps coming forward and throwing high volume low quality barrages

Inching forward like a 'mummy' is superior to running away like a sissy.

cs: So Fury is a sissy is he?. I'd like to see you tell him that. I wasn't criticizing Pulev for inching forward like a mummy just poimting out that is what he did, quite effectively as it turned out, but that was mainly due to Hughie not employing his considerable advantage in speed and mobility. Clearly his energy levels were, for whatever reason, desperately lacking but Pulev can't take the credit for that. His pressure was continuous but hardly intense.

Pulev prevented Fury from being able to occupy the center of the ring and from moving around, as he usually does. Due to his FAR superior jab and in & out footwork.

cs: Nonsense. Fury didn't need any encouragement to head for his corner, and Pulev wasn't moving fast enough to drive him there.

You're argument is flawed! Joseph Parker was badly hurt and stunned against a washed up Carlos Takam at one point.

cs: That is a gross exaggeration even by your standards of hyperbole.

And then later dropped by Dillian Whyte. But somehow managed to absorb everything the 'powerful' and 'correct' puncher Joshua dished out without even seeing the canvas once. But according to your logic,Parker should have been KO'ed by Joshua, but he wasn't. So it works both ways! If Joshua couldn't even drop Parker (who was stunned and dropped by other guys), it isn't a foregone conclusion he at all KO's Pulev.

cs: Firstly it doesn't work like that. Manchester United might beat Arsenal and lose to Oldham but that doesn't mean Oldham will beat Arsenal. That's tootball but it is the same in boxing. Can I draw your attention to what I posted with regard to your comment on another thread ...

by candyslim » 30 Oct 2018, 07:58

I think it needs to be remembered that in the period leading up to his fight with Parker, Joshua was talking about being criticized for his stamina and never having gone the full distance. It was clearly on his mind as was the thought that maybe he had been riding his luck with his gung-ho aggression, having been buzzed and wobbled by Whyte, dropped and almost stopped by Klitschko, as well as having made himself vulnerable as a result of emptying his gas-tank.

There can be no doubt surely that he approached Parker in a completely different way. He took no chances, was efficiently effective, some might say boring. It was clearly an experiment which produced mixed results. Whether or not he would have stopped Parker if he'd fought his normal fight is a moot point, but I'm in no doubt that he approached the contest without any concern about stopping his man. He may even have welcomed the loss of his 100% KO record and the pressure that brings.

I think Joshua has decided to bin his robotic take-no-risks experiment because if nothing else, it was starting to affect the fans attitude toward him, and would ultimately have hit him hard in the pocket.

I mention this only because when I read comments like "Joshua couldn't stop Parker" it irritates me because there is absolutely no concession to context. It assumes that his objective was to beat Parker inside the distance and I really don't think that was the case.


I never claimed Povetkin was 'shite'. Rather, he was overrated beyond what he deserves. Whilst Pulev is EVIDENTLY very underrated. If Pulev also ever gets overrated through the roof, I'll also be critical of him and bring him down to the rating that he deserves to be rated at.

cs: You might not have used that word but it's clear from what you've been banging on about for months now that you dont' rate him at all, even comparing him unfavourably to the honest but limited Derreck Chisora,

cs: Pulev has been a good fighter. He has just shown that he remains a good fighter despite his age and inactivity. Let's not go overboard though. He has a very good jab and he's a decent boxer but he would have no more success against Joshua than he had against Klitschko and he knows it even if you don't.

I called Carlos Takam a 'clown' because he made a mockery out of himself multiple times.

cs: Takam is a good heavyweight and a fringe contender. He is now at that age when a fighter can become old overnight. I really don't know what you are talking about "Made a mockery out of himself multiple times" and I strongly suspect you don't either.

And I'm not criticizing Hughie Fury for running like a sissy. Just pointing out that's what he did. Ineffectively as it turned out.

Pulev was backing Hughie Fury to the corners with his jab. What the hell are you on about? Pulev's speed was too much for Fury to cope with (I mean effective speed and not wasted movements). Pulev was effortlessly moving in and out of range, making Hughie Fury look wild by making him miss whilst landing his jabs regularly, badly damaging Fury's face in the process.

I know it doesn't work like that. My Point is, there isn't any reason to believe Joshua DEFINITELY KO's Pulev or is very likely to KO Pulev. Since if Parker is capable of lasting 12 rounds against Joshua, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason why Pulev couldn't also not just last the distance, but go a step further in out-boxing Anthony Joshua.

You're speculating. Maybe Joshua couldn't KO Parker, even if he fully tried, due to Parker's movement and boxing skills plus durability. And it's not too far fetched considering he also couldn't cleanly KO Carlos Takam either in his previous outing.

It's very likely that Pulev is also too skilled, too durable and too sound for Joshua being likely to KO him.

And no, Joshua is no Wladimir Klitschko where he is somehow going to repeat what Wlad did. Joshua doesn't have one punch concussive power in his left hook. Never had. I can't see Joshua repeating what Wlad did to Pulev.

[DrDuke]

Joshua COULDN'T KO Parker. Even if he tried. He stopped trying because Parker was too durable and too skilled to get KO'ed by Joshua.

If, even if... If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. He didn't stop trying to KO Parker, cause he hadn't even started it.

And Wilder landed a bunch of windmill punches which did ABSOLUTELY nothing, other than slightly backing up Duhaupas. And the last 2 punches were missing wildly where Duhaupas easily evaded those punches by moving out of the way.

So Wilder couldn't drop, never mind KO Duhaupas after 11 rounds of flush, maximum powered punches. He got a gift referee standing stoppage against Duhaupas in a fight where Duhaupas wasn't even down once.

Do you realize how much superior Pulev is to Duhaupas? If Wilder couldn't even drop Duhaupas, why are you so confident he KO's Pulev (ignoring premature / nonsensical stoppages).

Suddenly he could have wobbled Pulev to score the stoppage too!

[candyslim]

Inching forward like a 'mummy' is superior to running away like a sissy.

cs: So Fury is a sissy is he?. I'd like to see you tell him that. I wasn't criticizing Pulev for inching forward like a mummy just poimting out that is what he did, quite effectively as it turned out, but that was mainly due to Hughie not employing his considerable advantage in speed and mobility. Clearly his energy levels were, for whatever reason, desperately lacking but Pulev can't take the credit for that. His pressure was continuous but hardly intense.

Pulev prevented Fury from being able to occupy the center of the ring and from moving around, as he usually does. Due to his FAR superior jab and in & out footwork.

cs: Nonsense. Fury didn't need any encouragement to head for his corner, and Pulev wasn't moving fast enough to drive him there.

You're argument is flawed! Joseph Parker was badly hurt and stunned against a washed up Carlos Takam at one point.

cs: That is a gross exaggeration even by your standards of hyperbole.

And then later dropped by Dillian Whyte. But somehow managed to absorb everything the 'powerful' and 'correct' puncher Joshua dished out without even seeing the canvas once. But according to your logic,Parker should have been KO'ed by Joshua, but he wasn't. So it works both ways! If Joshua couldn't even drop Parker (who was stunned and dropped by other guys), it isn't a foregone conclusion he at all KO's Pulev.

cs: Firstly it doesn't work like that. Manchester United might beat Arsenal and lose to Oldham but that doesn't mean Oldham will beat Arsenal. That's tootball but it is the same in boxing. Can I draw your attention to what I posted with regard to your comment on another thread ...

by candyslim » 30 Oct 2018, 07:58

I think it needs to be remembered that in the period leading up to his fight with Parker, Joshua was talking about being criticized for his stamina and never having gone the full distance. It was clearly on his mind as was the thought that maybe he had been riding his luck with his gung-ho aggression, having been buzzed and wobbled by Whyte, dropped and almost stopped by Klitschko, as well as having made himself vulnerable as a result of emptying his gas-tank.

There can be no doubt surely that he approached Parker in a completely different way. He took no chances, was efficiently effective, some might say boring. It was clearly an experiment which produced mixed results. Whether or not he would have stopped Parker if he'd fought his normal fight is a moot point, but I'm in no doubt that he approached the contest without any concern about stopping his man. He may even have welcomed the loss of his 100% KO record and the pressure that brings.

I think Joshua has decided to bin his robotic take-no-risks experiment because if nothing else, it was starting to affect the fans attitude toward him, and would ultimately have hit him hard in the pocket.

I mention this only because when I read comments like "Joshua couldn't stop Parker" it irritates me because there is absolutely no concession to context. It assumes that his objective was to beat Parker inside the distance and I really don't think that was the case.


I never claimed Povetkin was 'shite'. Rather, he was overrated beyond what he deserves. Whilst Pulev is EVIDENTLY very underrated. If Pulev also ever gets overrated through the roof, I'll also be critical of him and bring him down to the rating that he deserves to be rated at.

cs: You might not have used that word but it's clear from what you've been banging on about for months now that you dont' rate him at all, even comparing him unfavourably to the honest but limited Derreck Chisora,

cs: Pulev has been a good fighter. He has just shown that he remains a good fighter despite his age and inactivity. Let's not go overboard though. He has a very good jab and he's a decent boxer but he would have no more success against Joshua than he had against Klitschko and he knows it even if you don't.

I called Carlos Takam a 'clown' because he made a mockery out of himself multiple times.

cs: Takam is a good heavyweight and a fringe contender. He is now at that age when a fighter can become old overnight. I really don't know what you are talking about "Made a mockery out of himself multiple times" and I strongly suspect you don't either.

And I'm not criticizing Hughie Fury for running like a sissy. Just pointing out that's what he did. Ineffectively as it turned out.

Pulev was backing Hughie Fury to the corners with his jab. What the hell are you on about? Pulev's speed was too much for Fury to cope with (I mean effective speed and not wasted movements). Pulev was effortlessly moving in and out of range, making Hughie Fury look wild by making him miss whilst landing his jabs regularly, badly damaging Fury's face in the process.

I know it doesn't work like that. My Point is, there isn't any reason to believe Joshua DEFINITELY KO's Pulev or is very likely to KO Pulev. Since if Parker is capable of lasting 12 rounds against Joshua, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason why Pulev couldn't also not just last the distance, but go a step further in out-boxing Anthony Joshua.

You're speculating. Maybe Joshua couldn't KO Parker, even if he fully tried, due to Parker's movement and boxing skills plus durability. And it's not too far fetched considering he also couldn't cleanly KO Carlos Takam either in his previous outing.

It's very likely that Pulev is also too skilled, too durable and too sound for Joshua being likely to KO him.

And no, Joshua is no Wladimir Klitschko where he is somehow going to repeat what Wlad did. Joshua doesn't have one punch concussive power in his left hook. Never had. I can't see Joshua repeating what Wlad did to Pulev.

And I'm not criticizing Hughie Fury for running like a sissy. Just pointing out that's what he did. Ineffectively as it turned out.

cs: In what universe can calling someone “sissy” be described as anything other than an insult? If that’s not criticism I don’t know what is.

Pulev was backing Hughie Fury to the corners with his jab. What the hell are you on about? Pulev's speed was too much for Fury to cope with (I mean effective speed and not wasted movements). Pulev was effortlessly moving in and out of range, making Hughie Fury look wild by making him miss whilst landing his jabs regularly, badly damaging Fury's face in the process.

cs: That wasn’t the fight I was watching. Pulev boxed well but he was inching forward he wasn’t pressing with intensity. Hughie needed no encouragement to head for the corner.
The right tactic would have been to occupy centre ring and use lateral movement to stay within range as Pulev moved forward to contest that space. For that he would have needed to at least match Pulev for energy and for whatever reason this seems to have been beyond him.

I know it doesn't work like that. My Point is, there isn't any reason to believe Joshua DEFINITELY KO's Pulev or is very likely to KO Pulev. Since if Parker is capable of lasting 12 rounds against Joshua, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason why Pulev couldn't also not just last the distance, but go a step further in out-boxing Anthony Joshua.

cs: As I’ve said previously Joshua wasn’t looking to knock Parker out. I believe he was looking for a points decision to show doubters that he could box efficiently and do the full twelve rounds without a whole lot of drama.
Could Joshua have stopped Parker if he was determined to? We can only speculate but Parker was caught with a peach of a left hook from Dillian Whyte and dropped hard, and It isn’t like Joshua is subordinate to Whyte in terms of power, and he has the skills to find Parker’s chin with greater regularity than Dillian could.

You're speculating. Maybe Joshua couldn't KO Parker, even if he fully tried, due to Parker's movement and boxing skills plus durability. And it's not too far fetched considering he also couldn't cleanly KO Carlos Takam either in his previous outing.

cs: Of course I’m speculating. That’s what we do on a forum. Maybe he couldn’t have stopped Parker had he been trying (please note this is the third time I have conceded that point) but maybe he could. Takam fought very well but the premature stoppage deprived both fighters the chance of a conclusive knockout win. Of course I believe it would have been AJ who prevailed, but Takam was arguably looking the fresher at that point, possibly on account of being able to utilize his nose for the purposes of breathing.

It's very likely that Pulev is also too skilled, too durable and too sound for Joshua being likely to KO him.

cs: Did you see that eighth round where “sissy” (sic) Fury scrambled Pulev’s senses with one of his agricultural right hands? Fury who is generally regarded as a non-puncher?
How do you possibly arrive at the conclusion that a man who only fights quality opposition and has stopped all of them except one, could not achieve what a sissy could? The referee would have had to work a hell of a lot harder to prevent Joshua from knocking him out that he had to in order to prevent Fury.

And no, Joshua is no Wladimir Klitschko where he is somehow going to repeat what Wlad did. Joshua doesn't have one punch concussive power in his left hook. Never had. I can't see Joshua repeating what Wlad did to Pulev.

Cs: I’m not going to argue that Joshua has the one-punch power that Klitschko had but he doesn’t need to have. He hits very hard and throws punches in bunches. So far only Parker has survived the distance against him and that was arguably by Joshua’s leave.
I don’t think many would disagree with me when I say that Joshua would destroy the 2018/19 Pulev probably before the halfway point.

[Luis Fernando12]

And I'm not criticizing Hughie Fury for running like a sissy. Just pointing out that's what he did. Ineffectively as it turned out.

Pulev was backing Hughie Fury to the corners with his jab. What the hell are you on about? Pulev's speed was too much for Fury to cope with (I mean effective speed and not wasted movements). Pulev was effortlessly moving in and out of range, making Hughie Fury look wild by making him miss whilst landing his jabs regularly, badly damaging Fury's face in the process.

I know it doesn't work like that. My Point is, there isn't any reason to believe Joshua DEFINITELY KO's Pulev or is very likely to KO Pulev. Since if Parker is capable of lasting 12 rounds against Joshua, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason why Pulev couldn't also not just last the distance, but go a step further in out-boxing Anthony Joshua.

You're speculating. Maybe Joshua couldn't KO Parker, even if he fully tried, due to Parker's movement and boxing skills plus durability. And it's not too far fetched considering he also couldn't cleanly KO Carlos Takam either in his previous outing.

It's very likely that Pulev is also too skilled, too durable and too sound for Joshua being likely to KO him.

And no, Joshua is no Wladimir Klitschko where he is somehow going to repeat what Wlad did. Joshua doesn't have one punch concussive power in his left hook. Never had. I can't see Joshua repeating what Wlad did to Pulev.

And I'm not criticizing Hughie Fury for running like a sissy. Just pointing out that's what he did. Ineffectively as it turned out.

cs: In what universe can calling someone “sissy” be described as anything other than an insult? If that’s not criticism I don’t know what is.

Pulev was backing Hughie Fury to the corners with his jab. What the hell are you on about? Pulev's speed was too much for Fury to cope with (I mean effective speed and not wasted movements). Pulev was effortlessly moving in and out of range, making Hughie Fury look wild by making him miss whilst landing his jabs regularly, badly damaging Fury's face in the process.

cs: That wasn’t the fight I was watching. Pulev boxed well but he was inching forward he wasn’t pressing with intensity. Hughie needed no encouragement to head for the corner.
The right tactic would have been to occupy centre ring and use lateral movement to stay within range as Pulev moved forward to contest that space. For that he would have needed to at least match Pulev for energy and for whatever reason this seems to have been beyond him.

I know it doesn't work like that. My Point is, there isn't any reason to believe Joshua DEFINITELY KO's Pulev or is very likely to KO Pulev. Since if Parker is capable of lasting 12 rounds against Joshua, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason why Pulev couldn't also not just last the distance, but go a step further in out-boxing Anthony Joshua.

cs: As I’ve said previously Joshua wasn’t looking to knock Parker out. I believe he was looking for a points decision to show doubters that he could box efficiently and do the full twelve rounds without a whole lot of drama.
Could Joshua have stopped Parker if he was determined to? We can only speculate but Parker was caught with a peach of a left hook from Dillian Whyte and dropped hard, and It isn’t like Joshua is subordinate to Whyte in terms of power, and he has the skills to find Parker’s chin with greater regularity than Dillian could.

You're speculating. Maybe Joshua couldn't KO Parker, even if he fully tried, due to Parker's movement and boxing skills plus durability. And it's not too far fetched considering he also couldn't cleanly KO Carlos Takam either in his previous outing.

cs: Of course I’m speculating. That’s what we do on a forum. Maybe he couldn’t have stopped Parker had he been trying (please note this is the third time I have conceded that point) but maybe he could. Takam fought very well but the premature stoppage deprived both fighters the chance of a conclusive knockout win. Of course I believe it would have been AJ who prevailed, but Takam was arguably looking the fresher at that point, possibly on account of being able to utilize his nose for the purposes of breathing.

It's very likely that Pulev is also too skilled, too durable and too sound for Joshua being likely to KO him.

cs: Did you see that eighth round where “sissy” (sic) Fury scrambled Pulev’s senses with one of his agricultural right hands? Fury who is generally regarded as a non-puncher?
How do you possibly arrive at the conclusion that a man who only fights quality opposition and has stopped all of them except one, could not achieve what a sissy could? The referee would have had to work a hell of a lot harder to prevent Joshua from knocking him out that he had to in order to prevent Fury.

And no, Joshua is no Wladimir Klitschko where he is somehow going to repeat what Wlad did. Joshua doesn't have one punch concussive power in his left hook. Never had. I can't see Joshua repeating what Wlad did to Pulev.

Cs: I’m not going to argue that Joshua has the one-punch power that Klitschko had but he doesn’t need to have. He hits very hard and throws punches in bunches. So far only Parker has survived the distance against him and that was arguably by Joshua’s leave.
I don’t think many would disagree with me when I say that Joshua would destroy the 2018/19 Pulev probably before the halfway point.

And in other universes, calling someone a mummy is also an insult. You don't get to pick and choose what an insult is and what isn't, based on your subjective criteria.

Pulev was using his jab to force Fury wherever he wanted. Fury has NEVER faced anybody with a jab, that is as good as Pulev's. FACTS! Have you ever considered the possibility that Pulev PREVENTED Fury from occupying the center of the ring, due to his superior ring generalship?

That power jab of Pulev, made Fury tentative. Just like the punching power of a boxer, can force an opponent to be more hesitant in taking risks. Pulev cut the ring off and cut off escape routes, preventing Pulev from using his typical lateral movement. Whilst that jab was always occupying Fury, preventing him from getting anything off.

Joshua landed plenty of flush uppercuts on Parker, and couldn't drop him. I don't buy this myth that Joshua wasn't trying to KO Parker. I don't think he was able to, due to Parker's movement, defense, elusiveness and durability (which aren't proven to be better than Pulev's).

Dillian Whyte dropped Parker with a left hook? OKAY! But Chisora knocked out Takam fair and square whilst Joshua couldn't. I think we now have enough evidence that suggests Joshua's power has been exposed to be overrated and not as good as many of his fans seemed to initially think.

I' really don't think Joshua is really as skilled as you think he is. Or as powerful! Whyte dropping Parker, doesn't prove Joshua would've done the same if he somehow tried harder.

I also saw Dereck Chisora dropping and stopping Carlos Takam with fewer punches than AJ. Whilst AJ, despite landing far more punches, didn't come close to conclusively knocking out Takam.

So Hughie Fury, supposedly 'scrambling' Pulev's senses, doesn't prove anything to me. At least if Fury were to KO, or even drop Pulev, then it may have proved something. Pulev took Wladimir Klitschko's right hands without dropping (who I believe you think hits a lot harder than Hughie Fury). It was Wlad's left hooks that he couldn't handle. So Pulev has never shown a weakness to right hands. And Joshua lacks Wladimir Klitschko's left hooks.

Could Joshua hurt / stun Pulev? Sure! Do I think Joshua is likely to KO Pulev before he reaches age 39? Absolutely not! There's a huge difference between merely hurting somebody and KO'ing them.

Joshua has stopped only one top 'quality' prime opponent that wasn't old or washed up. That was Dillian Whyte! He failed to KO Joseph Parker (his only other prime top opponent). Both Wladimir Klitschko and Alexander Poveetkin were shot to pieces around age 40. And Joshua failed to legitimately stop Takam.

Pulev may very well be shot too, by the time he faces Joshua. However, he is still 37 and at least before the end of 2019 , I would predict he would still have it in him.

[Luis Fernando12]

Lol, Pulev wouldn't even dare to show up against Whyte lol. He would ask for outragious amounts of money, or offer a lowball offer to Whyte. You know this very well, but go ahead, make the fight happen, Whyte would win easely.

It's the other way round! Whyte was too scared to travel to Bulgaria and instead fought the inferior Joseph Parker in the UK. Whyte backed out of a fight against Pulev, because he wouldn't show up in Bulgaria after Pulev's team LEGITIMATELY won the purse bid. So the only one to be blamed here is Whyte for ducking Pulev.

And Whyte didn't beat Chisora easily. Who Pulev easily out-boxed. Whyte is stylistically similar to Chisora. Whyte gets out-boxed and out-jabbed the way Chisora was by Pulev.

What would you do if Parker offers you 2 or 3 times as much money and made a much more competative fight?
Parker already won against Hughie as well btw.

Parker BARELY beat Hughie Fury. Whilst Pulev dominated Fury from start to finish, and won by a much wider margin.

Face it! You're the one who stated Pulev avoided Whyte. When it's the other way round. Since Whyte was the one who refused to travel to Bulgaria. I don't care about money excuses. When team Pulev won the purse bid and forced the fight in Bulgaria, Whyte avoided and ducked. These are FACTS!

[Luis Fernando12]

Joshua COULDN'T KO Parker. Even if he tried. He stopped trying because Parker was too durable and too skilled to get KO'ed by Joshua.

If, even if... If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. He didn't stop trying to KO Parker, cause he hadn't even started it.

And Wilder landed a bunch of windmill punches which did ABSOLUTELY nothing, other than slightly backing up Duhaupas. And the last 2 punches were missing wildly where Duhaupas easily evaded those punches by moving out of the way.

So Wilder couldn't drop, never mind KO Duhaupas after 11 rounds of flush, maximum powered punches. He got a gift referee standing stoppage against Duhaupas in a fight where Duhaupas wasn't even down once.

Do you realize how much superior Pulev is to Duhaupas? If Wilder couldn't even drop Duhaupas, why are you so confident he KO's Pulev (ignoring premature / nonsensical stoppages).

Suddenly he could have wobbled Pulev to score the stoppage too!

Actually, Joshua did try to stop Parker. He simply couldn't! He tried and failed! That's all there is to it! Just like he is mostly not going to stop Pulev either. Joshua landed flush uppercuts after flush uppercuts (even illegal ones where he was holding Parker before hitting him) and still couldn't even put a dent in Parker. That's not a sign of someone not trying to stop their opponent.

Sure, Wilder could've gotten a nonsensical referee stoppage and have beaten Pulev. My point was, in a fair fight without anything shady, Pulev would beat Wilder via decision and would most likely not get knocked out.