Jarrell Miller vs. Bogdan Dinu - November 17, 2018

[joshj909]

I read an article today, which contained an interview transcript with Manuel Charr, with the ‘regular’ champ claiming that he didn’t knowingly consume anything that would have triggered the detection of two banned substances from his failed A-sample test (performed on the 24th August).

He was tested again on the 29th September by VADA, independently arranged through his own lawyers, and they confirmed that no doping could be proven from those tests.

So what was the outcome of Charr's B-sample (performed on the 24th August)? If it was clean, then Manuel Charr championship status wouldn’t still be deemed as being “under review”.

I'm not arguing with you (I believe what you've said to be true), I am simply trying to understand the current status of this highly-confusing situation.

No worries, so from what i have gathered:
Because his representatives were wrongly not allowed to attend the opening of the B sample, they believe that the sample should become void and because the B sample can neither prove his guilt nor his innocence that he should not be suspended. This has happened before in other sports and the suspensions have been withdrawn.

I'm making the assumption that the B sample would've also tested positive as there would be no need to make this claim through lawyers if that was not the case.

And the consequences of this and the Miller/Dinu fight, it would be pretty stupid to put Miller/Dinu up for the title when Charr could have a court overturn the suspension and leave us with another Oquendo situation. However, this has not stopped the WBA before.

Just read this, is this what you were looking at?
https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/11 ... s-oquendo/

[Ruthless-RKO]

I honestly don't know what to believe, but there roughly a dozen or so articles claiming that Jarrell "Big Baby" Miller's bout against Bogdan Dinu is for the vacant WBA “regular” title, with Manuel Charr about to be stripped of this belt. And here are a couple of them:

The most recent articles from the past week or so, mostly in german, suggest it won't be but who knows. It's the WBA after all...

I read an article today, which contained an interview transcript with Manuel Charr, with the ‘regular’ champ claiming that he didn’t knowingly consume anything that would have triggered the detection of two banned substances from his failed A-sample test (performed on the 24th August).

He was tested again on the 29th September by VADA, independently arranged through his own lawyers, and they confirmed that no doping could be proven from those tests.

So what was the outcome of Charr's B-sample (performed on the 24th August)? If it was clean, then Manuel Charr championship status wouldn’t still be deemed as being “under review”.

I'm not arguing with you (I believe what you've said to be true), I am simply trying to understand the current status of this highly-confusing situation.

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/11 ... s-oquendo/

Charr will fight Oquendo in 2019.

[Enlightened-One]

I read an article today, which contained an interview transcript with Manuel Charr, with the ‘regular’ champ claiming that he didn’t knowingly consume anything that would have triggered the detection of two banned substances from his failed A-sample test (performed on the 24th August).

He was tested again on the 29th September by VADA, independently arranged through his own lawyers, and they confirmed that no doping could be proven from those tests.

So what was the outcome of Charr's B-sample (performed on the 24th August)? If it was clean, then Manuel Charr championship status wouldn’t still be deemed as being “under review”.

I'm not arguing with you (I believe what you've said to be true), I am simply trying to understand the current status of this highly-confusing situation.

No worries, so from what i have gathered:
Because his representatives were wrongly not allowed to attend the opening of the B sample, they believe that the sample should become void and because the B sample can neither prove his guilt nor his innocence that he should not be suspended. This has happened before in other sports and the suspensions have been withdrawn.

I'm making the assumption that the B sample would've also tested positive as there would be no need to make this claim through lawyers if that was not the case.

And the consequences of this and the Miller/Dinu fight, it would be pretty stupid to put Miller/Dinu up for the title when Charr could have a court overturn the suspension and leave us with another Oquendo situation. However, this has not stopped the WBA before.

Just read this, is this what you were looking at?
https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/11 ... s-oquendo/

Thanks for that explanation! I agree with you, it's a bit dodgy for Manuel Charr's lawyers to cite a procedural error as their sole justification for the “regular” WBA champ to escape punishment, rather than allowing the results of the B-sample tests to be disclosed and become their basis of their appeal.

The thing is, the WBA isn’t the IJF, the ICJ or any other third-party governing bodies cited as the precedents by Charr’s lawyers, so I guess you’re right. The WBA will handle this situation however they deem fit, based on their own lawyers’ advice on potential legal liability, regardless of how other organisations have handled similar situations in the past.

The WBA doesn’t always “do the right thing”, so who knows how this situation will actually play out?

[candyslim]

I'm more interested in this than Miller's other recent conquests. We knew the outcome of them in advance whereas Bogdan Dinu is at least an unknown quantity. He could be another Arnold Gjergjaj or he might actually be able to fight. I've been waiting for him to step up for ages but taking on Miller does seem absurdly ambitious when you consider the level of fighters he's faced so far.

I fully expect Miller to crush him but there is at least the possibility of a competitive contest, slim though it may be.

I like Jarrell Miller but he's really putting that to the test when he accuses other heavyweights of ducking people. This from the man who has ducked Whyte, Pulev, and Joyce in favour of taking the low road WBA booby-prize title. I understand his reasoning - Whyte is unnecessarily risky, Joyce isn't going to enhance JM's reputation, win or lose, being a 'six fight novice', and Pulev wasn't going to be much of a payday but a win would have made him mandatory for Joshua.

I'd give you a pass big-man but STFU about people like Whyte being a ducker. The stench of your hypocracy is overwhelming.

[Enlightened-One]

As per previous and very recent reports, it now seems increasingly likely that Jarrell "Big Baby" Miller's bout against Bogdan Dinu is for the vacant WBA “regular” world heavyweight championship, because Manuel Charr has just been suspended and it's highly-probable that he'll also be stripped of his title later on this week:

"WBA suspends heavyweight champ Manuel Charr"

The WBA Championships Committee has suspended WBA “regular” heavyweight champion Manuel Charr on the basis of his positive drug results…although we are aware of a disagreement between Mr. Charr’s representatives and VADA regarding notice to Charr of the date and place for the opening and testing of the second drug sample, that test result confirmed the positive result of the first sample test.

Thus the WBA Championships Committee has decided the following:

A. Suspend Manuel Charr for a period of SIX (6) months.

B. Order Manuel Charr to take regular anti-doping tests with VADA.

Any party may request reconsideration of this resolution pursuant to WBA Rule F.5.

In addition to the above article, ESPN’s Dan Rafael has also posted the following Tweet clarifying the situation:


The above article and tweet were only published a few hours ago.

Thoughts?

[Lackeos]

I think this is fine. Miller has done way more than enough to earn a title shot, and everything from here until he gets his shot is just extra credit. Beating an unproven, undefeated contendo-prospect is just another feather in his cap, sort of on-par with Chisora's wins over Gerber and Pala, or Povetkin's win against Wawrzyk. Of course, I wouldn't pay money to see it, and if this was a defense of a world championship belt, it'd be pretty disappointing. But Miller doesn't even have a belt, and doesn't have to match himself as though he does.

His competition for title shots is also rapidly thinning, as Ortiz catches a loss, Povetkin catches a loss, Parker catches a loss, Wilder or Fury will lose soon, and Chisora or Whyte will lose soon. The only legitimate contenders still queued-up for a title shot soon are Miller, Pulev, the Chisora - Whyte winner, and Kownacki.

Also, this fight is 1 month and 11 days after his previous fight. That's legit. If you don't even have a belt and you're fighting top 65 opponents once a month, that's pretty solid. If he was fighting this level of competition once a year, it'd be a tragic waste.

[joshj909]

As per previous and very recent reports, it now seems increasingly likely that Jarrell "Big Baby" Miller's bout against Bogdan Dinu is for the vacant WBA “regular” world heavyweight championship, because Manuel Charr has just been suspended and it's highly-probable that he'll also be stripped of his title later on this week:

"WBA suspends heavyweight champ Manuel Charr"

The WBA Championships Committee has suspended WBA “regular” heavyweight champion Manuel Charr on the basis of his positive drug results…although we are aware of a disagreement between Mr. Charr’s representatives and VADA regarding notice to Charr of the date and place for the opening and testing of the second drug sample, that test result confirmed the positive result of the first sample test.

Thus the WBA Championships Committee has decided the following:

A. Suspend Manuel Charr for a period of SIX (6) months.

B. Order Manuel Charr to take regular anti-doping tests with VADA.

Any party may request reconsideration of this resolution pursuant to WBA Rule F.5.

In addition to the above article, ESPN’s Dan Rafael has also posted the following Tweet clarifying the situation:


The above article and tweet were only published a few hours ago.

Thoughts?

Seems like some clarity at last. In that case I think Charr's going to get his court mandated title-shot in 2021 after Oquendo. Then Jennings can get his court mandated title-shot after that.

[Enlightened-One]

As per previous and very recent reports, it now seems increasingly likely that Jarrell "Big Baby" Miller's bout against Bogdan Dinu is for the vacant WBA “regular” world heavyweight championship, because Manuel Charr has just been suspended and it's highly-probable that he'll also be stripped of his title later on this week:

"WBA suspends heavyweight champ Manuel Charr"

The WBA Championships Committee has suspended WBA “regular” heavyweight champion Manuel Charr on the basis of his positive drug results…although we are aware of a disagreement between Mr. Charr’s representatives and VADA regarding notice to Charr of the date and place for the opening and testing of the second drug sample, that test result confirmed the positive result of the first sample test.

Thus the WBA Championships Committee has decided the following:

A. Suspend Manuel Charr for a period of SIX (6) months.

B. Order Manuel Charr to take regular anti-doping tests with VADA.

Any party may request reconsideration of this resolution pursuant to WBA Rule F.5.

In addition to the above article, ESPN’s Dan Rafael has also posted the following Tweet clarifying the situation:


The above article and tweet were only published a few hours ago.

Thoughts?

Seems like some clarity at last. In that case I think Charr's going to get his court mandated title-shot in 2021 after Oquendo. Then Jennings can get his court mandated title-shot after that.

Yeah, you’re probably right. At least it’s only the “regular” version of the WBA world heavyweight title.

I’m beginning to understand the reason why the WBA have so many different versions of the world title, because they may be used to compensate disgruntled fighters in order to avoid lawsuits… or to allow PPV fighters to engage in mismatches, whilst wrongly claiming that they’re legitimate “world champions”.

These extra belts are basically a political tool that allows the WBA to collect extra sanctioning fees.

[joshj909]

Yeah, you’re probably right. At least it’s only the “regular” version of the WBA world heavyweight title.

I’m beginning to understand the reason why the WBA have so many different versions of the world title, because they may be used to compensate disgruntled fighters in order to avoid lawsuits… or to allow PPV fighters to engage in mismatches, whilst wrongly claiming that they’re legitimate “world champions”.

These extra belts are basically a political tool that allows the WBA to collect extra sanctioning fees.

Sanctioning fees and making up for promises they couldn't keep to promoters i imagine.

If Miller can clean up the WBA regular situation in the next year i wouldn't be bothered about him beating unproven or non-threatening fighters. Beating Bryan, Oquendo, and maybe even Charr before his shot at AJ which will probably be in the second half of next year then that would be great.

Hearn should've put Whyte up against Jennings for the WBO eliminator instead of against Chisora and he could've solved that problem with a very respectable fight.

[TooMuch]

What a crazy time we live in. World Heavyweight title shots are won in the court, not in the ring

[Ruthless-RKO]

Finally!! Some real confirmation!!

WBA Won't Strip Charr; Miller-Dinu Unlikely To Be Title Fight

The WBA has informed Manuel Charr that it has voted to suspend him for six months for failing performance-enhancing drug tests in September.

However, Pat English, Charr’s attorney, told BS.com on Wednesday that the WBA indicated during a conference call Wednesday morning that it will not strip Charr of its world heavyweight title. Assuming Charr keeps that championship, the WBA won’t be able to sanction Jarrell Miller-Bogdan Dinu as a fight for that title Saturday night in Mulvane, Kansas (DAZN).

An undisclosed issue related to the testing process has prevented the WBA from stripping Charr. He is one of three heavyweight champions crowned by the WBA, which also recognizes “super” champion Anthony Joshua and interim champion Trevor Bryan.

[jamamb]

lol this wba regular title is just a circus aint it

[candyslim]

It's a bullshit trinket and Miller demeans himself by involving himself in its pursuit. I think I rate his qualities higher than he does. He'd have steamrolled Pulev and set himself up for a mandatory shot at AJ but no, he wants to fight Manuel Charr or as it turns out, Bogdan Dinu.

You're bigger than that Jarrell (I was going to say 'better' but that seems more apt )

[joshj909]

It's a bullshit trinket and Miller demeans himself by involving himself in its pursuit. I think I rate his qualities higher than he does. He'd have steamrolled Pulev and set himself up for a mandatory shot at AJ but no, he wants to fight Manuel Charr or as it turns out, Bogdan Dinu.

You're bigger than that Jarrell (I was going to say 'better' but that seems more apt )

From what he's shown against the opposition he's faced, I think Pulev would school him

[Enlightened-One]

Finally!! Some real confirmation!!

WBA Won't Strip Charr; Miller-Dinu Unlikely To Be Title Fight

The WBA has informed Manuel Charr that it has voted to suspend him for six months for failing performance-enhancing drug tests in September.

However, Pat English, Charr’s attorney, told BS.com on Wednesday that the WBA indicated during a conference call Wednesday morning that it will not strip Charr of its world heavyweight title. Assuming Charr keeps that championship, the WBA won’t be able to sanction Jarrell Miller-Bogdan Dinu as a fight for that title Saturday night in Mulvane, Kansas (DAZN).

An undisclosed issue related to the testing process has prevented the WBA from stripping Charr. He is one of three heavyweight champions crowned by the WBA, which also recognizes “super” champion Anthony Joshua and interim champion Trevor Bryan.

The problem we have is that Charr’s American lawyer, Patrick English, originally announced to the media that the results of Manuel’s doping tests are null and void, but the WBA suspended him anyway.

The very same man is now claiming that the WBA “indicated” that they won’t be stripping Charr of his world heavyweight title.

How can the WBA suspend a fighter for his adverse VADA test results, but still allow him to retain ownership of their secondary belt? He’s either guilty or he isn’t in my mind.

If Charr is innocent, then surely he keeps his belt and remains sanctioned by the WBA. Otherwise, he’s guilty, which results in him being suspended coupled with the loss of his title. Isn’t that the way things "should" work?

I’m not questioning Patrick English’s integrity, as the WBA may subsequently publish an official announcement confirming his claims, but I’m not 100% sure if this is proper confirmation of Gilberto Mendoza’s final decision on the situation.

[Enlightened-One]

Jarrell 'Big Baby' Miller has just mentioned to Sky Sports that if the 'Big Baby' manages to defeat Bogdan Dinu, then Jarrell Miller could be in line to face the loser of the bout between Whyte-Chisora.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Jarrell 'Big Baby' Miller has just mentioned to Sky Sports that if the 'Big Baby' manages to defeat Bogdan Dinu, then Jarrell Miller could be in line to face the loser of the bout between Whyte-Chisora.

Hearn has also said that this morning.

So the winner, most likely if it’s Whyte will go on to fight AJ in April and the loser will fight Miller.

[tiny_acres]

Jarrell 'Big Baby' Miller has just mentioned to Sky Sports that if the 'Big Baby' manages to defeat Bogdan Dinu, then Jarrell Miller could be in line to face the loser of the bout between Whyte-Chisora.

Hearn has also said that this morning.

So the winner, most likely if it’s Whyte will go on to fight AJ in April and the loser will fight Miller.

Every time Hearn opens his mouth he proves he had no intention of having AJ face the winner of Fury-Wilder

[Ruthless-RKO]

[joshj909]

I don't see him facing Whyte/Chisora loser next. He's been on the easiest path to the WBA Regular hoping to get an AJ payday and won't risk that at all. His next fights, other than against someone who is a step down without a title will be one of the WBA Regular bunch Charr, Oquendo or Bryan.

[Pukka Cheese]

"If i lived in a perfect world i would fight Char, Fres, Bryan... All 3 of them in 3 months"

Id be pretty happy if Miller can clean up that WBA shite and get a big fight against someone like Whyte booked in for the second half of next year.

[Enlightened-One]

Finally!! Some real confirmation!!

WBA Won't Strip Charr; Miller-Dinu Unlikely To Be Title Fight

The WBA has informed Manuel Charr that it has voted to suspend him for six months for failing performance-enhancing drug tests in September.

However, Pat English, Charr’s attorney, told BS.com on Wednesday that the WBA indicated during a conference call Wednesday morning that it will not strip Charr of its world heavyweight title. Assuming Charr keeps that championship, the WBA won’t be able to sanction Jarrell Miller-Bogdan Dinu as a fight for that title Saturday night in Mulvane, Kansas (DAZN).

An undisclosed issue related to the testing process has prevented the WBA from stripping Charr. He is one of three heavyweight champions crowned by the WBA, which also recognizes “super” champion Anthony Joshua and interim champion Trevor Bryan.

According to Rule C.45 in the WBA, "No boxer who has tested positive for prohibited substances can be rated, retain a title, or be permitted to fight in a sanctioned bout for a period of no less than six (6) months from the date of the positive test. Only the official testing authorized or directed by the Association or local commission shall be considered. No independent or after-the-fact testing will be considered."

Therefore, doesn't this surely mean that Charr’s American lawyer, Patrick English, is talking utter bÕllÕcks or is the WBA simply ignoring their own rules?

[KiwiRider]

I don't see him facing Whyte/Chisora loser next. He's been on the easiest path to the WBA Regular hoping to get an AJ payday and won't risk that at all. His next fights, other than against someone who is a step down without a title will be one of the WBA Regular bunch Charr, Oquendo or Bryan.

I think Eddie believes Whyte will beat Del Boy, fair enough. Then Del will fight Miller on the AJ Whyte undercard most likely. It's not a bad fight - Del Vs Miller, their styles would mesh reasonably well.

[KiwiRider]

I was hoping someone would shed some light on how good Dinu is.
Never mind, I spent 30 mins checking out his available fights against very limited opposition.
It's bad. Worse than I expected.
He does seem to have the basics covered, and reasonable hand speed.
But stands upright with minimal head movemt and looks as easy to hit as a hard bag that is teathered to the floor and ceiling.
He also hasn't fought for nearly a year, and his last fight was against a tomato can. From his last few years I don't see anyone that may have tested his chin either.
Eddie saying he was used 3 times as sparring fodder for AJ and he is decent - promo bollocks. He was probably decent as a hard bag that is teathered from the floor and the ceiling.
So imagine a guy that would make Gerard Washington look good.

[dickbelden]

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